Another 6.0 dusted engine

[JWadford]

I finally got to tow the old mans dually 6. 0 powerstroke home, engine is locked up and i cant stop laughing, usually it is the other way around... im headed over to start pulling the engine :-laf

 

[JBallou]

Usually it is easier on those to remove the cab, lift it up and then you have full access to the engine. I don't think that the engine will fit up and out the compartment without removing tons of stuff more than needed.

With the cab off you don't have to lean into the engine bay, save the back for doing more engine replacements:>

 

[HBarlow]

I have so many trashed 6. 0 stories to tell I've forgotten some of them.

And some owners are still pretending they're good engines and angrily defending them when someone like me laughs at them.

 

[Grizzly]

Why do die hard furd people keep buying those worthless powerjokes? The 6. 4 hasn't proved to be much better and now furd's going to produce their own diesel? Good luck!

 

[Tinman]

Just think how good Ford would be doing financially if it weren't for the 6. 0h-no. If they put a real diesel in their trucks, GM would have tanked a long time ago. :-laf

 

[Grizzly]

Just think how good Ford would be doing financially if it weren't for the 6. 0h-no. If they put a real diesel in their trucks, GM would have tanked a long time ago. :-laf

Besides the miserable experience Furd has had with powerjokes engines, they have had, many other break down problems with other components. Far more then Dodge and GM.



My brother-in-law has had 4, F250 gasser's and now an 08 F350 powerjoke. All his trucks seem to spend more time at the furd dealer getting engine and every thing else fixed. He has had many issues with the new powerjoke, yet he won't consider buying anything else. Furd Die Hards!

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Just for a bit of insight - reality check...



THIS thread is a sterling example of the double standard some TDR members display where discussion of competing vehicle brands are concerned - here we see absolutely NO concern over bashing Ford - yet, in another similar thread, great wailing and offense taken when a member has the AUDACITY to make favorable comments on a brand other than Dodge...



Ya can't have it BOTH ways guys - either lay off the brand-bashing, or else grant a little leeway for guys who have had GOOD experiences with other brands over the years, and choose to talk about them...



This is obviously a DODGE board - but MANY of us also have OTHER brand vehicles in our garages, or have had them in past years with what we consider good results - none may be perfect, INCLUDING our Dodges - but few of them are total failures, either - so how about a little sensitivity and common sense where other brands are concerned? I'm VERY proud of my '02 truck - but JUST as happy with my wife's '05 Ford Escape - yeah, I come HERE for Dodge info - and would go to a Ford board for detailed info on her Ford - but does that automatically mean I must be totally SILENT about her Ford - or else meekly accept a roasting if I *dare* mention it and it's general quality here on this board?



Get a grip guys! :-laf

 

[AClayton]

T-Totally agree with this post!!!



Alan

 

[JWadford]

after working on this truck pulling the engine out, i will never own a powerstroke diesel and i think i got the old man talked into a cummins powered truck for the next go around, although he does like the new d-max

 

[HBarlow]

Just for a bit of insight - reality check...

THIS thread is a sterling example of the double standard some TDR members display where discussion of competing vehicle brands are concerned - here we see absolutely NO concern over bashing Ford - yet, in another similar thread, great wailing and offense taken when a member has the AUDACITY to make favorable comments on a brand other than Dodge...

Ya can't have it BOTH ways guys - either lay off the brand-bashing, or else grant a little leeway for guys who have had GOOD experiences with other brands over the years, and choose to talk about them...

This is obviously a DODGE board - but MANY of us also have OTHER brand vehicles in our garages, or have had them in past years with what we consider good results - none may be perfect, INCLUDING our Dodges - but few of them are total failures, either - so how about a little sensitivity and common sense where other brands are concerned? I'm VERY proud of my '02 truck - but JUST as happy with my wife's '05 Ford Escape - yeah, I come HERE for Dodge info - and would go to a Ford board for detailed info on her Ford - but does that automatically mean I must be totally SILENT about her Ford - or else meekly accept a roasting if I *dare* mention it and it's general quality here on this board?

Get a grip guys! :-laf

Hey Gary, go whine somewhere else. We don't give a hoot whether you own and like your Furd, or not. The Furd diesel engines have been poor from the start and became considerably worse with the 6. 0 Navistar junk box. This is the TDR website, a website and organization for Dodge-Cummins owners.

There is absolutely nothing hypocritical about our criticism of other brands meaning Governmnent Motors and Furd here and defending the Dodge-Cummins on another thread.

If you feel "sensitive" and caring maybe you should ask your endocrinologist to draw a blood sample and check your testosterone level. Maybe your estrogen level is too high.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Hey Gary, go whine somewhere else. We don't give a hoot whether you own and like your Furd, or not. The Furd diesel engines have been poor from the start and became considerably worse with the 6. 0 Navistar junk box. This is the TDR website, a website and organization for Dodge-Cummins owners.



There is absolutely nothing hypocritical about our criticism of other brands meaning Governmnent Motors and Furd here and defending the Dodge-Cummins on another thread.



If you feel "sensitive" and caring maybe you should ask your endocrinologist to draw a blood sample and check your testosterone level. Maybe your estrogen level is too high.

Nice to see some things NEVER change, and you're still as sweet and cordial as ever Harvey - you have a nice day too! :-laf:-laf

 

[Grizzly]

Just for a bit of insight - reality check...



THIS thread is a sterling example of the double standard some TDR members display where discussion of competing vehicle brands are concerned - here we see absolutely NO concern over bashing Ford - yet, in another similar thread, great wailing and offense taken when a member has the AUDACITY to make favorable comments on a brand other than Dodge...



Ya can't have it BOTH ways guys - either lay off the brand-bashing, or else grant a little leeway for guys who have had GOOD experiences with other brands over the years, and choose to talk about them...



This is obviously a DODGE board - but MANY of us also have OTHER brand vehicles in our garages, or have had them in past years with what we consider good results - none may be perfect, INCLUDING our Dodges - but few of them are total failures, either - so how about a little sensitivity and common sense where other brands are concerned? I'm VERY proud of my '02 truck - but JUST as happy with my wife's '05 Ford Escape - yeah, I come HERE for Dodge info - and would go to a Ford board for detailed info on her Ford - but does that automatically mean I must be totally SILENT about her Ford - or else meekly accept a roasting if I *dare* mention it and it's general quality here on this board?



Get a grip guys! :-laf

Gary, with all due respect I believe that if I want to put Furd down because of the bad experience I've had with that brand, I will. Especially here on TDR, which is a Dodge/Cummins web site you know. I will not go the Furd web site, which is TheDieselStop, to say what I think about Furd. By the same token I take objection to anyone coming to our web site to put down Dodge or Cummins and I'll let them know it.



I am not at all bashful to speak out and say what I like and what I don't like.



I've got a grip. george

 

[AClayton]

Hey Gary, go whine somewhere else. We don't give a hoot whether you own and like your Furd, or not. The Furd diesel engines have been poor from the start and became considerably worse with the 6. 0 Navistar junk box. This is the TDR website, a website and organization for Dodge-Cummins owners.



There is absolutely nothing hypocritical about our criticism of other brands meaning Governmnent Motors and Furd here and defending the Dodge-Cummins on another thread.



If you feel "sensitive" and caring maybe you should ask your endocrinologist to draw a blood sample and check your testosterone level. Maybe your estrogen level is too high.

Harvey,



I guess that means I'm next..... seeing as I agreed with Gary's post. This is indeed a Cummins site and I love my truck just as much as any other poster on this site,however,discussions can be positive or negative. That is how the truth get's out... . we have all heard that you put 600K miles on 2 Dodge trucks with the venerable Cummins and may be you did get away with trouble free miles. I did not... . it is not because I've abused my truck;it's not because the previous owner abused this truck;it is not the use of Magic Boxes and it is not because I haven't learned enough about my truck on this website to maintain it. I have had every problem that is griped about in the 2nd Gen forums and installed all the TDR remedies on my truck from the front-end to the faulty lift pumps to the cracked dash syndrome. Want facts?I have spent more money on this truck in 2. 5 yrs than I have for the last 2 pick-ups owned. Yes,it will last longer,it gets the best mileage pulling my trailer and has the MOST pulling power of the other trucks I've owned. That is the reason I keep it. BUT,it doesn't necessarily mean it's the most reliable vehicle on the road whether you want to believe it or not.



This doesn't mean I'm gonna go right out and purchase a Powerstroke or a Duramax either. It just means I'm sharing my experience with what I thought to be my TDR friends. Most guys are objective on this site..... Harvey,you are the least objective person on this site with your one-sided and close-minded views. Has it ever dawned on you that maybe YOU are the person with the problem. Nearly every thread you post in someone is not only disagreeing with you but attacking you... ... and you generally attack 1st!If anybody's meds are screwed up,it is yours.



And don't you dare hit me with your liberal garbage and tell me that I deserve something for nothing and to just wait for the Supreme Socialist to take care of me and all that I TRIED TO BY-PASS THE CUSSING FILTER... . I haven't worked LESS than a 40 hr week in way too long for you to lay that on me.



Signed



Alan..... owner of a LOUSY GM big-block V8

 

[HBarlow]

Nice to see some things NEVER change, and you're still as sweet and cordial as ever Harvey - you have a nice day too! :-laf:-laf

Thank you, Gary. Your kind words about my sweet disposition and cordial demeanor make me feel real warm and fuzzy. I hope you have not only a nice day but even a nice entire weekend.

 

[HBarlow]

Harvey,

I guess that means I'm next..... seeing as I agreed with Gary's post. This is indeed a Cummins site and I love my truck just as much as any other poster on this site,however,discussions can be positive or negative. That is how the truth get's out... . we have all heard that you put 600K miles on 2 Dodge trucks with the venerable Cummins and may be you did get away with trouble free miles. I did not... . it is not because I've abused my truck;it's not because the previous owner abused this truck;it is not the use of Magic Boxes and it is not because I haven't learned enough about my truck on this website to maintain it. I have had every problem that is griped about in the 2nd Gen forums and installed all the TDR remedies on my truck from the front-end to the faulty lift pumps to the cracked dash syndrome. Want facts?I have spent more money on this truck in 2. 5 yrs than I have for the last 2 pick-ups owned. Yes,it will last longer,it gets the best mileage pulling my trailer and has the MOST pulling power of the other trucks I've owned. That is the reason I keep it. BUT,it doesn't necessarily mean it's the most reliable vehicle on the road whether you want to believe it or not.

This doesn't mean I'm gonna go right out and purchase a Powerstroke or a Duramax either. It just means I'm sharing my experience with what I thought to be my TDR friends. Most guys are objective on this site..... Harvey,you are the least objective person on this site with your one-sided and close-minded views. Has it ever dawned on you that maybe YOU are the person with the problem. Nearly every thread you post in someone is not only disagreeing with you but attacking you... ... and you generally attack 1st!If anybody's meds are screwed up,it is yours.

And don't you dare hit me with your liberal garbage and tell me that I deserve something for nothing and to just wait for the Supreme Socialist to take care of me and all that I TRIED TO BY-PASS THE CUSSING FILTER... . I haven't worked LESS than a 40 hr week in way too long for you to lay that on me.

Signed

Alan..... owner of a LOUSY GM big-block V8

Alan, Have you discussed with your doctor your paranoia or feelings of persecution? I don't remember writing one single post here or in another thread with your name on it or where I specifically criticized something you wrote. I don't remember ever reading any liberal whines from you about entitlement to anything and don't think of you as one of them. Have I missed something?

Please go back to the first post in this thread and quote all the posts where I wrote anything even impolite to anyone here before Gary lectured Grizzly and me about our criticism of Fords.

 

[AClayton]

Harvey,



Although,I may have lost my temper in my post aimed towards you and that was un-professional on my part,BUT,I'm quite confident that you know exactly what I was talking about and know exactly what thread and posts I was referring to.



Alan

 

[nickleinonen]

imho, all the big 3 for pickups are equally as bad or good depending on how you look at it. i purchased my dodge for the drivetrain combo alone. i am more or less happy with the truck too, but if the 5. 9/nv5600 was available in all 3, it would have been a toss up between all 3. might have ended up with a ford then... ?

 

[HBarlow]

Alan,

I think I know what you are referring to but am not sure. Please correct me if I am wrong. Cut and paste my post(s) if I am overlooking a grievous insult I issued. .

There is a big difference between disagreeing with a statement by posting an opposing view about trucks or engines and with criticizing the poster.

In your earlier post in this thread you again mentioned the trouble you have experienced with your Dodge and sounded defensive. I remember you outlined all the troubles you have had with your Dodge in a different thread. I posted that I have had none of the problems you reported with three Dodge Rams for a total of over 600k miles.

This IS a Dodge-Cummins website. There are probably hundreds, possibly thousands of non-member readers who browse here and make buying decisions based on owner opinions and reported problems. I defend the products because I believe in them and have experienced very few of the problems I read about.

Some think that you absolutely must have a fuel pressure gauge and carry two spare lift pumps and a spare VP-44 injection pump. Personally, I know that is baloney. I have never had a fuel pressure gauge, have never had a breakdown, and have only replaced two transfer pumps on my '01 Ram.

I defended the product based on my experience with several Dodge-Cummins. I did not question your driving or maintenance skills, your honesty, your judgement, etc. In fact, I said nothing whatsoever about you or your truck. I posted my own experience for others to read and draw their own conclusions.

I also disagreed with your opinion of a big block gasser Chevrolet. You made a couple of bold claims about the fuel mileage and power of the gasoline 8. 1. I posted my own opinion which was dramatically different. Note again, I did not criticize you personally, I disagreed with your opinion of your Chevrolet V8 gas motor.

I have a low opinion of gasoline V8s and, in particular, those made by GM for the reasons I have stated. They are an oversquare engine ie bore size is larger than the stroke which always means that engine produces torque at high rpm and, in my opinion, is a poor choice for towing or hauling applications. An engine that must run at high rpm to make power consumes excessive amounts of fuel and wears out much earlier than a low rpm engine. Even the old Furd 460 was a better towing/hauling motor because, as you know, it was a low rpm torque motor.

If you take that as a personal challenge or insult, that is simply your perception or reaction to someone who disagrees with you and not an intentional or direct insult by me.

You shouldn't take disagreement with your statements or opinions as an insult. I consider you one of the rational and thoughtful posters here and you and I often see things the same way. I certainly don't seek to disagree with or challenge you. But, if I think my best friend is making a statement that is untrue or in error, I will disagree. If he or you can prove me incorrect, I will back down and accept the correction.

 

[AClayton]

Harvey,



We will have to agree to disagree where gas motors are concerned... . I can live with that!!So far,mine has been trouble free and I expressed that... . end of rant!!



It seems that we share the same Political views and of course;owning a CTD. I really do like my truck,but it sure has hit me hard this month. I'm confident it is just bad,very bad timing that a VP and the transmission both took a dump in 3 weeks time. I am also aware that Dodge should not be held accountable for the transmission in my case,due to the mods that have been done. I trust my Dodge should be trouble free from this point forward.



Alan

 

[kenny61]

Driving Back and forth to New Hampshire every two weeks or so. There must be something about the ride. Everytime there is a ford P/u in the break down lane This week I counted 3 fords broken down at least 2 were the diesel. I've gone on many road trips over the years and very rarely see any cars / trucks broken down. But on this particular route It seems to be a Ford graveyard.