Any Massey Ferguson dozer experts?

[NGuzik]

Not sure if this is the right spot to post but I don't see a place for super rare old diesel dozers. . I'm trying to bring this old 1970 Massey Ferguson dozer with a 3 cylinder Perkins back to life. It's a 200b with a shuttle shift trans... After about 20 hours of getting the motor pulled I can't seem to find any parts for it. Got a full motor rebuild but I guess mf decide to discontinue all part number for this beast. I've been trying to track down a toque converter rebuild kit with very little luck. Anyone know a place (in America) that has some parts for this thing? I guess they were pretty popular in Europe but haven't been able to find much of anything in the states. If it helps there is a 200b that came as a bucket loader. Any help would be awesome, just don't want to see this thing sit any longer.



*spark notes version...

I need a place that carries parts for this old thing, any info would help. Pictures of it to come later for all you old tractor lovers...

Cheers, nick

 

[mwilson]

Check these guys???

Looks promising maybe.



http://www.joseph.com/Class_list.asp?Brand=Massey+Ferguson&Type=Torque+Converters



Mike.

 

[DGerth]

Try the Yesterdaystractors.com web site and go to the Massey Ferguson section. Lots of good stuff there and maybe they can answer your ?'s.
dg

 

[NGuzik]

Here are a few pictures after we got this giant 3 cylinder perkins out. Please note my shop is a 80x40 barn with out electricity other than a really long extension cord and my engine hoist is a 245 Mf tractor so I felt pretty accomplished after the fact. Thanks for the different part sources. yesterdaystractor was kind of a let down. They had tons of stuff but mostly just generic parts, but is in a different league compared to my local MF dealer. They do have an owners manual that seems like a no brainer... The real question now is has anyone ever operate one of these machines?

 

[Wayne M.]

Any info on the Perkins? I never knew they made a 3 cyl. I remember an OLD MF dealer on rt. 33 in New Jersey where there USED to be some farms. . Gone now.

 

[Bill Stockard]

CAT bought Perkins several years ago and are using the resulting "Perkapillar" engines in some of their small construction machines. Have you tried a CAT dealer for parts?



Bill

 

[NIsaacs]

Is that a 3. 152 series Perkins? If so there are several variations. Early model indirect injection, late model indirect and a direct injection model. If aftermarket is ok, AGKITS.com has rebuild kits/engine parts.



Nick

 

[jhenderson]

I had a 3-152 perk in a '67 MF Treever. It was a pulp forwarder made by Gafner, out of MF industrial parts. It was great on fuel and very dependable, but it was a bear to start under 20F. I used to warm the intake with a propane torch. The slightest whiff of either would lock up the motor.

 

[NGuzik]

The 3 cylinder is pretty common in small equipment, it has around 30-45 hp. I hear they even put it in jeeps for awhile. .

 

[NGuzik]

CAT bought Perkins several years ago and are using the resulting "Perkapillar" engines in some of their small construction machines. Have you tried a CAT dealer for parts?



Bill

I called Cat to see what they would charge to do sleeves and gasket, $2500 seemed a little high... So I picked up a hole seal kit with sleeves and pistons for $500 and had $400 in machining done to the head. That seemed alittle more fair. I guess I didn't think to ask about any other parts, I may have to try that.

 

[Bill Stockard]

I called Cat to see what they would charge to do sleeves and gasket, $2500 seemed a little high... So I picked up a hole seal kit with sleeves and pistons for $500 and had $400 in machining done to the head. That seemed alittle more fair. I guess I didn't think to ask about any other parts, I may have to try that.

I'm not surprised at the difference in CAT prices and the aftermarket S&P kits for a Perkins. Isn't your engine one half of a Perkins 6-236 engine? Reading about your M-F 200 series dozer got me to thinking/remembering... I-H used a 3-cylinder diesel in their 500 series dozers and so did John Deere in their 350 series. IIRC, Case use a little 4-banger in their 350 series. Both the I-H and JD engines were sleeved engines, but I don't remember about the Case... it's been a long time.

Bill

 

[Bill Stockard]

I had a 3-152 perk in a '67 MF Treever. It was a pulp forwarder made by Gafner, out of MF industrial parts. It was great on fuel and very dependable, but it was a bear to start under 20F. I used to warm the intake with a propane torch. The slightest whiff of either would lock up the motor.

Didn't those engines have a big glow plug in the center of the intake manifold? Some Perkins engines did and we started them by running the manifold heater until it was hot, hit the starter and give it a puff of ether at the same time. The ether would hit the red hot glow plug and make an instant flame, and with the engine already spinning, it would suck the flame into the combustion chamber and the engine would start instantly without locking up. :-laf



Bill

 

[Wayne M.]

I had experience with the older 4 and 6 cyl Perkins. Great engines. Today we have the little, we call 'em cataperks in our snowmelters. What kind of injector pump does it have? Good luck finding the parts.

 

[NGuzik]

I had experience with the older 4 and 6 cyl Perkins. Great engines. Today we have the little, we call 'em cataperks in our snowmelters. What kind of injector pump does it have? Good luck finding the parts.

It's a Cav Rotary pump and the new style head.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Didn't those engines have a big glow plug in the center of the intake manifold? Some Perkins engines did and we started them by running the manifold heater until it was hot, hit the starter and give it a puff of ether at the same time. The ether would hit the red hot glow plug and make an instant flame, and with the engine already spinning, it would suck the flame into the combustion chamber and the engine would start instantly without locking up. :-laf



Bill

When I was O/O and had a 1693 cat motor they told me NOT to use ether on a glow plug equipped motor that would lock it up, glow plugs were supposed to be enough, never failed to start for me but I didn't shut it down to many times when it got into the - side of the thermometer

 

[jhenderson]

The Gafner forwarder I run now has a 268 ford diesel in it. They originally used a glow plug in the intake manifold that had a fuel drip on it. No longer serviced As it was deemed a fire hazard. I pre- heat with heater hoses off my pick up.

 

[rscurtis]

If your Ford engine has an in-line pump, it should have a fuel allowance button in the center of the stop lever. Push that for a cold start and you won't need any pre-heat.

 

[jhenderson]

WRONG! You try starting a machine with a 25 gal a minute hyd pump bolted to the crank at 5 degrees and tell me the excess fuel button is all that's needed.