Anybody have dyno numbers for a "600" with a banks 6 gun?

[PJereb]

Anybody have dyno numbers for a "600" with a banks 6 gun?

With or without the speedloader.

I am just looking for rear wheel HP and torque numbers.



Thanks in advance!

Peter

 

[jwilliams3]

I dont have numbers.

But, I would advise purchasing the TST CR.

It has worked flawless on my 6 speed 04. 5.



Also the digital gauges make it even better.



--Justin

 

[mattymac]

Originally posted by jwilliams3

I dont have numbers.

But, I would advise purchasing the TST CR.

It has worked flawless on my 6 speed 04. 5.



Also the digital gauges make it even better.



--Justin

YEP!

 

[PeterT]

For those that have been waiting for Six-Gun data on the 305 HP and the 325/600, I believe that I can shed a little light on the situation. There have been a couple of twists in the way that we have gathered the data with the new calibration. Traditionally we have presented data that is acquired via load dyno testing. That means that the engine is brought to full throttle, load is placed on the rear wheels such that a specific RPM is attained for a specified period of time to ensure stability, then readings are taken. The first data that we published from testing on the 235 was gathered in that fashion.



But many people use acceleration dynos or on-board acceleration analyzers to test their vehicles. Acceleration tests, while being a viable means of comparison testing, only really give you peak horsepower information. If that is all that you are looking for in a back-to-back comparison, then acceleration testing is worth using. Shortly after we released the first version of the Six-Gun, some people expressed a desire for more aggressive acceleration characteristics. We did some tweaking and tuning and came up with a new calibration for all the horsepower ratings.



The new calibration in the highest settings cannot easily be tested on a load dyno because the stock transmission will slip under full load conditions. This means two things: The Six-Gun set at its highest levels is not recommended for use while towing, and the easiest way to present the horsepower data is with an acceleration test. The stock transmission functions nicely under light truck drag race conditions and during acceleration dyno tests.



Here is some info that we gathered from acceleration tests that you may find interesting:



Test vehicle: 2003 3500 235 automatic, 2wd, dually



Peak HP, Acceleration test

Stock: 170. 5 HP

Banks Six-Gun (L6 w/ Speed-Loader): 287. 1 HP (+116. 6)

Edge EZ (highest settings): 264. 7 HP (+94. 2)

Bullydog Torque Dog (highest settings): 272. 3 HP (+101. 8)



0-60 MPH

Stock: 15. 04 sec

Banks Six-Gun (L6 w/ Speed-Loader): 9. 25 sec

Edge EZ (highest settings): 10. 37 sec

Bullydog Torque Dog (highest settings): 9. 98 sec



¼ Mile

Stock: 20. 86 sec @ 70. 4 MPH

Banks Six-Gun (L6 w/ Speed-Loader): 17. 38 sec @ 81. 2 MPH

Edge EZ (highest settings): 17. 98 sec @ 78. 3 MPH

Bullydog Torque Dog (highest settings): 17. 73 sec @ 80. 1 MPH



Peak EGT (observed on ¼ mile run)

Stock: 1180 degrees

Banks: 1310 degrees

Edge: 1368 degrees

Bullydog: 1415 degrees





Test vehicle: 2003 3500 305 automatic, 2wd, dually

(Note: This truck was equipped with a Banks Monster Exhaust, BigHead Actuator and a Ram-Air filter for all tests)



Peak HP, Acceleration test

Stock: 218. 6 HP

Banks Six-Gun (L6 w/ Speed-Loader): 306. 5 HP (+87. 9)

Edge EZ (highest settings): 292. 5 HP (+73. 9)

Bullydog Torque Dog (highest settings): 299. 9 HP (+81. 3)



0-60 MPH

Stock: 10. 18 sec

Banks Six-Gun (L6 w/ Speed-Loader): 8. 00 sec

Edge EZ (highest settings): 8. 35 sec

Bullydog Torque Dog (highest settings): 8. 16 sec



¼ Mile

Stock: 17. 82 sec @ 80. 6 MPH

Banks Six-Gun (L6 w/ Speed-Loader): 16. 19 sec @ 90. 2 MPH

Edge EZ (highest settings): 16. 48 sec @ 87. 9 MPH

Bullydog Torque Dog (highest settings): 16. 32 sec @ 89. 6 MPH



Peak EGT (observed on ¼ mile run)

Stock: 1113 degrees

Banks: 1231 degrees

Edge: 1341 degrees

Bullydog: 1364 degrees



Test vehicle: 2004. 5 2500 325/600 automatic, 4wd, single rear wheel

(Note: Since Edge and Bullydog products for the Cummins 600 were unavailable at the time of this test, only Stock and Banks are shown. ¼ mile and 0-60 runs were made in 4wd for consistency. )



Peak HP, Acceleration test

Stock: 230. 0 HP

Banks Six-Gun (L6 w/ Speed-Loader): 326. 8 HP (+96. 8)



0-60 MPH

Stock: 9. 76 sec

Banks Six-Gun (L6 w/ Speed-Loader): 7. 68 sec



¼ Mile

Stock: 17. 70 sec @ 82. 2 MPH

Banks Six-Gun (L6 w/ Speed-Loader): 16. 00 sec @ 91. 5 MPH



Peak EGT (observed on ¼ mile run)

Stock: 1263 degrees

Banks: 1358 degrees

 

[Bertram65]

That's some interesting info, thanks for posting it. The increases are impressive but what is really interesting to me is how slow these trucks are, 0-60 and 1/4 mile compared to mild performance cars and gas trucks. I have been around and had fast cars, these are not even close. It's a truck, a heavy truck and I have always wondered about the 0-60 and quarter mile times, especially when you see postings about racing and how poeple claim to have beat other cars or trucks in impromtue drag races. It makes you wonder if the other cars or trucks knew there was a race.

 

[PeterT]

Bertram65,

You make a valid point. Keep in mind that these are regular off the street trucks, not tricked out for drag racing in any way. I am sure you could knock some time off by doing certain things, but these trucks are basically comparable to what most of the readers in this forum are driving.

 

[Evan A. Beck]

So howcome the "Sig Gun Speed Loader" doesn't make squat for power on an acceleration dyno? We have a Dynojet 248X with 7,000 lb drums. Our testing showed a peak gain of 49 HP with the Six Gun. The Edge EZ box was 57 HP. This also was not only on one specific truck. We have had several Sig Guns come through the shop, and not one has made more than 55 peak HP.



I know there are differences between dynos, but 50 HP? I don't think so. I could see maybe 10, or 15 HP difference. But 50 is just not right. What model dyno are you using?



On another note, the Six Gun for the 6. 0L Ford was impressive. Made 30 more HP than the Edge Juice. Smoke was about the same, as well as general drivabililty.

 

[Evan A. Beck]

One more thing...

Originally posted by PeterT

... the highest settings cannot easily be tested on a load dyno because the stock transmission will slip under full load conditions.

How can you accutately advertise how much power it gains on a stock transmission on its most aggressive setting, if it cannot be measured? Wouldn't the average consumer be very disappointed if the power was not even usable?



I am not trying to crap on the Banks stuff, just wondering why the HP claims are high, but never show up on an acceleration/fixed mass dyno. I am sure lots of guys out there are wondering the same thing.

 

[catoiler]

My 03 235hp so motor auto 2x4 DRW ran a 17. 65 with less than 100 miles on it at palmdale. I know the truck that you used for the 305 and stock it is faster than mine. Whats up with those 1/4 times?

 

[Guest]

WHAT????

Originally posted by Bertram65

That's some interesting info, thanks for posting it. The increases are impressive but what is really interesting to me is how slow these trucks are, 0-60 and 1/4 mile compared to mild performance cars and gas trucks. I have been around and had fast cars, these are not even close. It's a truck, a heavy truck and I have always wondered about the 0-60 and quarter mile times, especially when you see postings about racing and how poeple claim to have beat other cars or trucks in impromtue drag races. It makes you wonder if the other cars or trucks knew there was a race.

Those numbers are$*&#@^$(^@(#



And by that I mean nothing!



I ran a high 13. 9 in the qtr w/ the other truck, 0-60 is a hell of a lot quicker if you leave the line w/ boost and yes these trucks weigh over double what most cars weigh... There wasnt much that could keep up w/ my 02 out on the streets all they got was a screen of smoke in the face... ... ... Now its time to bomb the new one!!!!

 

[mattymac]

Originally posted by loganHill02

Those numbers are$*&#@^$(^@(#



And by that I mean nothing!



I ran a high 13. 9 in the qtr w/ the other truck, 0-60 is a hell of a lot quicker if you leave the line w/ boost and yes these trucks weigh over double what most cars weigh... There wasnt much that could keep up w/ my 02 out on the streets all they got was a screen of smoke in the face... ... ... Now its time to bomb the new one!!!!

So if your saying you want to make your new truck fast like your 02 then why are you waitning on the new "Edge EZ"?









Unless your going to stack it with a nice litte duration box of course!

 

[badams1]

I have the Banks Six Gun and speed loader and it really pulls great in the moutains of Colorado set on 6 with a 12klb. 5 th wheel. If I had more power than that I would break something for sure. I might add that I got 12. 4 MPG for the 3000 mile trip with only 300 miles of cruising around Saladia Co. because we rented a Jeep for off roading. 03 HO 305 hp six spd 373 HD quad LWB and loving it. Exhaust temps never got over 1200 the whole trip on the 6 setting. The question to Peter is when did you tweek the Six Gun electronics, because I bought mine in april 04? Can I get an up dated calibration on mine just in case I want to tear up my transmission or rearend while towing?

 

[Motofreak]

Peter, really appreciate you coming on here. Have the full Stinger on my 01 and am looking to do something for my 04. 5. Really liked my Stinger and it will outpull my 4. 5 easily. Am definitely looking at Banks again.

 

[PeterT]

Evan,

The Six-Guns that you have tested are most likely the old calibration. The changes that we made to the calibration were all about improving acceleration, and that would hold true in any acceleration dyno test as well. I’ve talked in other threads about the differences between load testing and acceleration testing, so I won’t go into great detail here, but I can guarantee that you will see a significant difference between the old calibration and the new calibration in an acceleration test. Comparing them in a load test, the change would not be quite as pronounced. You can determine which version of calibration that you have by looking at the clear label on the back side of the module. If it has the number 62976-05E it is the latest calibration, if it says anything other than that, it is an old calibration. The new calibration started shipping around the end of June. If you have the old calibration and would like to have it updated, simply contact our Customer Service Department at (888) 839-5600 and they will make arrangements for you to send the module in. You pay to ship it to us, we pay to ship it back to you, the re-flash is free.

Originally posted by Evan A. Beck

How can you accutately advertise how much power it gains on a stock transmission on its most aggressive setting, if it cannot be measured? Wouldn't the average consumer be very disappointed if the power was not even usable?

The improvements at the highest settings can be measured on a truck with a stock transmission, that is what acceleration dyno testing (such as your Dynojet) and track testing are all about. It is only full load testing on a dyno that cannot be sustained in the highest settings. Those settings are not recommended for towing, which is the only real world condition that approximates full load dyno testing. If all you are doing is drag racing, then the power available in the highest settings is entirely usable, even with a stock transmission. By the way, for those that do like to tow using their Six-Gun, they may be happier keeping the older calibration. For those that are nervous about using a racing product like the Six-Gun for towing purposes, we still offer our Stinger product, which is a single level of fuel calibration to match added airflow. The idea is that we have products that will suit everyone’s needs.



Catoiler,

Our 235 quad cab dually ran a 20. 86 second ¼ mile with no torque braking and no modifications to improve the truck beyond its basic street configuration. The truck in its same configuration, just adding the Six-Gun (still no torque braking) turned a 17. 38 second ¼ mile. Our 305 test truck was a similar quad-cab dually that was already equipped with a Banks Monster Exhaust, BigHead actuator and a Ram-Air filter. Again with no torque braking and no other modifications, it turned a 17. 82 ¼ mile, improving to 16. 19 with the Six-Gun added. I can’t tell you why your truck was so much quicker except to say, different track, different timing equipment, different driver, etc. The purpose of these tests was not to see how quickly we could do the ¼, but rather to compare products with minimal variables.



Peter T