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Please forgive me if this has been covered already but I'm new to the site and on dial up and searching through all the previous threads is taking foooooorrreeeeevveer :) . My name is Michael and like I said I'm new around here and the proud owner of a Silver 05 Dodge 3500. I have been driving OTR for about six years now and just wondering if there's any money to be made hauling cars with my dually. From what I've been reading not many people happy hauling RV's. I've spoken to a couple of the larger auto transport companies and they said as long as I have my own authority they could put me to work. I would like to get some opinions from people that are in the business before going through the process of getting my authority. I see a lot of duallies pulling cars but they're always going opposite of me and I never get to talk to any of them. So if anyone can give me any info I would appeciate it.



Thanks,

Michael
 
Blue where do you live? I am in the process of getting into it myself. It looks to me like you can definitely be put to work. 3 cars staying under 26K seems a little tight but that is what I am going for at the moment. You have a CDL already so you could go for a 53 footer and go 4 cars and make even more. I am still "figuring" things out but it looks like there is lots of work. I am checking into this site www.carsarrive.com to help me get started. They are sort of like a broker... arrange loads between dealers and transporters. On paper it looks good and my calculations don't seem unrealistic to me. I hope in the end it'll pay off. I am looking at getting ready for another few months at least. Taking my time, doing it right.



I made this page as I've been getting ready. Don't take it all for fact because it is based on my personal experience... some might be wrong. I welcome corrections!



http://xj.cdevco.net/forhire.htm
 
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Auto Transport

I have been doing it for the last 2 1/2 years. IF you want to get into it get ready to put some money out for Insurance, as a FOR HIRE huller you need at least $750,000 liability then you will want CARGO Insurance.

I only hall 4 cars at a time and I have $250,000 Cargo coverage. This all adds up to about $14,000 a year. Now you need your ICC/MC number $300 and your DOT number FREE. Then all the paper work to go with it. DOT medical certificate Drug and a Test program. Now you can go out and buy a truck and trailer. I love my Dodge BUT I would not pull more then one car with it. I have seen many of them rolled over with 3 and 4 car trailers I know the motor will pull it but the truck IS NOT made for it (sorry) just trying to save you some trouble.



Look at this link

http://groups.msn.com/oasis320015/randystruck.msnw



After all that yes you can make a living pulling cars.



Good Luck

Cliff
 
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Thanks for the insight. What kind of truck are you using?



Great pictures! Is that your truck? Good lord that hurts to look at. I noticed it is a gooseneck trailer. What caused it, do you know?



My plans are to use a 1 ton dually and losing the bed. I am thinking of using a "low profile" trailer with a 5th wheel hitch--Not a gooseneck and not a regular rise wedge trailer that has to clear the bed rails. Hopefully this will prove a lot safer.
 
Trucks

No thats not my rolled over truck.

I have a 2001 Volvo 660 with a N-14 Cummins.

This is a link to see my old 1999 Freightliner and my 2001 Volvo

http://groups.msn.com/oasis320015/worktrucks.msnw?albumlist=2



This link shows the back part of my truck and just the front part of my trailer. The wrecked Dodge truck in the picture is not my truck this happened at the Fall Braw last weekend.

http://groups.msn.com/oasis320015/fall2005.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=170



I have a friend pulling a 3 car wedge with a Ford F-450 with the bed off and all I can say is it is very hard on the truck. He was thinking about buying my old Freightliner to pull his 3 car wedge before I traded it in on my Volvo.



Most of the Dodge and Fords you see pulling 3 and 4 car wedge trailers only do it for a short time and after they have to put 3 sets of brakes on there truck in a year because the trailer brakes suck when they get hot. They soon sell out or buy a bigger truck.

A friend of mine rolled his F-350 at about 10 MPH with only 2 cars on it, on wet roads the trailer just pushes the truck and you can not stop.



Hope this helps

Cliff



On EDIT this link will show you the trailer I have, the 4 car rear loader.

http://www.jakestruckshop.com/Products/Trailers/displayMake?make=WALLY-MO
 
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Thanks for the info. It is insightful to hear from someone with experience.



Very nice looking truck and trailer.



How did he roll going so slow? I will admit, I have never pulled 3 cars, but have 100,000+ miles at 20,000 lbs. (about the weight of a 2 car hauler) delivering dump truck bodys and other random stuff. Never really thought much about tipping. #ad
is my old truck/trailer.



1 thing with the over-the-bedrail wedges is the center of gravity is raised a lot.



How much of a difference do you think gooseneck vs 5th wheel makes?



What is it about the bigger trucks that makes the biggest difference... weight?... brakes?



It's interesting to hear the difference opinions. There is a guy on dieseltruckresource.com that hauls 4 cars with his Dodge. He was actualling pulling with single rear wheels until he converted to a dually. Only thing I recall him complaining about is the gooseneck hitch allowing too much lateral movement. He actually JUST got a big truck, but only because his engine in the Dodge died on him.



Thanks again... not questioning you... questioning in seek of knowledge.
 
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Thanks for the info guys. I live in Ky Patrick. Best of luck on your endeavors. I think there is definitely money to be made just gotta figure out the best way to go about it. Concerning the pic of the tipped truck. I drive a big rig all over the country and could take a pic a day of over turned big rigs. Doesn't concern me that all the sudden for no reason my rigs gonna roll onto it's side though. Most of the time it's operator error. Braking would definitely be a concern though. Don't know how much an engine brake would help. I 've been told to definitely not go cheap when buying the trailer as the cheaper ones brakes are horrible.
 
Bigger Truck

With a bigger truck you can get a trailer with air brakes. and the tractor will be more stable with the load.



When my friend rolled hih truck he was on a turn and hit the brakes and the truck slid off the road and got into the soft road side, the truck stopped sliding and the trailer pushed everything over he said it happened in slow motion.

His hole rig was less then a year old and he just put a new clutch in it new brakes on the truck and 6 new tires so every thing was in good shape.



Yes I think a 5th wheel is better then a gooseneck.



Yes some people can run a pick up truck and pull heavy loads for a long time and some people can roll a big truck in a day. I know one driver that rolled 3 big trucks in a 2 year time frame all at the same place before he got fired.



I am just saying that if you start with a bigger truck then you can get a bigger trailer and make more money

If I were to start over I would have gotten the bigger truck to start and a 6 or 7 car trailer. Just think 3 cars X $100 or 7 cars X $100



What ever you do be ready for some LONG days.



Good Luck

Cliff
 
My own enterprise is quite lucrative with my dually and just a three car trailer. In fact a bigger truck wouldn't work well for me and my specialty niche - off the beaten path, severe weather, expedited, corporate deliveries.



That being said, I would agree that most people would do better with a bigger truck/trailer. Most people . . but not all. Evaluate your needs and the needs of your potential customers. If you are doing auction hauls, or if you have a dedicated run you can work week in and out, or if you have an established relationship with one of the major manufacturer's, obviously the more cars you can haul the merrier your pocketbook. However, if you are delivering cars to the Middle of Nowhere, Wyoming, Idaho, Montana etc. , you don't have 7 cars to take out there & couldn't get there in a big truck if it's snowing big. In this scenario you charge a whole lot more (at least double the going rate of major traffic lanes) for your service of being able to deliver cars where bigger trucks generally do not run.



For me . . . where I live & whom my customers are, a smaller truck means working smarter not harder. For someone else a bigger truck would mean the same thing. It all depends on what you kind of service you are trying to offer and who your customers are, where you are located, what traffic corridors you are running etc.





Either way . . .



Whatever you do be ready for some LONG days. :-laf That's for sure!



Good luck

George
 
Well said

George

Very well said.

With my small trailer I can hall 4 cars and the trailer is only 41' long. I have been in places that I should not have but I get paid well and I do a lot of work for the little guy that the big companies don't want.



Good Luck

Cliff

P. S. how many miles do you have on your truck pulling your trailer?
 
I used to haul a 7 car trailer from MI to CA, Iv been an O/O of a FLD 120 and an INT 9400 with a 72 inch sleeper. Iv hauled for 5 or 6 different companies over the last 10 years. Iv hauled Rock,Lime,Sand, Asphalt,corn,Beans,HazMat Tanker,liquid sugar,cars and a dry van . I had my own authority for a couple of years. There is money to be made with all trucks from time to time. There is also more money to be lost with trucks from time to time. There are several reasons for this. The biggest reason as to why it is so difficult to make money with a truck is you are squeezing the same lemon as people who do what I call trucker math. Most O/Os and company drivers are guilty of this and it goes kinda like this, Im makeing 3 bux a mile on this load, Im getting 300 bux for 100 mile run. The guy doesnt figure in the 50 miles of deadhead, or the 3 hours it took to get loaded or the 4 hours it takes to get unloaded. They dont figure in replacment cost of equipment and they dont count uncompesated time. They also think that something is better than nothing as far as rates go. Another problem you run into is any segment of the trucking industry that happends to be profitable is rapidly ruined buy the JB Hunts and swifts of the industry. There was a time when HazMat tank was very lucretive then Schnyder got into it and the rates went through the floor. Schynder also got into flat beds and drop decks at one time and ran the rates down so much that they had to get out of it. Car hauling in a stack and rack enclosed trailer is sheer Hell but it was at one time a sweet gig . Then swift got into it and the rates are less today than they were 6-7 years ago when fuel was half of what it is today. Swift also just sold the car hauling part of there company and I doubt it was because they became tired of taking all that money to the bank. Take a look at the rate of a 12 car hauler who thinks he is making 5 bux a mile. It can take 5 hours to load and three to unload and you usually come back empty so the 5 bux is now down to 2. 50 a mile. If your are leesed on to a company they are going to get 20-30%. Now your are running for maybey 1. 80- 1. 90. now lets look at insurance if you call several thousand PER car deductable insurance . Its going to run you 5-10 cents a mile in the long run. There are 2 kinds of guys that haul cars. Those that damage them and those that lie about it. I thank god I have never had a wreck in a big truck of any kind, I have no points, Iv never been put out of service at a scale. I did however Damage the first car I ever loaded. Damged a second one also. Both were minor but it still costs. Now you can maintain a trailor that has a verey complex hyd system and that will cost 2-3 times more money that a dry van . The cost of a new quality 7 car trailer is about 60-70k. You can get them cheaper but Tust me you need a quality trailer and its the safest and cheapest way to go. The last run I made hauling 7 cars to L. A. CA and back to mi paid me 7 thousand bux... . I also ended up driving 8000 miles. If you run full out and back you end up deadheading all over several states on both ends to pick up and drop off. If you pick up a full load in one spot you will usually come back empty. Its just the nature of the Beast. The fewer cars you haul the less deadhead you do. Its been my exp that in most cases and there are exceptions, that there is no more NET profit in hauling 12 cars than 3. If your pulling a seven to 12 car trailer you end up loading and unloading the same car over and over again as the pick ups and drops dont go in any kind of coherant order. Unless you are young and thin and very heathy you cant do the seven plus car gig very long without getting hurt. IMHO if you want to try the car thing do it a step at a time. Start with a 3 car and work your way up if its profitable for you. Another thing to look into depending on where you live or run is you can haul some typs of things on a 3 car that wont fit on a 2 level trailer, Raised roof conversion vans, duallys,Limos,UPS type trucks,ext. One other thing to consider is a type of three car trailer that might be safer than a wedge as far as a 1 ton pickup . there is a trailer made by a company call Gorrila trailers out of OR. Its a 36 or 38 foot Goosneck flatbed,low to the ground with a hyd ramp at the front that puts one car over the top of the front car but the top car is still not very high in the air and the deck is mabey 2 -3 feet off the ground. Its also a lot easyer to handle a 36-38 foot trailer than a 53 foot wedge with 6 more feet of extentions, Everyone has a different exp in all things. Its late and this isnt flowing well so lets just say You can handle a lot of cars and a lot of money and keep a buck now and then or you handle a few cars and less money and keep the same buck now and then and do it with less risk and labor. I have a CDL A with hazmat,Tank, doubles and tripples and with fuel and rates what they are today I honestly dont know of any segment that is doing well as far as being an O/O is concerned
 
Gorrila trailers

GShail said:
Those Gorrila trailers are sweet looking. How do they tie down the cars? Chains? Straps?

It looks like you have 2 options . One trailer is a wood floor so it looks like wheel straps that hook onto the rub rails . The other option looks like a perferated steel floor so I asume you could use take 3 straps (sweet) I have tried several ways to contact Gorilla trailers in the last few days . They wont return emails. they dont put a phone number on there website other than a fax. I called 1212 and got a number for them . The guy didnt answer the phone so I left vioce mail... . still nothing. sent them another email fri morning . . so far zip. There is another company out there called Ecel , they make trailers on a somewhat similer platform . there are 2 for sale now at truckpaper.com but one is a 53 ft 4 car the other is a 2 car. I have been trying to locate Excel to see what they have as far as 3 cars are concerened. But so far I cant find a websight or location. Im trying to get a short (36-40ft) trailer that will hold 2 large SUVs and one small car . I used to go to Sanfracisco and LA with a 53 ft trialer and an FLD 120. Im not intrested in doing that again. If anyone knows how to get a hold of a manf. who does this kind of trailer please let me know? Thanks Otis
 
Truck-Trailer type

Oasis-3 said:
George

Very well said.

With my small trailer I can hall 4 cars and the trailer is only 41' long. I have been in places that I should not have but I get paid well and I do a lot of work for the little guy that the big companies don't want.



Good Luck

Cliff

P. S. how many miles do you have on your truck pulling your trailer?

Cliff ,What kind of truck and trailer do you have? Thanks Otis
 
George, How do you like the Take 3 trailer ? Do you know how much it weighs by chance? I have been reading all about the trailers and noticed a new loaded Take 3 is a good $3000 (about 7000$ vs $10000) more than a Kaufman. I really like that Take 3 is part of the national association of trailer manufactuerers. Their tiedown system looks good too. Do the triple axles give you any trouble? I have heard that they are a bit of a pain backing or that the tires wear very unevenly.



All, I could use some insight about "costs", specifically what you are putting aside for their vehicle maintenance and vehicle replacement. Also, what sort of mileage do you get loaded with cars and unloaded but pulling the trailer?



Things I have taken into consideration:



Tolls - This is a big unknown for me since I have to pay pretty much to get anywhere



Insurance Cost - Static



Fuel Cost



Vehicle maint and replacement



Vehicle Parking - Static



Advertising - ?



Phone Bill - Static



Trailer payment - Static



Anything else?
 
The Take Three is a pretty awesome setup even with the three single axles. Rotation helps with the uneven tire wear. The front tires suffer the most wear from turning. Kaufmann makes a good trailer as does Sun Valley, EZ Haul, or others. The Gorilla trailer setup looks really sweet, especially if it features the perforated deck tie down system with the straps. The perforated deck strap system is the chief reason I went with a Take 3, it has many benefits. The preforated deck aids in the speed & safety of loading/unloading. Also, strapping down the tires and allowing the cars to use their own suspensions smooths out the ride of your trailer and doesn't damage the vehicles.



3 car trailers can often be had from the auto auctions or elsewhere for quite a bit less than new so look around.



My Take 3 weighs about 6,600 lbs. Loaded we average about 12. 2 mpg hand calculated. Unloaded is hard to say since I am generally loaded but I would guess around 17? Mileage could be better but I tend towards getting there as quick as possible. :-laf
 
things

Oits

I have a 2001 Volvo 660 and I pull a 4 car Wally-Mo trailer My second post has links to see my truck and trailer and my old truck .



Patrick

More axles = higher tolls

When I come into PA from NJ my old truck & trailer 4 axles was $11. 00 my new truck & trailer 5 axles is $13. 75

G. W. bridge in NY old truck $24. 00 New truck $30. 00

Last week on a 450 mile day I spent $114. 80 in tolls



Vehicle Maint. is about $500. 00 a month



Cell Phone (Nextell) free in coming and I can call any were any time 2 phones $179. 00 a month



Fuel Cost at 6. 5 MPG $2300. 00 a month



the list goes on

Some days I can make $110. 00 an hour and some days it's more like $8. 00 an hour BUT every day is 12+ hours

Some weeks I work 2 days some weeks I work 7 days most weeks are 4 or 5 days



Good Luck

Cliff
 
Hey guys, this is a great post with great info but I would like to steer the topic in a slightly different direction. I've been thinking about getting into the biz and think I have a good understanding of the requirements; Truck, Trailer, Insurance, Long days, DOT#, MC#... etc. What I'm really unclear on is HOW DO YOU GET THE LOADS? Is it best to lease on with a transport company or go independent or other? Is this the kind of thing that takes years to develop a working clientele or can you just lease on with someone and be working the next day?



Also I've seen lots of guys hauling 2,3 or 4 trailers on the back of a 3 car wedge. I assume they are hauling from the manufacturers to the dealers. So I wonder if there is good money in hauling trailers like that.



I live in Denver, CO and I'm driving an '04 QC Dually and have been looking a take-3 style trailers.



Thanks in advance - Dan :D
 
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