anyone using veggie oil

[RStacy]

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[RStacy]

Thanks for the info Gang, Keep us Posted, I like what this is saying... does the regular Bi o Diesel you buy at the pump increase Mileage????

can you buy bio at the pump in the good ole US of A? I thought that was only in europe currently, somebody please give me some info here. I'll do a net search. Also that brings to mind the question of if it's at the pumps, will the tax man be right behind it? (sarcasm) of course he will. so what is his next option? tax methanol a. k. a wood alcohol. then your back to square one. either make your own homemade still or pay tax out the WAZOO,for meth. look up meth on the net, see what it runs ya. To give you an idea, you should figure 1/5--or 1 gallon of meth to 5 gallons of oil. course, if anybody has some blueprints, i'll be happy to do some experimenting to see if I can make a methanol equivalent. back to the legalized still in my 1st or 2nd post.



So the big question is, when will the fed see something that was previously a hassle to dispose of, now a marketable resource?(wvo) and even if they do how can they double tax a waste product that is difficult for them to dispose of and regulate, then tax it as a cosumable commodity. see my point?



Undoubtedly they can double tax anything that they want to (I am a BUSH man) but how long will it take them to figure it out? Longer than it takes them to tax meth... gauranteed!!!



I can't, and don't want to make anyone's decisions for them. Make your own. The guy who will be installing my system has 20 years experience as a race car engineer, and has 95% convinced me that this is the way that will give me the most back for my investment. with the least amount of trouble. I don't know about carcinogenics or any of that other stuff, I'm just a normal guy. I want a less expensive fuel source and if I can help the planet by doing it, all the better. and if the tax man takes awhile to catch up, well, that makes it even sweeter. Look on Donkeydo.com for WVO test results. get your dyno's and MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION. Hope this helps somebody.



In my professional opinion as a home remodeler, which has absolutley nothing to do with diesel bio mechanics, Stay one step ahead whenever possible.

 

[RStacy]

Here's a thought for guys wanting to at least TRY the biodiesel, but don't have an available local station source.



IF you have a decent canned food outlet store or similar reduced price store, look for a good buy in a few gallons of cooking oil - it might be pretty decently priced, already pure enough to pour directly in your tank, and since diesel itself is at around $2. 50 a gallon in many areas, you can deduct that from the per gallon cost of the veggie oil.



So, for not TOO high a cost, you can try a veggie bio blend, and see what you think - without the hassle and expense of setting up your own backyard "still" and doing the collecting bit.



Food for thought...

This post is not accurate nor based on any sense that I can tell. PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT this. Veggie oil must be heated to the proper temperature before it will burn as normal fuel in a diesel system. DUE DILLIGENCE IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY! I could be wrong. but I'd Rather be safe than sorry, check it out.



Veggie and bio are completely different things. one is a home refined fuel, one is an alternative to be used as a compliment to the other in which the the benefits (in my opinion) are well worth the leg work that it take to read and understand.

 

[Tim]

Is biodiesel approved for use in a 3rd gen by Dodge?

 

[nickleinonen]

Is biodiesel approved for use in a 3rd gen by Dodge?

i believe it is approved by cummins for up to b20 in the hpcr isb's... dodge's stand on it is b5 i believe [going by memory as i can't find hard facts, but i think there is something on the biodiesel in the owners manual]

 

[fox]

Waste vegetable oil should not be just poured into your truck.

It really should be filtered and seperated ( take the glyericin out).



The other thing we need to address, it the difference between WVO and soy fuel. Both are called biodiesel.



I don't know of any places that sell the WVO at a pump pre mixed.

 

[LightmanE300]

All I can say is this thread is full of speculation and not a lot of experience. I can say I have seen the pictures and results of Bosch's test that runs SVO in HPCR systems, and have seen the clogged carnage that resulted - despite being heated to proper viscosity ranges. Here's another tidbit - running SVO like a greasel system or the like also creates many many toxic emissions, far worse than biodiesel and worse than petro diesel yet. The only benefit to SVO is cost savings. You won't save much if anything at all after spending the money or hours to set the thing up and collect all the oil etc, if you have some injectors go bad or a pump. . I'm not saying it's not possible, but I wouldn't recommend it.



Biodiesel is another story, as mentioned. I've burned 4400 gals of biodiesel now, in almost every variety of blend, including running 35,000 miles on straight b100 in my TDI. It's good stuff, provided you do get astm quality product or produce it that way yourself.



Yenga80, please don't do a few days worth of research on the web and start making recommendations. All you seem to have done is parrot the marketing nonsese that's available on most biodiesel sites. Less toxic than table salt? Give me break. I'll mix an ounce of salt with something and eat it and you can drink an ounce of biodiesel with something... sound good? Methanol is poisonous, and lye isn't exactly what you put in your coffee... LOL, I poured out some excess b100 in my grass that I'd drained out of my fuel filter one day, and the grass has been dead in that spot for 2 yrs!!While Stacey David on the show Trucks may have made a nice sale for the biodiesel concept, he made crap fuel, as does the fuelmeister. There are several better processors out there, and even yet you will need to practice quite a bit and get things right before you start producing quality fuel. Take a look at the appleseed processor if you are interested in buying or building a system. Some companies will come out and assemble it , and teach you how to make your first batch for $2k.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

The more I read about this "homebrew" fuel, and the potential associated hazards, the more inclined I am to bite the bullet, and just keep paying at the pump like the vast,vast majority of the sheep...



Sorry if the new veggie oil was a bad idea - I had thought the refining bit was aimed at USED veggie oils due to contamination in use - didn't think even the "virgin" stuff needed refining prior to use...



OOOoops!

 

[KBennett]

From the recent Cummins newsletter:



What Is Biodiesel?

Biodiesel. It’s a term we’re hearing more and more frequently these days, but what does it mean? And, how might biodiesel fuel affect your engine?

Biodiesel is the name for an alternative fuel made from renewable sources such as natural oils like soybean oil. It can also be made from used cooking oil and from animal sources such as tallow. Biodiesel fuel is biodegradable, nontoxic, and essentially free of sulfur and aromatics so it is mostly clean burning.



Although not yet widely available, biodiesel can be found in many areas. It can often be purchased directly from biodiesel producers and marketers as well as many petroleum distributors. There are even biodiesel pumps at gas stations in some parts of the country. Altogether, approximately 23 million gallons of biodiesel were sold in 2003.



Although biodiesel fuel contains no petroleum, it can be blended with petroleum diesel fuel to create a biodiesel blend. The blend is usually referred to with a “B” followed by a number - for example, 100% biodiesel fuel would be referred to as B100. B5 (a blend of 5 percent by volume biodiesel with 95 percent by volume petroleum diesel) has been used in some fleet operations and by consumers. This is perhaps the most readily available blend today. However, other blends are also available such as B2, B10 and B20.



Biodiesel is made from renewable resources so it’s easier on the environment. Compared to petroleum diesel, biodiesel fuel has lower emissions of particulate matter, hydrocarbons (HC) and carbon monoxide (CO). However, biodiesel increases nitrous oxides (NOx) emissions. Most fuel-grade biodiesel is produced to an industry specification (ASTM D6751). It is important to note that this specification does not currently have an oxidation stability requirement which makes it difficult to guarantee the quality of the product over time. The performance characteristics of this fuel have been registered with the Environmental Protection Agency, so it is a legal motor fuel. However, there are other variations of biodiesel fuel available to consumers. This diversity in fuel types complicates the evaluation of biodiesel as an energy source. In general, however, biodiesel provides approximately 10 percent less energy per gallon of fuel when compared to distillate fuels.



Can I Use Biodiesel?

Technically, biodiesel will burn in any diesel engine with little or no modification to the engine or the fuel system. However, neither DaimlerChrysler or Cummins currently recommends the use of biodiesel blends above 5 percent (B5) for a number of reasons. First, biodiesel has a solvent effect. So biodiesel fuel may release deposits accumulated on tank walls and pipes from previous diesel fuel storage. This can clog filters, so precautions should be taken. Water is naturally more prevalent in biodiesel fuels than in distillate fuels, so care must be taken to remove water from fuel tanks. Current water separation filters are not as effective with biodiesel. Biodiesel fuels can also pose low-ambient-temperature problems for both storage and operation due to a higher fuel waxing temperature. Filters can plug, and fuel in the tank can solidify at low ambient temperatures if precautions are not taken. Biodiesel tends to have a negative effect on elastometers which means many gaskets, seals and hoses may be at risk. It can also have a corrosive effect on brass and bronze, which means certain valves and fittings may become compromised. Additionally, biodiesel fuel is an excellent medium for microbial growth. Microbes can cause fuel system corrosion and premature filter plugging.



So how concerned should you be about using a biodiesel fuel? First, keep in mind that there is a major difference between operating on pure (100 percent concentration) biodiesel fuel and biodiesel/petrodiesel fuel blends. In general, it seems that a B5 blend has no negative effects on the engine. A 100 percent blend, however, is a different matter. 100 percent biodiesel fuel is more likely to create the negative effects associated with biodiesel. Blends below 20 percent may minimize some of the potential negative effects, however, this is still under investigation.



DaimlerChrysler is continuously trying to promote the use of properly blended renewable fuels as a means of reducing the nation’s dependence on petroleum. According to DaimlerChrysler, diesel-fueled vehicles can be safely operated on up to 5 percent biodiesel blended in conventional diesel. DaimlerChrysler’s recommendations state that the biodiesel portion of the blend (5 percent) should meet the requirements of ASTM D6751, and the petroleum diesel portion of the blend (95 percent) should meet ASTM D975. Pure biodiesel is not recommended.



The bottom line is that more research needs to be done on biodiesel fuels. Cummins and DaimlerChrysler are actively researching the most common biodiesel fuels and their effect on engine performance, durability and reliability. In addition, Cummins is also currently part of a task force seeking to develop an ASTM stability standard and testing method for biodiesel fuel. It is certainly clear that biodiesel may offer an important fuel alternative for the future.



©2005 Cummins Inc. , Direct Marketing, Mail Code 60610, 500 Jackson Street, Columbus, IN 47201 U. S. A.

 

[KBennett]

Here is another thread where this was discussed at length:

https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130255&page=1&pp=15&highlight=Biodiesel

 

[Jumbo Jet]

There is lots of used motor oil out there. I read that a 10% -12% mix with #2 is not bad. Anyone got any great ideas on a filtering system for used motor oil?

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

"There is lots of used motor oil out there. I read that a 10% -12% mix with #2 is not bad. Anyone got any great ideas on a filtering system for used motor oil?"



Check out this thread:



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132459



I use a frantz sub-micron to keep my oil as pure as possible, and another Frantz over in my fuel system...



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[LightmanE300]

Gary - I know a few people that have run each around 75k on their own homebrew exclusively. It's not terribly hard to do correctly when armed with the right setup and knowledge. If you're considering it, there are several sites that sell a miniature brew your own kit for maybe $10 or $20, that include everything you need to create your own mini batch and easy instructions. Just have a bottle of veg oil handy. It really instills confidence if you're on the fence about trying to brew.



For the record I have never heard of a problem with anyone using SVO kits on a 3rd gen cummins, although I haven't really heard of anyone but one guy that is trying to run one. I don't mean to state that it won't work, just that I've seen some bosch studies that really recommend against it(supported by nasty injection equip pics), and the poisonous emissions.

 

[yenga80]

LightmanE300. read this. you might learn something.



the biodiesel advantage



Biodiesel is the only alternative fuel in the US to complete EPA Tier I Health Effects Testing under section 211(b) of the Clean Air Act, which provide the most thorough inventory of environmental and human health effects attributes that current technology will allow.



Biodiesel is the only alternative fuel that runs in any conventional, unmodified diesel engine. It can be stored anywhere that petroleum diesel fuel is stored.



Biodiesel can be used alone or mixed in any ratio with petroleum diesel fuel. The most common blend is a mix of 20% biodiesel with 80% petroleum diesel, or "B20. "



The lifecycle production and use of biodiesel produces approximately 80% less carbon dioxide emissions, and almost 100% less sulfur dioxide. Combustion of biodiesel alone provides over a 90% reduction in total unburned hydrocarbons, and a 75-90% reduction in aromatic hydrocarbons. Biodiesel further provides significant reductions in particulates and carbon monoxide than petroleum diesel fuel. Biodiesel provides a slight increase or decrease in nitrogen oxides depending on engine family and testing procedures. Based on Ames Mutagenicity tests, biodiesel provides a 90% reduction in cancer risks.



Biodiesel is 11% oxygen by weight and contains no sulfur. The use of biodiesel can extend the life of diesel engines because it is more lubricating than petroleum diesel fuel, while fuel consumption, auto ignition, power output, and engine torque are relatively unaffected by biodiesel.



Biodiesel is safe to handle and transport because it is as biodegradable as sugar, 10 times less toxic than table salt, and has a high flashpoint of about 300 F compared to petroleum diesel fuel, which has a flash point of 125 F.



Biodiesel can be made from domestically produced, renewable oilseed crops such as hemp.



Biodiesel is a proven fuel with over 30 million successful US road miles, and over 20 years of use in Europe.



When burned in a diesel engine, biodiesel replaces the exhaust odor of petroleum diesel with the pleasant smell of hemp, popcorn or french fries.



The Congressional Budget Office, Department of Defense, US Department of Agriculture, and others have determined that biodiesel is the low cost alternative fuel option for fleets to meet requirements of the Energy Policy Act.





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Copyright, National Biodiesel Board, used with permission.



For a wealth of information on Biodiesel, please go to the official website of the National Biodiesel Board at www.Biodiesel.org



NBB is the national trade association representing the Biodiesel industry as the coordinating body for research and development in the U. S.

 

[roverhybrids]

I've been running my 04. 5 Dodge on SVO for about 4000 miles.

I've also run b100 and other blend ratios of biodiesel. I've always considered power to be less when on biodiesel vs the increase they claim on the show Trucks etc.

here's a link to the SVO conversion on my truck.

http://www.roverhybrids.com/2004_Dodge_Ram.html

 

[JFaughn]

Heres a study that used the cummins engines. Biodiesel-Biofuels Research

 

[LightmanE300]

Rover - thanks for being the guinea pig who tries this first Nice looking setup!



Now I know svo is certainly cheaper for you, but how do you feel about the poisonous emissions it causes when burned, and have you inspected your injectors or IP internals yet? I guess 4k isn't much.

 

[JCrockett]

Just another thought, since this fuel has to be heated, what about us folks in the North country? I don't think this stuff would work too well at 20 degrees let alone below zero. You would have to develop a well insulated/heated fuel delivery system, adding to the cost.

Just another thought/observation thats all

 

[E7mack96]

The big question

What do you do with all of the glycerin that is produced in the process.



I have really though about making it in a large way, but don't know what I'd do with the Glycerin by-product.

 

[LDPetersen]

There is an old hippie in my town. Very nice guy. Very smart but never left the 60's. He visited with me at the diesel pump one nite when I was filling up. He drives an old Volvo diesel sedan. Not sure what year, but he drives 200 miles a day on the veggie oil. Seems to be working fine. It does smell like french fries when he drives by.