B.O.M.B. REPORT: added DD I's to VA&elbow!!

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Three of us met in the Republic of Vermont for a day of injector upgrades #ad
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, two 2K's and my 99, one Auto two 5spds all 4x4, all 3. 54.
Each of us already had a VA, two had boost elbows one of those had a functioning regulator style boost module(Articat) and one has a 4" exhaust(Mopar Muscle).
The day ended with all three with boost elbows, two with 275injectors, one with DDstageI's(me!), one has an un-installed DD boost module and the third has the parts for a regulator style boost module. #ad
In addition, one went home with a nice greeting card from the Vermont state police #ad
, trooper having said something about speeding several times in front of a trooper's home being like "farting in church"...

I have the Stage I's and can report that they do blow a little smoke when you stand on them. (OK with me)
I did a few test runs against the auto w275's and the 4" exhaust (MoparMuscle) and generally felt like mine was stronger. These were 70 to #censored# runs on the interstate. The last pass he seemed a tad stronger so I wonder if he kept the truck out of overdrive on that one? Neither were using any form of boost module but do have boost elbows and the VA.

Real world impressions: My truck is starting just fine when cold. I thought the idle was hunting a bit yesterday but don't notice it today (maybe air?). The cruise control seems to be fine on both the 275 and Stage I's. The part number on my Stage I's matched the OEM injectors exactly, kind of adding to the stealth of the VA... This is no HVAC, but I am honestly not trying to get that much HP (yet). I am now seeing acceleration from 70 on hills that were not showing much in the past. (clearly more juice available). The HP across the board is stronger. On the winding secondary roads last night I kept finding myself way below 40 in 5th because I did not sense the bogging that normally tells me to downshift. I can see I will have to re-learn the feel of the engine so I don't forget to shift. The top end just goes and goes and goes even without the boost module installed. When upshifting from a stoplight in normal driving, The truck is much snappier and I keep hitting the redline before I realize it. With the LS rearend, it is easy to break traction with this thing. I did it several times as I shot down an on-ramp last night upshifting all the way.

Bottom line, WAY COOL!!
Was it worth the extra money to go from 275's to Stage I's? If you have the mad money, yes. If you don't, you will be happy with the 275's as long as you stay out of way more powerful trucks.

If you have a VA and want more power, do the cheap boost elbow before you do anything else. It unleashes power that is hiding behind the OEM wastegate setting. VA should include these since the $7 part makes a world of difference (at least it did for me).

I need to do the exhaust and get the gauges in before I plug the boost module in.

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If you are looking for feedback on the planned ESPAR install that was to take place with the injector project, I had to cut my day short as I discovered my father went in the hospital with a heart attack. #ad
I guess the upside might be taking an 11 hour drive with the StageI's to Toronto. #ad
Hopefully I won't have the opportunity.

 

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David_VT -

Sorry to hear that about your father #ad


What exactly is the difference from 275 and your DD stage I's? I am getting them confused I think. How bad did the 275+VA smoke compared to your setup?

Any idea on the HP DD Stage I + VA + 4" exhaust with automatic will put ya at? #ad
(rearwheel horsepower) and specfically what transmission parts other then the conver and valve body need help? Or are those the only parts that are weak? Any and all info is appriciated! I am upgrading sooooooon!

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David, really sorry to hear about your Dad... stay strong and we will say a prayer for him and the rest of your family.

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same part numbers as stock... . YES I no longer want 275's I want DD stage 1's after reading about a fellow rammer in the 12v forum having his warranty revoked because of mods I think I will do stealth only mods just to play it safe

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The verdict on my combo of VA, 275's, and boost elbow w/module - #ad
I can honstly say that I am done with hp mods(stop laughing!) Really, I am satisfied. STAYING satisfied is contingent on keeping a healthy distance from HVAC and his band of high hp hooligans! I am especially pleased with the 60mph and up performance in fifth gear. I can't wait till the roads dry out down here so I can do some 0-60's! My best was 9. 2 with just the VA, I am hoping to get into low 8's now that I have the 275's.

David, bummer about your dad, I hope he will be ok #ad


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David, Our best wishes to your dad, mine gave me a good scare a couple years ago. Hope all is well.

OK you Vermont boys, you are on the right path as far as I'm concerned. One of you, preferably David, with your Stage I / VA / Boost enhancers need to get on the business end of a trailer. You probably won't get as heavy as i am but if you can get a car, truck, tractor ???? on a trailer go drag it around and let's see some results. I've said it before and still think for my use the DD #1's and VA are going to be the way to go if heavy towing and STEALTH are a concern. Not looking to break the sound barrier (HVAC) just would like to motor up the "hills" easier.

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David, our prayers are with you and your family. BOMB safe buddy.

SCOTT

Great White is gettin mean...
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scott, that is fuuunee! LOL any chance of miniturizing that graphic and putting it in the smilies collection #ad


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'00 2500 reg cab LB 4x4, 5spd, LSD, Van Aaken, 275 injectors, regulator boost fooler w/elbow, combo boost/egt guage, line-x, alumasport diamond toolbox, vernier idle controler, cold front, Warn front receiver, ventvisors and stepguards by autoventshade, OEM foglights, Super H headlight bulbs, my own "brite box", hide-a-hook, loadsaver, G-tech, name a factory option - I don't have it!

 

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Thx for the thoughts and prayers. Got a good Easter present today with news that he is responding well to treatment. #ad
We will know the extent of the damage late on Monday since this Toronto hospital does not have a cardiac cath lab on the weekends.

Trailer, hmm will think about where to find a loaded one. (my car hauler is up on blocks at the moment) There is an RV dealership down the road, maybe a faux test tow is in order once I get my gauges installed!!

Stage I's smoke more than 275's. Yep, Part number is the same!!

Later, off to call POP.

 

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Hey there David. Sorry to hear about your dad. Good to hear he is doing better. I have a question for you. I could really use your input since im pretty new to this game. I just ordered a va and 4inch exhaust. Im Just wondering about this elbow. It sounds like it will help quite a bit on the top end of the rpm's correct. What will one of these bring boost up to,and will it set off any codes or check engine lights?One more question do you need to run a module to get the bennifits of the elbow or what is its purpose. Thanks for any info you can give. I talked to one shop on the phone and they told me a elbow would'nt help any.

 

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David, glad to hear your father is doing better! #ad

 

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David! Glad to hear your father is doing better. Hope he comes away pretty much unscathed!
All this BOMBING blows me away! Good thing I don't have all the $$$ it takes because I probably would have to reserve enough for a new engine. Enjoy reading what all you Bombers are doing. I can not believe anyone would BOMB with Bomb sights! (guages).


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David_VT our thoughts and prayers are with you and your family. . hope you Father continues on good recovery road. . Gary

 

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Stubbe:
I don't think the elbow will do much without some 'box' which is adding more fuel (VA,Bluechip,TST, etc). If you are asking if the elbow will do something for a VA'd truck without a boost module (MAP pressure cheater), the answer is HELL YES. note:One data point suggests that the benefits of the elbow on a VA are noticed less on an Automatic.

Kimsy:
The guages are on order and since I am not doing any towing nor have I installed the boost module, I am not too concerned for a few days I am without a boost/pyro. My dirt roads near home are so bad with potholes and washboard that I can't possibly get the truck wound up enough to hurt it. ALSO, having seen what HVAC, My6, PIERS, etc have done to their trucks which far exceeds my wildest imaginations, I have no fear that my level of BOMBing will cause any real harm to the mighty Cummins. Remember the Cummins ISB has applications where it far exceeds what the dodge set up does. Marine, Bus, RV, FireTruck,etc. I would be far more concerned about dumping this kind of power into an OEM stock ram automatic transmission than into an ungauged 5-spd.

 

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All right guy's I dont get it. Why does the elbow work on the VA box and not on injectors? Does the VA box add fuel pass 20lbs of boost?

 

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UPDATE: I did not get the question above the first I read it. I admit it does seem odd that the boost elbow gave me a power increase when the MAP sensor should have told the ECM to defuel. When I get my gauges I will try to recreate all but the injector swap so I can better characterize what is going on.
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When I added the VA I noticed a great increase in power along with the engine seeming to run smoother at low RPM.

What I did not like was that the power dropped off like a rock above about 2200rpm. As I thought about it, it seemed to me that this was probably when the OEM wastegate was kicking open to relieve boost pressure. Assuming that I was correct here, I had to assume that the VA was indeed commanding more fuel to the stock injectors.

Later when I added the boost elbow, the dropoff at 2200 went away until just before the redline. This told me that the boost elbow was allowing more boost and confirming that the VA was adding more fuel.

Now having installed the DD stage I's, there is no power dropoff within the normal power range of the engine. If pulls like crazy. Thus I think I am confirming that the power dropoff with the stock injectors just before the redline was likely due to their inability to add enough fuel.

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Hey David and others... I have some questions.

My understanding is that as you add HP, you also add EGT right? So DD1's and a VA would add more heat than just DD1's. Looking at the price, and what has been the reported RWHP gain with a VA, wouldn't you be better off with DD2's, or is everyone doing DD1's and a VA for the stealth?

 

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david is correct about the va , 4" and boost elbow combo , i didn't think there was much of a change other than the fact that the elbow increased my boost to 30psi and did not fire the check engine light , but just a quick pass down the road is not a good indicator , i would need to get that combo back on the strip , which may happen in the near future to see its if any benifits .

david the last run was like the rest , i just stabbed the pedal thru the firewall , i never downshifted out of OD( its possible the convertor stayed locked) , at the [censored] speed we were travling i did not dare .

good news is my transmission is behaving nicely , but i do think that i slipped the convertor a couple times , what i feel is the difference between my set up 275,va,4",boost elbow and auto vs. david's dd stage1 , va, boost elbow ,stock exhaustand 5spd is when i hit it i'm pretty sure my convertor unlocked , i may be adding a mystery switch soon , that i think is were i would see better times especially at the strip ( which is where further testing will take place after the VT welcome wagon stop ) the unmodfied auto trans goes into lockup way to late , as soon as it gets into third it should lock and i haven't figured out how to do it without assist from a switch , be it a BD or homebrew.

diesel guy if you want to see a comparision of stock vs VA scroll down in the product forum and look for my post "JRE 4" exhaust shootout " there is some good info from my day at the dragstrip with the 4" exhaust and a VA.

 

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Diesel Guy,
I don't have my gauges yet, so can't tell you too much factual stuff, just SOP.

I have to admit that when I bought the injectors I was going for 275's and let them talk me up to the I's. HVAC knows I should go up to III's, if I have some mad money later in the summer maybe I will.

The stealth is a positive for sure, but worth $200??

Some say the higher injectors have cruise control issues.
Some don't like the smoke on the biggest injectors.

Find someone with the setup you want and pick their brains big time.

David

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