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In the TDR issue 33 I noticed the full page ad for the Banks Brake. Peaked my curiousity about it's shape and accomodation of the flow fromthe waste gate, thus (accoring to them) a smoother air flow.....



Seems like this might involve some cutting due to the added length?



Anybody have one or looked into them?



Anyone have a favorite exhaust brake other than Banks that I should be looking at?????



Thanks!
 
Banks Brake

Davison - I did a little investigation a several of weeks ago and started a "thread" about Banks brake for our trucks on this website. You might be able to search it out. They told me the brake cost $1,030 for the first 1,000 sold and then the price would increase about $150. I had some very interesting replies from some really neat people. The result is I have an appointment with DTT in Abbotsford for a little work next week. Regards, Lynn schwartz
 
Banks brake

Davison, I saw the Banks brake at an RV show about a month ago. Yes, it is longer and will require some cutting and welding. Per the Banks guy at the show, it comes with a new head pipe that will have to used. I was told pretty much the same info as Lynn at the show. The butterfly is a few inches farther from the turbo. I installed a BD brake last weekend, fit fine and works great. The BD does it's peak retarding at a little lower rpm than the others. They all work fine and you really can't go wrong with any of them.



Sam
 
Re: Banks Brake

Originally posted by Lynn_Schwartz

I had some very interesting replies from some really neat people. The result is I have an appointment with DTT in Abbotsford for a little work next week. Regards, Lynn schwartz



Lynn, you made a wise decision.



Enjoy the trip ;)
 
I have had both the Pac and the Jacobs brakes. The jacobs was hooked into the computer so there was a 3 second delay when you let up on the throttle before it kicks on, nice for shifting. The Pac I installed on the throttle without the computer (you can install it with the computer also) The brake kicks on the second you let up on the throttle. It was hard to get used to the shifts but works just the same.



P. S. I tow a 17,000 lb backhoe on a 5500 lb trailer and I wouldn't be without one..... :D :D :D :D
 
Boosts HP too???

I figure if you're gonna do it, add four of them. Then you should get 100HP and 4-wheel braking. :rolleyes:
 
The Banks Brake looks to be well engineered, but very expensive. Plus, I think their pressure regulation system sucks compared to BD's. I think a hole in the butterfly is a bad way to go, and creates an irritating hissing sound. My choice is for the BD Brake... Cheap, well built, and easy to adjust. :D
 
A few details about the Banks Brake:



Much effort has been put into the design to ensure that airflow is not compromised while the butterfly is in the open position (when the brake is not in use). Remember that your truck operates under power much more than it operates under braking conditions. In order to accomplish this improvement in airflow, a number of things have been done. The size of the outlet bore is much larger than all others: The stock outlet measures about 2. 660”, PacBrake and BD measure about 2. 900” and the Banks Brake is 3. 120”. But outlet bore is not the whole story. You really need to account for a complete cross-sectional flow area, since you are also introducing a butterfly into the picture. The Banks Brake has a cross-sectional flow area that is nominally the same as the factory outlet, while both BD and PacBrake are substantially more restrictive.



The butterfly is also moved downstream, away from the turbine wheel. This has a profound impact on the function of the turbine wheel. Exhaust gases are coming out of the spinning turbine wheel in a helix fashion. If a butterfly is introduced too close to the outlet of the turbo, this has a negative impact on the wheel and can actually hurt turbine response. By moving the butterfly downstream, the turbine is allowed to operate as intended. We have received numerous reports of better low end torque and better turbo spool up with the use of the Banks Brake, a natural occurance when turbine efficency is improved. The shape of the casting also addresses airflow. It is designed as a conical diffuser, which means that the internal diameter gets progressively larger, which also encourages proper turbine efficiency. When the engine has been modified for more power, the airflow issues become even more important, and we hear from our customers not only about better power with the Banks Brake, but also reduced EGT’s.



The outlet of the brake mates to either a 4” to 3” adapter for stock exhaust systems (one cut required, no welding required) or a 4” turbine outlet pipe designed to mate to a Banks 4” exhaust, or other 4” exhaust (some slight modification may be necessary depending on the system).



But the device is ultimately a brake. It is designed to provide maximum braking efficiency (which will vary depending on whether you have a 24-valve, 12-valve with stock exhaust valve springs, or 12-valve with upgraded valve springs). We use a fixed orifice design that is calibrated at the factory so that no adjustment is necessary by the installer, eliminating the possibilities for error that could cause engine damage. A fixed orifice also does not vary during the life of the brake.



The Banks Brake for a 24-valve mated to a stock exhaust is $895, which includes a stainless turbine outlet pipe. Prices for other systems (12-valve w/ stock springs, 12-valve with upgraded springs, variations that mate to 4” exhaust) will vary, but that gives you some sort of an idea when making comparisons. When you consider the additional content in the system, the price is very competitive.



Hope this is helpful.



Peter Treydte

Banks Power
 
PeterT -

I have asked this question many times with no success. According to teh website "to me" it appears as if your saying you will gain upto 30hp when using your brake. Does that mean if I put your exhaust brake on a stock truck, or even a modified truck I will gain 30hp?



Thank you.



PS - Moving this to products forum.
 
Nice for shifting?

Originally posted by wweverett

I have had both the Pac and the Jacobs brakes. The jacobs was hooked into the computer so there was a 3 second delay when you let up on the throttle before it kicks on, nice for shifting. The Pac I installed on the throttle without the computer (you can install it with the computer also) The brake kicks on the second you let up on the throttle. It was hard to get used to the shifts but works just the same.



P. S. I tow a 17,000 lb backhoe on a 5500 lb trailer and I wouldn't be without one..... :D :D :D :D



wweverett,



Having used engine brakes to shift as well as trying my BD, I agree it is nice. BD however, does not recommend doing this. I am wondering what Pac and Jacobs have to say about it?
 
KatDiesel-



The horsepower improvement that you will experience with a Banks Brake will vary depending on the configuration of the vehicle. We have seen as much as 30 HP gain when comparing from one brake to another on a truck with heavy power enhancement. Just putting a Banks Brake on a stock truck will give less of an improvement, but it is still enough to feel. One customer reported being able to pull sixth gear on a 9% grade where before he could only pull fifth. He also noted better mid-range torque and turbo response.



Peter Treydte

Banks Power
 
Originally posted by PeterT

KatDiesel-



The horsepower improvement that you will experience with a Banks Brake will vary depending on the configuration of the vehicle. We have seen as much as 30 HP gain when comparing from one brake to another on a truck with heavy power enhancement. Just putting a Banks Brake on a stock truck will give less of an improvement, but it is still enough to feel. One customer reported being able to pull sixth gear on a 9% grade where before he could only pull fifth. He also noted better mid-range torque and turbo response.



Peter Treydte

Banks Power



Please state it more clearly on the website that it is 30hp when comparing it to other brakes, not as a stand alone bolt on! I for one would be upset if I bought it and found out otherwise.
 
I installed a full 4" BD remote mounted brake about 6' down on my 4" exhaust system. No restriction when opened, brakes great. I have not towed with it yet. I recently sold my trailer and am looking for another before spring. If the braking empty is any indication, I will it on the mountain with a trailer behind me.



The install was easy, but I did my own welding. Works great. I plan to take it with me if I get another truck, so the 4" remote mount was the way to go for me. Cost @$700, with the shifter button.



Big John
 
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