BD not allowed in the US

[csutton7]

evidently BD was not allowed to cross the border so it looks like they'll be a no show at Vegas..... maybe Brian can elaborate if this is true... ..... something about the whole truth not being disclosed, so the border agents sent 'em home and told 'em not to return until the 21st---so the new TC will not get tested ----chris

 

[Bob Wagner]

I would bet that there were a few more reasons for the no show...

The saga continues...

I bet Piers made it #ad




[This message has been edited by Bob Wagner (edited 05-18-2001). ]

 

[Bill Kondolay]

Joe went to a lot of trouble to make the arrangements and allow all parties send transmisssion technicians to present and discuss their views.

I guess the border guards that got the bd guys also got Dunrite and Suncoast too!(lol)

I sucked, i ended up looking like a bully taking on poor old Vic,who has no transmission experience or knowledge but who i like by the way.

I think all things considered the technical portion went well, the absence of the other vendors spoke volumes as to their consideration of Joes efforts.

We did what we could under the circumstances and very much appreciated meeting those who attended.

Special thanks to Lazer Bob, and to Lawrence and the staff of Diesel Dynamics
for letting us use their shop.

I'll be honest with you guys, i drove the ultimate Dodge pickup truck, Lawrence has the best set up pick up truck i have ever driven. I have driven hundreds of them,all i can say is WOW!

Bill Kondolay
Diesel Transmission Technology

[This message has been edited by Bill Kondolay (edited 05-23-2001). ]

 

[HVAC]

#ad
What's that old clunker he drives got that we ain't got??? #ad
Seriously, I guess you are referring to the rig with the "P" pump. Pretty cool stuff I agree #ad

 

[Dak - BD Power]

csutton7. . you are mistaken, BD WAS allowed to cross the border, just ran into a US Border guard who was having a bad day and did not like the answers our guys gave them ;(

FYI the new TC DID get tested and was in STC's truck, too bad no one asked for a ride because it rocked!! #ad


Bob, where are you getting your info from, maybe you should check your sources, Piers never made it but I WAS there representing BD #ad
BTW Piers was thinking going down, we were discussing him and I jumping in his truck and driving, but his business commitments prevented him from attending... the hazards of starting and owning a business #ad


And Bill, 'poor old Vic' !!, aren't you older than me #ad
#ad
at least thats what Shanti said (lol).

I thought Joe and Bill from STC helped me to represent BD quite well, considering the fact that the technical portions were put on to INFORM the TDR group who attended of the products BD had too offer and give them a choice and an educated idea of how those products worked. In that I think we did quite well.

As to your statement that I have 'no transmission experience', you are mistaken, I could not have been a class A mechanic for the last 20 years or run an International Dealership service department without some experience! But I will agree your knowledge it quite a bit more in depth than mine, so apology accepted #ad


You are also right when you state that 'the absence of the other venders spoke volumes' but I do not believe they were insulting Joe by any means. He, John, and all the volunteers worked very hard to put on this show and it was greatly appreciated, what a great feast at the banquet, well done.

Vic
BD Tecnincal/Warranty



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Real BOMBers never get speeding tickets. . just a lot of warnings!

 

[Piers]

Hey Vic,
That's Technical not Tecnincal #ad

Wish I could have been there, too much stuff on the go though #ad

Did anyone video the great debate???
Bill I question you second guessing yourself... you're one of the most subtle guys I Know #ad


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Piers Harry
Piers' Diesel Research Inc.

 

[Andy Perreault]

Piers, your signature should read:
Piers Harry
Piers's Diesel Reasearch, Inc.
"Home of the knocking oil pan"

#ad

 

[Piers]

LOL That's a good one Andy.

 

[csutton7]

TDCanuk--looks like my reponse was deleted by the board shut down -so here it goes---apples to apples--let's talk just trannies here(if I can)--BD was promoting a new t/c against other companies t/c's, but your truck setup as outlined in your above post shows lockup devices so how can you compare your t/c to the other companies--if you wanted to promote the lockup devices-then ok-but that doesn't look like what happened--so the question is what does your t/c do that the other companies can't?? I know BD is big on the lockup devices, but if you want to promote something promote it on it's own merit, not with other devices to make it work, but if you're promoting the new t/c as being the cure for trannies disintergrating that use the lock up devices then say that. We consumers want something better and if your combo does that, then that's great, but that's not what I got from the posts about your new t/c... I just want the truth... and yes it was a diesel perforamnce rally and I understand you guys are in it to make money, but what needed to be done was you guys needed a couple of trucks-one setup with just the t/c and maybe that's what was planned, but those boys didn't get to come and play, and one with the lock up devices to show the benefits of those too... I don't think I can explain in any better---apples to apples and then show me how you made the apple better and then show me how you can make it even better than that with other devices..... I just don't understand how someone can beat their chest about something and then show off something totally different is all-maybe it's just me---chris

 

[Bob Wagner]

Have any TDR Members actually ordered and received the new X convertor?

Are you shipping product?

 

[Dak - BD Power]

Chris, I understand what you are saying. . I do believe we could have shown the new TC in the way you mention just by shutting off the TorqLoc and disabling the PressureLoc, which would have taken about 30 seconds to do.

Yes, I too would have liked to have gone up against BillK truck to truck but, I never thought of it (good idea). I will see if BillK is willing to set something like that up, I'm sure it would be a good test. A set of rules and tests would have to be drawn up but I'm sure if we can all loose our anamosity towards each other it can be done. Maybe a neutral site and neutral judge/driver (read Piers to drive and an observer) could be set up.

What do you think, good idea if it flys?

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Real BOMBers never get speeding tickets. . just a lot of warnings!

[This message has been edited by TDCanuk (edited 05-24-2001). ]

 

[csutton7]

TDCanuk--if the truck to truck test can be arranged that would be awesome---thanks for replying & understanding what I was saying--sometimes words over the internut can not depict what's really intended... good luck and I sure hope a test can be worked out as it benefits everyone-except the loser has to go back to the drawing board, but even then we should get a better product in the end--which is in no doubt what everyone wants----chris

 

[My 6 Eats V8's Old File]

I have one in my truck. It works well. WAY WAY better than the old version BD tc.

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96 4x4, 3. 54 posi, 6. 5"lift, 35" bfg m/t's and 35x14. 5x16. 5 boggers,dual stabalizers, aluminium wheels, sport headlights,billet grill, K/N 0880, NOS, Performance Diesel LPG, BD Pulling/Competition fuel injection pump,370hp marine injectors, ported head, Hx40 w/ 16cm2, 4" exhaust w/ 2 chamber Flomaster, BD copetition auto transmission and torque converter, Kenwood sterio System, Westach 60lb boost/ egt guage with warning light,aluminium bed rail covers,chrome diff covers, 5 foot traction bars,
475hp and 1050lb of torque on #2
530hp and 1140 with bullydog lpg maxed(only 55hp)
590hp and 1200 with lpg and nos
all done in 5th gear with 35's.
have a great day.
Adam

 

[csutton7]

My6eatsV8's--are you running with or without the lock up devices--I forgot to ask or look at your truck if you were---chris

 

[My 6 Eats V8's Old File]

it has lockup in 3rd or 4th.

 

[danandamy]

I had posted this earlier but it got ate during the server glitch so if it seems like a rerun forgive me.
What I said before was that really what it all boils down to is two different approaches to curing our transmission ills. I say transmission ills, since everyone's approach is valve body/torque converter I think it's safe to say the transmission itself is actually quite sound and that the torque converter is pretty much the culprit. Now it seems the first approach to improve torque converter performance in getting the power to the ground is via the lock up clutch. This seems to be the approach taken by virtually everyone in the industry except for Bill K. . The second approach is to improve the torque converter performance via the fluid coupling. Now, as I pointed out on my lost post, everyone has to make the best decision for them based on the information they have. I myself went with Bill K. 's set up at May madness. My reasons were that first, it seems to me that, as long as you watch your temps, it doesn't matter how hard you beat on that fluid couping you aren't going to hurt anything because, well, it's FLUID. The other thing is, it seems that all the manufacturers (GM, Ford, Dodge) didn't have any problem with their auto's until they started puting lock up clutches in them. The old 727's were virtually indestructable. Why? I believe it's because of no lock up clutch. So much so, that when I get my set up installed, I plan to hook up a mystery UNLOCK switch to disengage the lock up clutch completely for short spells when I'm throwing the power to her, especially when pulling. Now, like I said, everyone has to make the best decision for them and if I'm wrong on any of my points, I won't get my feelings hurt if someone points it out.

Daniel

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Wife's truck:
95 2500 SLT Laramie 3. 54 automatic JVC cd out of factory infinity system, southwest grill gaurd (a favorite amongst the deer population), K&N chunked, AFC adjusted, "gutless" cat, Geno's dual EGT/boost gauge, TST #6 plate slid all the way forward, AFC housing slid all the way forward, silencer ring removed

My truck:
95 2500 SLT Laramie 4x4 automatic, Geno's dual EGT/Boost gauge, Dodge cat test pipe (I'm still testing hehe), Geno's muffler eliminator pipe, AFC star wheel adjusted for smoke show, TST #6 plate slid all the way forward, AFC Housing slid all the way forwad. On order, DTT valve body and torque converter, I decided to finally upgrade my poor auto transmission after over 100,000 miles of trouble free service.