Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Best Fuel System Setup for ETH DD3/Drag Comp

[SConklin]

I have a 2002 ETH w/ DDIII's and an Edge Drag Comp. I recently killed my lift pump, and I was wondering what fuel setup would be best to maintain proper fuel pressure, and prevent this (to the best possible) from happening again. Right now, all I have is Wildcat banjo bolts. The rest of the fuel system is stock.

Thanks.

 

[dlange]

I added a carter pusher to mine. It seems to keep up fine, even on kill. Only about 80 bucks.

 

[Whitmore]

If I were you I would go with the new FASS system, there is an add in the latest TDR mag, look it up for all the details, I would frame mount it as close to the tank as possible and also add all new -8an lines from the tank including the pickup tube and clear up to the vp-44, the FASS is a pump and filter combo so you will then eliminate the oem filter as well, I would go to Cummins and buy a wiring pigtail and extend it to the FASS so the ECM could control the power to the pump.

 

[KLockliear]

You need 6+ PSI at WOT. Do what it takes to get that. Typically, at your level, fuel lines/fitting and a pusher pump.

 

[jrandol]

Make your own kit, it can be done using the stock LP mounted back by the tank and some fittings and good rubber fuel line. I did it all on mine for about $45 retail using good Brennan fittings and #2 Rated 1/2" hose (300psi ) and I get 15 at idle, 11-12 psi with the box on kill with Stage 3 injectors. Its sweet!! Did it all with a buddy in about 6 hours. You know how that goes, work time is really like 2 hours, 4 hours of parts huntin!



Jeff

 

[Bob Wagner]

dual carters are popular in the northwest with great results

 

[Diesel Freak]

Originally posted by Bob Wagner

dual carters are popular in the northwest with great results

not as popular as one might think!

 

[RSnaith]

On a truck at your HP level, the only thing you need is to open up the lines between the lift pump and VP44 to -8AN, and completely eliminate the banjo fittings. We're been doing this on several 400 - 425 HP trucks, and getting 6 - 8 PSI of fuel pressure at WOT.

 

[TomGolden]

My truck mods are similar to yours, see my sig. I have a 7 PSI Carter pusher mounted back by the tank. So far, I have only done mild fuel line upgrades, changing out the banjos for Weber style fittings and -AN6 stainless steel braided lines from just before the OEM lift pump through the fuel filter up to the VP44. I run ~18 PSI at idle, 13 - 15 PSI at cruise and at WOT with the drag Comp on kill, I pull it down to ~10 PSI. I am still using the OEM pickup system into the tank.



When I finally get around to it, I would like to tap into the side of my TransferFlow tank about 1 - 2" up from the bottom, and use a bulkhead fitting and then run -AN8 or -AN10 lines from the tank to a completely aftermarket pump (I was looking seriously at the PR 4200 series... ) and then an aftermarket filtration setup, then into the VP44.



Tom

 

[Diesel Freak]

Originally posted by RSnaith

On a truck at your HP level, the only thing you need is to open up the lines between the lift pump and VP44 to -8AN, and completely eliminate the banjo fittings. We're been doing this on several 400 - 425 HP trucks, and getting 6 - 8 PSI of fuel pressure at WOT.

BINGO!



All I would add is to move the OEM lift pump aft. I moved mine to a place above the rear xfer-case crossmember.



WOT, I dont see any less than 7-8 psi.



15 at idle, and 13 at fwy speeds

 

[jrandol]

Originally posted by Diesel Freak

BINGO!



All I would add is to move the OEM lift pump aft. I moved mine to a place above the rear xfer-case crossmember.



WOT, I dont see any less than 7-8 psi.



15 at idle, and 13 at fwy speeds

Exactly!!! Make it a pusher pump instead of a sucker pump. The Carter likes to push but it really sucks at sucking I'll tell ya 1/2" hose looks awful cool on the truck, looks like garden hose!! I laugh every time I look at it!

 

[RSnaith]

Originally posted by Diesel Freak

All I would add is to move the OEM lift pump aft. I moved mine to a place above the rear xfer-case crossmember.

Actually, if you live in an area with lots of rain, or lots of slush, we _heavily_ recommend leaving the stock lift pump in its factory location. Rain and slush will rot these pumps out. We actually heavily recommend leaving these pumps in their factory locations no matter where you live. We see 15 - 16 PSI at idle, 10 - 14 PSI at cruise (depending on HP level and speed), and the least we've seen at WOT is 7 PSI on a 450 HP truck with the pump in the stock location using good -8AN lines, swivels, and custom fittings that are not restrictive like the Earls fittings and other aluminum fittings available off the shelf.



The line size from tank to lift pump and setup on the factory Dodge is just about ideal for the Carter electric pump. Go ahead and pull the teflon line off of the steel line at the firewall. You can drain an entire tank of fuel in under 15 minutes. Thats a 120 GPH transfer rate, which is more than what the Carter is rated for. In other words, we have no issues at all leaving the stocker right where it is.



These little Carters have been in use in the agricultural world for many, many years now, often in pull - configuration like the Dodge, only worse. We've got a little electric Carter rotary (same design as the Dodge pump) on an 8600 White combine here. Its 15 years old, and pulls fuel from a tank thats 10 feet below it. Total running fuel line is 23 feet from tank to pump. These pumps are perfectly capable of pulling diesel fuel.

 

[csutton7]

run the power to your pump off a 30amp relay---this will insure a longer life, Dodge changes the voltage on our pumps at start up and I believe this hurts our pumps---also I don't believe anyone has gone as long as my custom setup which is 100% gravity feed to an Aeromotive pump(2yrs 2 months without a pump failure)---remember in a a 2 pump setup if one pump dies your dead in the water unless you plumb around it-- this was stated earlier and is a must to remember----electric pumps are pushers they are NOT suckers----chris

 

[Diesel Freak]

Originally posted by csutton7

remember in a a 2 pump setup if one pump dies your dead in the water unless you plumb around it

This is the reason why I hate the dual series pump sytstem#@$%! #@$%! #@$%! #@$%! #@$%!

 

[WadePatton]

another satisfied customer

Originally posted by RSnaith

On a truck at your HP level, the only thing you need is to open up the lines between the lift pump and VP44 to -8AN, and completely eliminate the banjo fittings. We're been doing this on several 400 - 425 HP trucks, and getting 6 - 8 PSI of fuel pressure at WOT.

Oo. YES! Oo.



I posted a huge install/review of this kit.