Bio Diesel and warranty

[WMcGuire]

I read that page several times and I don't see anywhere that it says the engine is covered by the Cummins company, I intrepret it as saying that the Cummins Diesel engine in the dodge trucks is covered by warranty beyond the basic Dodge warranty

 

[WMcGuire]

actually I don't know a darn thing about bio-diesel but if DC allows B5 as an acceptable fuel, if it gets through the injectors into the cylinder in a combustible mixture at the proper time seems like it should be ok to use it if the lube oil has the proper detergents to keep the engine clean. most of the information about bio-diesel indicates it is processed from grains, but if used cooking oil is used then there are some animal fats also, are these neutralized somehow to remove the acids?

 

[TexBamBam]

I am running B20 Bio Willie and its great stuff... runs real quiet and smooth. Lots of power..... and no smoke on wot..... SWEET. Saving the enviroment is almost fun...

 

[LightmanE300]

The answer to the original poster's question is that biodiesel will not affect your warranty period. The reality of the situation is that if you have a problem what is fuel related, you are responsible, without question. Whether you get a bad tank of fuel at a dino diesel station or biodiesel and it clogs or ruins some fuel system component, that is not a manufacturer's defect, and they will charge you for the repair either way. What it comes down to is do you feel comfortable and safe enough yourself to risk your dime running the stuff? That's the question you should be asking. Anyway I filled some 65 gals of b20 into my truck last night, it definitely likes it.

 

[67guzzler]

The answer to the original poster's question is that biodiesel will not affect your warranty period. The reality of the situation is that if you have a problem what is fuel related, you are responsible, without question. Whether you get a bad tank of fuel at a dino diesel station or biodiesel and it clogs or ruins some fuel system component, that is not a manufacturer's defect, and they will charge you for the repair either way. What it comes down to is do you feel comfortable and safe enough yourself to risk your dime running the stuff? That's the question you should be asking. Anyway I filled some 65 gals of b20 into my truck last night, it definitely likes it.

100% Agreed. Now the question is will it like B95 or B100?

 

[TexBamBam]

I would start with B-5 or B20 not B100... . just my 02

 

[67guzzler]

I would start with B-5 or B20 not B100... . just my 02

Bam-Bam,



I agree -- you're right. I'm just so disgusted with our being dependant on people who live 1/2 way around the world who hate our way of life, our culture and values for our petrolium energy needs. Anything I can do to make my country be independant of the middle east by removing the power they have over us I want to do full tilt. I've had it with societies who happily take US money and then fund people to harm me, my neighbors, my culture and way of life with that same money through the back door to fundamentalist groups and smiling to my face and acting like they don't know what they're doing.



So I really want to run B100. I'd pay $5. 00 per gallon for B100 if I had to (luckily I don't) because I think it's patriotic and good for my country. But I don't know if it's good for my truck and like you said, B20 is better to start with. I just want to have a bigger impact than a 20% reduction in petrolium.



Sorry for the rant. I just get steamed about this and to run B100 (B95 actually) is the strongest statement I can think of that I can make. I'd just like to know if my truck can make it with me... . :-laf

 

[Ereynolds72]

Yes, all those items are covered to 100,000 miles. NO they are not covered by Cummins. That warranty booklet is from DC and that is who provides your warranty.

I'll buy that...



Sorry for getting off track on the thread. I was interested in the bio diesel until I read that post on the Cummins site. There's one fuel station near me locally and if its recommended only to run 5%; it doesn't seem worth it to drive out of the way to us the bio dieslel. Has anyone experienced any ill-effects of using a higher concentration?

 

[dawall]

If your read your owners manual on your dodge cummins it will say right in there that you can run a 5% blend of bio-diesel in your cummins

So, if only 100% biodiesel is available do you throw in, ~2 gallons, into an empty tank then fill with #2 diesel? Will that be enough to mix it up?



Has any one actually used B100 in an 04. 5 and up vehicle? What are the reasons for not using it at concentrations above B5?



Dan

 

[67guzzler]

I'll Be The Test Rat...

Has any one actually used B100 in an 04. 5 and up vehicle? What are the reasons for not using it at concentrations above B5?



Dan

I'll be the test rat. I'm planning to get up to running B95 on my 3 month old truck with 3000 miles. I'm going to get a couple tanks of B50 and then move up to the B95.



There is a question that the inconsistent viscosity of biodiesel, even 6751 certified, might cause havoc on the injection system of the series 600's. But I can't FIND ANYONE WHO HAS HAD A B95/B100 FAILURE yet. If I get some tangible information suggesting that running B95 / B100 is a deathwish, I'll cease and desist.



But for now, I guess I'm willing to find out as I'd like to actually know once and for all. Other people risk their trucks for things. Try new clutches. Try new torque converters. Try new programmers / boxes / chips. I'll try this.



For me, it's 100% political. Not interested in saving a buck. Not going to put stickers on the truck promoting biodiesel. I'm not a rebel. I think that's all well and good, mind you. Just not me.



What I really want is to take away the power people 1/2 way around the world who don't share our values have over us. They have a huge influence on the world market price for energy, they take our money, smile in our faces and then funnel that money out the back door to fundamentalist entities who hate our way of life and want to hurt us. We've (our leaders and our culture of consumption) let this happen. It's my fault as much as anyone's.



So now I'm over it. B95 -- Here I come.



"Injectors -- Hold on tight. We're doing our patriotic duty. "



Wish us well... .

 

[btanner]

actually I don't know a darn thing about bio-diesel but if DC allows B5 as an acceptable fuel, if it gets through the injectors into the cylinder in a combustible mixture at the proper time seems like it should be ok to use it if the lube oil has the proper detergents to keep the engine clean. most of the information about bio-diesel indicates it is processed from grains, but if used cooking oil is used then there are some animal fats also, are these neutralized somehow to remove the acids?

yes any good manufacture is going to go through a titration process wherein they test the fuel and add lye and methenol in differring amounts to make the fuel either more basic or more acidic depending on the wvo. I have read a lot about it and the only real down side it seems is that the first couple of tanks you are going to want to carry an extra fuel filter because it's going to clean out your fuel system and more than likely clog a filter. Haven't heard of anyone actually not making it home with a clogged filter just big losses of power due to the restriction. I have a 12v so I'm not nearly as concerned about the fuel system since I'm pretty sure you could probably pour beer in my tank and the truck would run. I'm going to be running a high percentage of biodiesel in the next couple of weeks. I guess I'll report back on how it goes. There are several 20k plus trucks running biodiesel including some new ones.



-ben

 

[TexBamBam]

Go for it btanner, there are a lot of websites out there that offer a lot of help... here is one that is real good and you can look for info by state...

http://forums. biodieselnow.com/

 

[LightmanE300]

Jgann, seeing your motivations for using bio (highly commendable) I do not see any reason to start at b50 and then move up, just throw b100 in the tank right away... it won't make any difference...

 

[TexBamBam]

I saw on one site that several folks have been running B100 for several thousand miles with no problem... 50k or more... so it cant be a serious problem if you are getting good quality fuel. Not vegie oil...

 

[Ereynolds72]

Well, I filled up with B100 last night from SA White in Marietta, GA. I had about 1/4 tank of petrol-diesel so it took about 24 gal to fill up. It was $2. 33/gal where diesel is right at about $3. 00/gal around here. So far I can't tell any difference in the way runs. Smells different though. I changed the fuel filter and will keep an eye on that. One thing I thought of was every other tank filling up with petrol diesel so there's always a blend.

 

[67guzzler]

Thanks guys! I've got two 55 gal drums of B95 ready to go. Unfortunately when it arrived, I had filled up the night before with Petro. So now I'm down to about 2/3 and I'll prolly just "just throw B95 in the tank right away" (thanks for the encouragement LightmanE300) over the weekend. Along with donating to various charities regarding Katrina and using as much biodiesel as possible, I just don't know what else I can do for my country right now.