Bio-diesel Avalibillity In Ohio

[DieselMinded]

Any body know of any place around zanesville,lancaster ,newark, or logan area that sells bio-diesel??



Is it alot cheaper than regular diesel??



Been looking for a cheap alternative... ... . what with diesel being 20 cents more /gal than premium gasoline . :{ not sure how their figgering that price stinkin fuel oil burners up north need to cut some fire wood

 

[LightmanE300]

downward distributing in carrolton ohio may be your closest. Maybe mcwherter's in delaware ohio. A quick call to 411 information can get you set up. Don't expect it to be cheaper than diesel. . sorry.

 

[rowilson]

Carpenter Oil in Newark sells it in drum or 5 gallon buckets. It's to be blended with regular diesel. I don't know of anyone in the area that sells it at the pump though.

 

[CEpp]

whats it cost?

 

[DieselMinded]

I heard today On MRN Radio that its going to be more expencive than reg diesel and that it may be LAW to have 20% BIo in your diesel if your a comercial driver...



I coulnd'nt beleave any of that when I heard it ... . but thats what they said



DM

 

[Headshot zod]

That would be a great law... ... ...

 

[DieselMinded]

How is that good ... ... The only way I can think of is for farmers all 16 of them thats left in these parts... ... ... ... ... ... Most people just cant support there self on a farm anymore Its sad but true.



As for the MILLIONS of truckers There Going to Pay More money For 20% watered down Diesel ... . Well I guess Cooking Oil'd down Diesel. Thats not too fair IMO.



Now if it was Cheaper (like It Should BE) and maint cost on the trucks never increased then it would benefit everyone across the board .



HOW Can they Figger It to be More Money for Less Diesel ??????



Whats The Point of even making Bio-diesel ... . Other than Tree Huggers????





Dm

 

[Jumbo Jet]

Whats The Point of even making Bio-diesel ... . Other than Tree Huggers????

Ever hear of OPEC??

 

[Timbeaux38]

Yeah- why would we want to free ourselves from OPEC- I kind of like price swings in fuel prices- keeps me on my toes- Besides as more people jump on the band wagon and start to produce and buy bio, I doubt the laws of economics will come into play and force prices down, I bet the tree huggers will keep the price up just to screw us------



Sorry had to rant a minute-



Bio will get cheaper as more consumption takes place. More producers will get into the game and prices will be forced down because of the law of supply and demand. This will not happen overnight, but it will happen in the future. Go Google OPEC and read up on how they control oil prices, not your government, the oil companies, or the tree huggers and you will see why bio is a good thing. The reason it is expensive now is there are relatively few producers and the cost of refining the product is high- hence higher prices-





I'm not trying to flame anyone- I want everyone to know the facts

 

[DieselMinded]

Makes sence T-38



I cant wait to start buying my fuel for $1. 00 a gallon again.



I personally feal Oil/fuel prices need to be regulated Coast to Coast ..... DIESEL PRICE $1. 50 A gallon every where for the next year then it'll be re evaulated . call it communist or what ever but I cant stand how these Oil companies rape the consumer just because they want a 10th house on the beach somewhere All they have to do is raise it 1/10th a cent and they will gain thousands.



DM



Im In FOR It Now :> :> :>

 

[Timbeaux38]

You are almost right-

It is not the oil companies setting the price- it is OPEC- They sell the Crude oil for what ever price they want and they will get it because they are the only game in town- domestic oil production does not amount to crap compared to the amount of oil we buy from the middle east. So when they move prices up- that increase is passed on to you. The government cannot subsidise fuel nor can the oil companies carge $1. 50 per gallon and stay in business when the market wants $2. 20 per gallon to remain at equilibrium-



OPEC= monopoly=bad

 

[DieselMinded]

DOWN WITH OPEC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Whats all this BArrel talk



I hear people complaing because the Oil we use now was bought at last years price but when ever the Oil goes up we get charged the new price while if the Oil goes down we still pay the same !! TRUE ??



SO thats not OPEC thats The Oil Compainies If the statement is true.



I figgered the Diesel prices went up because of FUELOIL burners heating there homes. and when we get to summer it will go back down to being cheaper than reg gas. ???



dm

 

[Timbeaux38]

The oil companies have to adjust the prices they charge based on OPEC's futures market-



If you sell apples, buying them for 1. 00 per pound and selling them for 1. 50 per pound and you know that in a month that you will have to pay 1. 50 per lb to buy them, you will charge 2. 00 per lb now to be able to afford them in a month-



The main reason we see prices as high as they are is becaused of the increased consumption in asia as they prepare for the next olympics- sounds funny, but you have alot more trucks, and equipment running over there than usual- and a fixed amount of oil that OPEC will produce- that is why we saw prices go up last summer and early fall before the fuel oil heaters realy had an effect- not to mention we are at war and consuming lots of fuel in our efforts abroad- Bio will no doubt be a good alternative in the future, there is just simply not enough demand for it now

 

[radyvolk]

There is a bio diesel plant being built in Defiance, OH. They are in the prosses of rehabing a building.



I was talking to our local electrical contractor who is bidding on this job. He said one light switch will cost $400. 00. Has to be explosion & vapor proof. They will have to sell quite a few gallons of fuel to recoup costs like this.



Randy

 

[WBusa]

Back to the original topic of this thread, for a moment... .



There are a couple of good sources for info on where to buy biodiesel. The first is a database of retailers maintained by the National Biodiesel Board (the industry's trade organization. See:

http://www.biodiesel.org/buyingbiodiesel/retailfuelingsites/default.shtm



The other is a database maintained by the US Dept. of Energy -- its a station locator for a bunch of alternative fuel types: biodiesel, hydrogen, propane, you name it. See:

http://afdcmap.nrel.gov/locator/LocatePane.asp

This one has a cool route-planner tool (helps you construct a route from X to Y across country, going from filling station to station), plus a bunch of nice search tools (example: "show me all the biodiesel stations within 25 miles of zip code 16053").



I'm very enthusiastic about biodiesel. Not only does it make sense geopolitically (get that OPEC needle out of our veins), but a huge amount of research has shown that diesels run cleaner and smoother on biodiesel than on dino fuel, and the stuff has superior lubricity. Bear in mind that Herr Docktor Diesel's first engine ran on peanut oil! 100% biodiesel (called "B100") isn't practical in cold climates... it gels too easily, and conventional anti-gel compounds don't prevent that. However, a blend of up to 20% biodiesel and 80% dino-diesel ("B20") is practical, and still gives you most of the cleaner/smoother benefit.



Unfortunately, REAL biodiesel (i. e. , stuff made from virgin soy or rapeseed oil, to ASTM specs) is more expensive than dino diesel, and probably will be for some time yet (until a barrel of oil hits maybe $70... but be patient, that day's coming Real Soon Now, sigh). There are homebrewers out there making their own 'moonshine' biodiesel from waste vegetable oil (from fryers at hamburger stands, chinese restaurants, or potato chip factories). This stuff can be real cheap (like $0. 70 per gallon) if you don't mind running mystery meat through your CTD . I personally have a problem with that. This spring I'm going to start burning real B20, just for fun. Hey, if its good enough for Willie, its good enough for me!: http://www.wnbiodiesel.com



BTW, there's a looooong biodiesel thread here: https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103463&highlight=biodiesel

 

[LarryM]

I've read a lot of good stuff about biodiesel lately, even before Willie got into the act. The talk about OPEC and the cost of oil,etc. , and the cost/availability of biodiesel is right on, However, don't forget about our elected officials who tack on the state fuel taxes. Each state for the most part does it differently, but you will be surprised at how much tax is on a gallon of fuel. Just thought I'd throw that in for the sake of conversation ... ... .

Larry

 

[Kennywould]

There are homebrewers out there making their own 'moonshine' biodiesel from waste vegetable oil (from fryers at hamburger stands, chinese restaurants, or potato chip factories). This stuff can be real cheap (like $0. 70 per gallon) if you don't mind running mystery meat through your CTD . I personally have a problem with that. This spring I'm going to start burning real B20, just for fun. Hey, if its good enough for Willie, its good enough for me!: http://www.wnbiodiesel.com



Thats why I was so hungry yesterday on the interstate! Must of been following one of those moonshiners :-laf :-laf

 

[wtfd6]

There is a bio diesel plant being built in Defiance, OH. They are in the prosses of rehabing a building.





i would love to have a somewhat local place with bio. mark

 

[nherman]

I know a guy that works at a refinery in wash. state. He told me that diesel prices are up cause the bunny huggers want the sulfer out of diesel fuel. So the oil companies jack the price up to pay for whatever they need to remove the sulfer. BS????

 

[WBusa]

bunny huggers want the sulfer out of diesel fuel. So the oil companies jack the price up to pay for whatever they need to remove the sulfer. BS????

Not BS, but way oversimplified. Yes, federal law has mandated reductions in diesel sulfur, and sure, that will have some impact on producers' costs... which you can bet they'll pass along to consumers. But the effect of that is trivial compared to the influence of oil prices... the simple fact is, the price of a barrel of oil today is TWICE what it was in May 2003.



I attend every meeting of the International Bunny Hugger Conspiracy, so I can tell you we had nothing to do with increasing the price of oil You don't get to pin that one on us.



Also on the topic of fuel pricing: a lot of folks have expressed the opinion that biodiesel should be a lot cheaper than dino-diesel. I felt the same way until recently, when I looked up the current price on the commodities markets for soybean oil (the most common feedstock for biodiesel). For a standard 60,000 lb. lot its currently running about $1. 90 a gallon. That's before taking into account the cost to convert it to bio-diesel (plant and labor costs, waste disposal, transportation), plus the profit the manufacturer needs to make, plus the profit the retailer needs to make, plus state and federal taxes, plus the fact that (I'm guessing here) you prolly get less than a gallon of bio-diesel out of a gallon of soybean oil. So I'm thinking we won't be seeing cheap bio-diesel any time soon, unless farmers start planting a LOT more soybeans.