Bio Diesel Ban In Tx?

[olznut]

http://www.alternative-energy-news.info/biodiesel-banned-texas/ Looks like big oil is at it again.

 

[PHeadings]

NO2 my arss, It's more like, ... uhh, what are we going to do with or oil fields :{

 

[rbattelle]

. . despite the best efforts of BCOT and results from a recent study conducted by the Department of Energy’s National Renewable Energy Lab showing biodiesel to have negligible NOx emissions, the TCEQ seems ready to enact the ban come 2007.

Brilliant.



Ryan

 

[bighammer]

If there were truly an environmental issue, wouldn't California (as well as a few eastern states) be about 3 steps ahead of Texas?

 

[JVolpe]

I guess the poor Willie will be out of business then.

 

[obie1]

Well I'll have to say you all keep the synthetic stuff and have a good day, we'll keep the oil and become a republic again. That way you all can pay higher prices for the oil and natural gas we ship up north.



Careful about always jumping in feet first we all here like to test the depth of the pool before we jump in.



Think we have corruption in the oil and gas industry just take a look at the government subsidies for growing certain grains or not growing certain grains.





You all have a nice day

 

[TheBigSgt]

I can't even get to the site. Who would enforce this. I dought the IRS will! They going to put a french fry sniffer on every corner?!

 

[JUrish]

Yea, I notice these clowns down't say a thing about B100... Who cares. . I will continue to produce my own. If they really wanted to clean up smog, stopping giving waivers to these idiots with the junk heap cars spewing more smoke than the queen mary. make a law that lets and officer video tape and then stop these cars and impound them on the spot... 50 bux says, the drivers won't even have car insurance... .

 

[bighornram]

Well I'll have to say you all keep the synthetic stuff and have a good day, we'll keep the oil and become a republic again. That way you all can pay higher prices for the oil and natural gas we ship up north.



Careful about always jumping in feet first we all here like to test the depth of the pool before we jump in.



Think we have corruption in the oil and gas industry just take a look at the government subsidies for growing certain grains or not growing certain grains.





You all have a nice day

Come on get real... Have at it and you have a nice day! Record profits and record high prices, it can ONLY be going in the deep pocket of big oil. I will keep the synthetic stuff and laugh all the way to the bank, as I pass the gas stations.



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[obie1]

Come on get real... Have at it and you have a nice day! Record profits and record high prices, it can ONLY be going in the deep pocket of big oil. I will keep the synthetic stuff and laugh all the way to the bank, as I pass the gas stations.



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So you don't work in the oil and gas industry do you. What is the cost of one of the dry hole in deep water GOM? Try 65-80 Million. Did the oil and gas industry ask for government help after Katrina? after Rita? Damage to all the platforms both production and exploration (Billions)? Didn't hear word guess they were to busy up at night trying to figure out how to put it to John Q Public.



Understand the industry first, (been in it for 25 years never knew if I had a job or not for many years, now finally the ball is in my court) the great press isn't always right. Three sides to every story yours, mine and the truth.



Can't wait to see the Government Agriculture Administration get involved with Bio-Diesel????? Think your having fun now!!

 

[bighornram]

So you don't work in the oil and gas industry do you. What is the cost of one of the dry hole in deep water GOM? Try 65-80 Million. Did the oil and gas industry ask for government help after Katrina? after Rita? Damage to all the platforms both production and exploration (Billions)? Didn't hear word guess they were to busy up at night trying to figure out how to put it to John Q Public.

What does the high cost of a dry hole have to do with it? So you want us to believe that the industry didn't include a 65-80 million dry hole in their losses? Reported profits are from the bottom line, after operating costs. We are to believe also that repairs from Katrina & Rita were out of pocket and not included in operating costs for the year? Still RECORD PROFITS REPORTED means after expenses. I didn't calculate the industries PROFITS they did.

Understand the industry first, (been in it for 25 years never knew if I had a job or not for many years, now finally the ball is in my court) the great press isn't always right.

It doesn't matter what I understand about the industry. I didn't report record profits. Profits are profits, if you are saying the press falsely reported these profits, OK, then say it. I am to believe that what is reported in the press is the result of publicly released information.

Three sides to every story yours, mine and the truth.

This is true as we both are forming our opinions from different informational sources. From where I am sitting, I see the prices at the pumps, increasing overnight by tens of cents while the price/barrel of crude is dropping. The oil industry seems consistently inconsistent.

Can't wait to see the Government Agriculture Administration get involved with Bio-Diesel????? Think your having fun now!!

Biodiesel can be drop shipped because it is considered vegetable oil and not a fuel. The great Republic of Texas can outlaw alternative fuels all they want. There will still be people putting vegetable oil in their diesel engines, just like Rudolph Diesel did.

 

[bighammer]

Since this really isn't 3rd gen related, I'm moving it to the "other" forum.

 

[RCash]

Take a hike big oil

Who cares? The best first option is to just make it on your own. If you have issues with trusting it in your CTD, then get a cheap diesel generator and run it in there for a few thousand hours. The disinformation that it is somehow more hramful is just pure rubbish. Be an American, prove it to yourself, otherwise, you deserve to pay $3 a gallon plus for your fuel. The oil companies are attacking this thing on all fronts, I have seen it... seething disinformation in every quarter. Why? It threatens their dividend report. They, like other giant organizations (aka RIAA), fear true competition, so they do everthing possible to marginalize and squash it. Don't listen to them. Prove it to yourself. For Pete's sake.

 

[obie1]

I agree, I prefer to form my own opinion. There isn't any bio-diesel stations I am aware of here in Houston. What to do? or Brenham for that fact.



Concerning oil company high profits... . oil companies do not set the crude prices... Period. Its the futures traders in New York that set those values based on consumption and production... . Its is a fact there are not enough refineries here in the USA because of the restrictions EPA places on them and the difficulty for permitting them This makes the construction cost for them so high that it drives the "profits" to negligible numbers. So the crude is refined overseas and shipped here (pay more).



The oil companies are making astronomical profits because they have (because of previous history) learned to become so lean in operations since 1982 - 2002 that the profitable crude extraction prices were on average running about $20-25 /bbl. (you and me paid $1. 50 at the pumps)



But market prices are 3 to almost 4 times that, I assure you drilling, casing, cement and services are going up accordingly. (you and me paid $3. 25 at the pumps why not 4. 50 - 6. 00?)



So here is a scenario, you have a product and have learned to make it and sell it at a profit for $25. However, the whole world wants it and wants it faster than you can make them so much that the other markets (besides the US) are willing to pay $75 for it. But wait your and honest businessman and you hold out at selling them for $30 because you don't want to take advantage of people. Not!!!



What I hope to convey is I am for alternative energy sources not because of price and profits but because of availability... ... and..... independence. We all have a right to our opinions and I respect yours hopefully as much as you respect mine. For whatever reason the legislators are trying to ban bio-diesel in Texas is based on NOX emissions I 'm not that naive not to believe that oil is not involved but by the same respect I am also well aware that I am already paying 20 to 30 cents more per gallon for ULSD diesel (real) than regular gasoline. (Which by the way, the refinement for gasoline takes more steps in the cracking process. ). All of that is for cleaner air as well.



Sorry if I have offended anyone but I really try to be empathetic and look at all sides of a situation. Just as much as you all do as well. I really appreciate a good debate because that opens our eyes to the ... . rest of the story.



Please have a Merry Christmas and a safe New year.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Concerning oil company high profits... . oil companies do not set the crude prices... Period. Its the futures traders in New York that set those values based on consumption and production

SO, to repeat a question I have asked several times before, WHY ARE THERE "commodities traders" existing and slurping up profit BETWEEN the big oil companies and those overseas producers? WHY they accepted and allowed to have any impact upon what the oil companies pay? WHY can't the oil companies deal DIRECT with the suppliers, setting stable long term contract pricing that assures them, and us of stability at the pump?



"Commodities" are usually related to goods with unpredictable and erratic production and flow - like wheat, rice and such - that is HARDLY true of crude oil where the supply is relatively constant and predictable, as is the transportation and refining.



We gripe and whine over the taxes placed upon fuel by various governmental agencies - but THOSE at least return SOME of those dollars in roads and related benefits to the public.



But oddly, FEW complain about commodity traders - WHAT do the traders "return" to our society - what benefit are they, either to the oil companies OR the general public, and why are they needed?



Any answers?

 

[obie1]

I have always asked that question myself, why do commodities brokers make the money? The farmer labored to seed, fertilize and harvest his products why doesnt he get the majority of the profits?



I'm not an economist therefore I don't know what impact worldwide traders and commodities brokerage house would have on "world oil prices" but I do understand supply and demand. This begs for alternate fuel sources as we could then gain independence from imports.



US producers could deal DIRECT with suppliers but we import almost more than we produce, so the spot market world price wouldn't be able to be maintained long term. That's what OPEC used to do and leverage it on the world economy but since India and China have entered into the world oil market and they will pay any amount to get what they need. (as wells as dealing with NATO sanctioned countries for the "illegal" oil.



It is a difficult scenario and one that cannot be solved with dependence on crude imports. Remember the majority of our crude oil imports is used for electric generation not just gasoline, diesel, aviation and heating fuels. Brazil has done a great job using methanol as an alternate source. Bio-Diesel is hopefully an alternative for us, but like sated before, never tried it don't have the first hand experience to it.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

At least to a SMALL degree, I can understand the function of a commodities market in agricultural crops and such, where seasonal maturity and variations in crop production are involved - but crude oil doesn't SEEM to be in that same category - our oil companies are assured a given steady volume of flow from the producers, 24/7, and have their entire operations geared to that fact - there essentially is NO fluctuation of supply, and as far as I can seen no "slack" to be taken up by commodities traders who with grains, for instance, actually have money and resources tied up in storage and preservation of those grains as they WAIT for sufficient demand and pricing to give them a return on their actual involvement in the market, as well as their investment in storage facilities.



WHAT do crude oil traders do that is similar? do they have ships and storage facilities of any real significance where THEY store the "product" waiting for pricing to reach a point of profit for them - or do they already have the crude oil SOLD well before it is even pumped due to advance buying and commitments with the overseas producers? And if the TRADERS can make those commitments, WHY can't the oil companies do it THEMSELVES, and separate themselves from what appears to be an unnecessary profit-taking middleman?



I freely admit ignorance on the process - and judging by lack of response, I'm not alone!

 

[tgordon]

On the markets, I have no idea what role they play in that.



Odie, I have one question, what are the production and sales numbers like four big oil. Record sales and profits do seem to have very close ties if I am remembering correctly from economics class.



As for the availability of the fuel, the local distributer got started selling B20 about 5 yrs ago when the university they supplied to said they would have it or loose the contract. Then a VW group started hounding them for the B100 and they only sell that during the summer due to gelling in the winter.



Try http://www.biodiesel.org/buyingbiodiesel/retailfuelingsites/ if I recall you are correct they don't show any on here either.