Bombing????

[HowardC]

Okay guys I have been talking about buying an Edge Juice w/ Attitude for a while now. I am just paranoid about doing it because I dont want to loose my warranty. Should I be worried about it? Has anyone out there in TDR land installed something like this and then had problems and had to go back to the dealer? If so did they fix it anyway, or laugh at you? I know those guys will be able to find something that will let them know I had some sort of box on my truck. I want that box on my truck so bad that I cant hardly stand it, but is it going to end up costing me out the a** if I do?????

 

[champspa]

If you are your own warranty station bomb it . otherwise it can be detected on the new computers .

 

[HOBrian]

If you are even the slightest bit nervous about your warr. then Bombing is not for you. Once you put that EGA on you truck YOU ARE VOIDING your warr. and if something breaks you will pay, just do a search and you will find many people you are paying.

 

[HowardC]

Is there any box out there that will not leave a footprint, and give me some power?

 

[Heavyweight]

You are playing with fire, installing a box. If it where me, I would wait a few years then go for it. There has been to many injector issues, that you may have to deal with via the dealer.



Mod your intake-exhaust for short term.

Keep your stock intake,,, that way, you can put that back on if you go to the dealer for warranty work.



Like suggested earlier,,, do a search, there are alot of injector failures causing engine damage. You will be out of pocket if you box it.

 

[HowardC]

Yeah I think you guys have talked me out of it. At least for now anyway. I just dont want to have to worry about paying a lot of money, when I have a 100k warranty that will take care of it for free.



The main reason I want that box, other than for a little extra pulling power is... my dad has a 98 12-valve and he can out run me. I know you 12-valve guys love to out run us 3rd gen guys, and hear stories about other 12-valves out running us!!! #@$%! His truck is not stock but, it is the fact that his truck looks like it has been to hell and back, and he has almost 400k miles on it. The day I bought my truck he said "boy you dont need to buy a new truck... I bet my old 12-valve will run off and leave that new one. Just buy an old used one like mine"!!! Sure enough I went home on leave and we were going to town one morning and he stopped right in the middle of the road and said "lets see what that new truck is capable of". Well he beat me and I haven't heard the end of it. :{

I couldnt believe it!!!!!!!! :--)



Is there anything that I can do to get a little more power and not void my warranty. I have the intake and exhaust, is there anything else?

 

[osiris]

well i know some people will find this dishonest but that Quad XZT box which is rated at 65 HP is untraceable once you take it off. takes about 10 minutes to put on or take off. maybe try changing out your muffler too... hope this helps. also what does your dad have done to his truck?

 

[JCleary]

Is there any box out there that will not leave a footprint, and give me some power?

Yes. The TST PMCR. It will let your motor think it's operating normally, rather than tricking the ECM into making timing, duration, and fuel injection adjustments. The only thing that can be traced with a TST is the maximum boost. It's capped at about 21psi, which might be detectable if the tech knew to look for it. Other than that, it doesn't change anything.



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The TST does not increase rail pressure at all, so there are no injector issues to worry about.

 

[HowardC]

All I know about what my dad has done to his truck is add a TST "Power Kit". I'm not really for sure what all that includes. All I know is his truck runs like a scared jack rabbit!!!!! I did get rid of my muffler. I have a muffler delete pipe from Geno's.



So the TST will not leave a footprint... well it looks like I'm not out of options!!!! Does anyone else have any ideas for me? I sure want to leave the old man in a huge cloud of black smoke!!!!! :-laf

 

[champspa]

you only heard what you wanted to here , it leaves a over boost signal , the warranty will be void if something else isn't wrong with the engine to give it an overboost signal :-{}

 

[BigDan]

maybe you accidently remove some boost hoses and the dealer might think that freaked out the computer into throwing an overboost.

 

[Van Blom]

How about some 50 hp injectors? That will wake up your truck and leave no footprint. Dinomite Diesel did mine and I gained 75 rwhp from 50 hp injectors Oo.

 

[JCleary]

you only heard what you wanted to here , it leaves a over boost signal , the warranty will be void if something else isn't wrong with the engine to give it an overboost signal :-{}

No, it does not leave an overboost signal. It prevents it.



That is why the MAP signal given to the ECM is capped at 21psi. The MAP itself can read up to 40psi or so. The TST will allow you to limit the amount of boost your motor will produce (assuming you buy the PMCR with the R47 or R49 remote).



The TST is the best power adder for a Common Rail Cummins. Period. If you use it wisely, it will give years of service w/o causing any problems.



Turn it up, and start breaking parts unless you build for it.



Because the PMCR does not increase rail pressure, it will not harm injectors. All the PMCR does is increase timing and stretch the duration of the main injection event.



Perfect recipe for reliable horsepower. I've had mine on for 15k miles now. My truck has not even thrown any codes or had any problems.

 

[BTighe]

is your dads truck an auto? that would explain why hes out running you if it is. even a 5spd with one less gear than you would put you at a disadvantage.



what if you got the tst with the remote and pulled it off to got to the dealer. wouldnt a pyro probe without a gauge look awfully guilty? ive heard the 06's wont be able to get away with running the tst and not leaving a trace. is this true? these new rigs are complicated

 

[HowardC]

is your dads truck an auto? that would explain why hes out running you if it is. even a 5spd with one less gear than you would put you at a disadvantage.



what if you got the tst with the remote and pulled it off to got to the dealer. wouldnt a pyro probe without a gauge look awfully guilty? ive heard the 06's wont be able to get away with running the tst and not leaving a trace. is this true? these new rigs are complicated

My dads truck is an auto. He gets me on the launch but after I hit 3rd I start gaining on him, and when I hit 6th he starts walking away from me again. I have already thought about the pyro probe and I just figured I'd buy a pyrometer and throw it in my truck; if I ever have to take it in.

 

[HowardC]

No, it does not leave an overboost signal. It prevents it.



That is why the MAP signal given to the ECM is capped at 21psi. The MAP itself can read up to 40psi or so. The TST will allow you to limit the amount of boost your motor will produce (assuming you buy the PMCR with the R47 or R49 remote).



The TST is the best power adder for a Common Rail Cummins. Period. If you use it wisely, it will give years of service w/o causing any problems.



Turn it up, and start breaking parts unless you build for it.



Because the PMCR does not increase rail pressure, it will not harm injectors. All the PMCR does is increase timing and stretch the duration of the main injection event.



Perfect recipe for reliable horsepower. I've had mine on for 15k miles now. My truck has not even thrown any codes or had any problems.

Hey JCleary, Does the PMCR have built in gauges, or would I need to install a set? What is the difference in the R47 and R49 remotes? How hard was it to install and about how long did it take? Did your fuel mileage get any better? I honestly dont know much about the TST... I have just been stuck on the Edge. I tried to go to the TST website but for some reason my computer keeps telling me that there is a network error.

How about some 50 hp injectors? That will wake up your truck and leave no footprint. Dinomite Diesel did mine and I gained 75 rwhp from 50 hp injectors Oo.

Van_Blom, Wouldn't they be able to see that I have different injectors, or would I just need to remove them? How much does a set of 50 hp Injectors run?

 

[JCleary]

Hey JCleary, Does the PMCR have built in gauges, or would I need to install a set? What is the difference in the R47 and R49 remotes? How hard was it to install and about how long did it take? Did your fuel mileage get any better? I honestly dont know much about the TST... I have just been stuck on the Edge. I tried to go to the TST website but for some reason my computer keeps telling me that there is a network error.







Van_Blom, Wouldn't they be able to see that I have different injectors, or would I just need to remove them? How much does a set of 50 hp Injectors run?

The R49 is the one to get. It has boost/EGT (digital) readouts, and it also comes with automatic cool-down and you can get adjustable timing. It's a great unit, and you'll never outgrow it.



Install the first time may take a couple of hours (drilling for the EGT probe, first time trying the cam/crank sensors), but once you've done it, it will take only about 15 minutes.



Compared to everything else, the TST might seem like the "Atari" of power adders. Ancient-looking remote w/o a lot of flash, but it's what's inside that counts. It's performance speaks for itself. Plus, the wiring harnesses are as good or better than OEM. It will last a long time.



Injectors can run from $600 to $1200 depending on where you get them. Some companies sell tips, some exchange the entire injector for you, and some will take your injectors and give them the magic treatment of choice.



A couple of things about 3rd gen injectors-



-Only a couple of shops have the equipment needed to test our injectors. Be careful who you trust.

-The labor to swap sticks is expensive, about $600 or so in my area.

-The mechanic doing the work must be very careful to do the swap correctly. I have heard several horror stories of crankcases getting filled with diesel due to sloppy injector installations. This can be a costly mistake.

-Do not exchange your injectors. Your low-mileage sticks may be exchanged for some 200,000 mile injectors. There's really no way to tell, either.



I'd recommend getting this guy's injectors when they're available. Never heard a negative thing about his. If you're going to use a TST, then go with the lowest HP injector. The stock CP3 won't be able to handle any more.



Injectors are not able to be detected by the dealer, unless you have an injector problem and they need to swap a couple. If it were me, I'd find an extra set on Ebay and get those done. That way you still have your stockers if you need 'em.

 

[HowardC]

JCleary, Where can I go to fine a PMCR? My computer says network error everytime I go to their website. I went to www.piersdiesel.com but they dont have enough information for me. I want to read a 3 page ad on this thing. I love to put wrinkles in my brain, as long as the information makes me smarter about my truck. :-laf Who did you get your's from?



Thanks again,

Cary Howard

 

[JCleary]

JCleary, Where can I go to fine a PMCR? My computer says network error everytime I go to their website. I went to www.piersdiesel.com but they dont have enough information for me. I want to read a 3 page ad on this thing. I love to put wrinkles in my brain, as long as the information makes me smarter about my truck. :-laf Who did you get your's from?



Thanks again,

Cary Howard

You won't find a 3-page ad on the PMCR. TST is not a marketing machine like Banks, Edge, and Bully Dog.



The ads are posted ALL OVER this forum! By way of TST owners discussing it, that is. As I said before, the product speaks for itself.



Just do a search. It's been discussed thousands of times. You'll find lots of reading material.



I bought mine from Tomeygun. Shoot him a PM for a good price.

 

[HowardC]

Cool Thanks!!!!