Burgulars "Need Protection?

[bmoeller]

http://www.nraila.org/NewsCenter.asp?FormMode=Detail&ID=2604&1=View



Got the rest from the NRA American Rifleman magazine (July '03)



This guy had been robbed 2 dozen times before, he confronted burgulars on the night of Aug. 21, 1999 with a shotgun. He killed 1, wounded 1, and the third got away.



Despite the fact that the three burgulars had been hauled before the court on criminal offenses more than 110 times between them, it was Tony Martin who was prosecuted with the greatest zeal. Was found guilty of murder and sentenced to life, later reduced to manslaughter and a 5yr. sentence.

 

[srenfro]

Unfortunately; and I don't agree with it, (Missouri) you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you feared for your life.

 

[bmoeller]

I don't either. Doesn't surprise me. Heard of a case a while back that someone was sued by a burgular for stabbing himself when he accidentally stabbed himself with a kitchen knife that he fell on when he slipped off the counter. The crook won.



Ranks right up there with all of the other frivalous lawsuits. As with Mc Donalds and the old lady burning herself with her cup of coffee.

 

[bigkid59]

We might as well get used to this with the judical system going the way it is.



Judges sit in their isolated world and have no connection with the real world. Criminals get attorneys at our cost that get them released right back on us to deal with while the attorneys and judges are isolated from the violence that they defend so much. If they did their jobs and put the criminals away they would be lessening the demand for their services and they are sure not going to do that. It is self preservation, and for the attorneys and judges it means keeping the criminals active, not locked up.



Sorry to rant on about this, but just prove me wrong if you can.



:-{} :-{} :-{}

 

[LSMITH]

Take a look around you next time you leave your house, THOSE people are the jury pool. Scared yet?



The worst part of our judicial system is money, the more money you have the more likely you are to win because you will have better representation and more resources to draw from. The average citizen like the guy in MO has to pay for his own representation where the POS lowlife has the leverage of the government behind him to defend. Guess who wins in most cases? Even for the civil trials the attorneys will spend fortunes if the likelihood of winning is decent, how does the average guy fight that?

 

[Champane Flight]

Thinking?

I showed up for jury duty last month, more than half of the jury pool had to be excused because they had a felony conviction! What is wrong with this picture?

 

[mcoleman]

:--) 1/2 ? Geez is there any desolute acreage left in Montana where I can get away from the freaks. Surely they wouldn't spread out that far into the country where there's no drugs and no stores for them to steal from. ( And that's just the lawyers) I already live 35 miles from town now for the same reason. And I would still shoot anyone that came into my house regardless of what happens later. That's if my overgrown potlickers didn't get them first.

 

[mjendrejcak]

years ago a friend of went to jail for aggravated assult..... why laws are screwed up, they protect the guilt and hurt the inoccent.





My friend was early 20's with a decent job supporting his wife and two year old daughter. Some idiot breaks into his house, with a big gym bag. My freind wakes up, grabs a baseball bat, finds and hits the guy once. When the police show up and question everyone, they ask the idiot if he would like to press assult charges. answer yes. why... .





The idiot had not yet stolen anything for the house, he also had no weapons. Police stated thier was no real treat to the household. My freind was cuffed, the idiot a sitation to appear for crimial tresspass. The idiot paid a fine and walked no record. My friend got 5yrs suspended after 90 days and gets a record to follow him.

 

[illflem]

There was a guy several years ago whose pawn shop in Florida kept on getting broken into so he installed a high voltage deterrent. Ended up electrocuting a 12 year old kid, pawnbroker got 15-25 years for manslaughter...

 

[srenfro]

Here all you have to do is enter an inhabitable structure with intent to commit a crime. Carrying a large dufflebag would definately show intent.



I know Missouri is a few years behind the East and West in trends and whatnot but Conneticut sounds really backwards.

 

[FATCAT]

Going to hell in a hurry ...

Words from the past.



The chart of our civilization.

 

[mcoleman]

I've heard for years that here in Mo if someone crosses your doorstep with intent you can legally shoot or otherwise impede them from doing harm to your family. Even had a local deputy say if you wake up and someone is in your house you can order them out with any means available to you. He was admiring one of my pistols as he was saying this. LOL

 

[bmoeller]

Originally posted by LSMITH

Take a look around you next time you leave your house, THOSE people are the jury pool. Scared yet?

And the gene pool!

Originally posted by FATCAT

Words from the past.

Very good.

 

[Sticks]

A few years back, when I was in High School... OK, several years back, there was a teacher who was attending a school concert with Husband and two children. While they were out, their house was broken in to. When they returned, they found "someone lying at the bottom of the stairs unconscious, dressed in all black, and a ski mask on. He had a flashlight, pillow case full of jewelry, money and a variety of other pricey small items. The house looked like it had been ransacked. They called the police and the guy was arrested and taken to the hospital with "unknown injuries". Two days later the family was notified that they were being sued for negligence to the tune of $10 million. Evidently the suspect had slipped on a child's toy at the top of the stairs and bounced his way back down. He suffered two broken legs, broken ribs with a punctured lung, broken arm, and a fractured skull with a concussion. HE WON! The point was not how or why he was in the house, it was the fact that he slipped on the toy in their house and received these traumatic injuries. The homeowners insurance flat out told them that they would not assist in the trial, and any money would have to come out of their pockets.



BTW he was a transient, and his criminal case got pled down to something like 90 days in jail suspended. Since the items in the pillow case were not in his possession, and had not left the house, nor was their any proof that he put them in the bag, all he ended up being charged with was tresspassing - a misdemeanor. He had no felonies, and no record in Colorado. A record just about every where else, just not in CO. The judge figured his time in the hospital was enough.



AMERICA THE GREAT! LAND OF THE BRAVE AND HOME OF THE LAWSUIT!



Criminals have rights too!! Yeah, they got them as soon as they violated ours. Basically they took them from us, and we can't get them back.

 

[lpearson]

Make my day law

Few years back, Colorado past "Make my Day Law". There have been several cases I have heard about from my officer buddies where those who entered in; didn't leave standing upright.



Interesting thing is when the criminal is no longer around, there are no lawsuits to file (at least by them).



Just my humble opinion, any attorney who takes a case like the ones mentioned above, are as guilty, in my mind, as those who committed the crimes.



Regards,

Lowell

 

[bmoeller]

I started counting how many attorneys there are in the Quad Cities. Stopped in the middle of the "G" section, came to almost 200.



Some listings were duplications, but still there's to many of them.



I was counting them all as far as what they handled, whether it be criminal law, family law or whatever,

 

[Peter Campbell]

Ever wonder why New Jersey has the most toxic waste dumps and California has the most lawyers?? A- Jersey had first pick

 

[dpuckett]

Originally posted by mjendrejcak

Some idiot breaks into his house, with a big gym bag. My freind wakes up, grabs a baseball bat, finds and hits the guy once... ...



Police stated thier was no real treat to the household. ... ... ... My friend got 5yrs suspended after 90 days and gets a record to follow him.

THAT is why I hate law "enforcement" officials with a passion. THere are too many of them out there that do the same thing.



ALSO... . is why I never have any intentions of EVER calling on them for an incident like that. There are too many rivers in the east, and too many buzzards and coyotes in the mountains and in the desert, if you get my drift.



AND... the money doesnt ALL go to the lawyers- it goes to the judges and prosecutors as well. I know a guy who had a DUI several years ago, and his lawyer called the morning before the trial, and said he needed an extra $500. They came up with it, and the trooper who arrested him never showed up to testify. I feel sorry for those of you who believe this is the exception. It is the norm. Payoffs happen several hundred times a day in this country. It has been that way throughout history, and continues unchanged here in America today.



I say if someone breaks into your house, do what needs to be done, and dont waste the phone call- it will come back to bite you hard in the backside.



Daniel

 

[dpuckett]

One more thought

I also dont like how someone with a criminal record a mile long can totally mess up someone's life that bad. Or if the person simply doesnt like you, oops, you're arrested, lose your job, house, wife, etc. And there is nothing you can do about it. Or is there?

 

[Ladders]

If there is a town out there with ONLY 1 lawyer, then that lawyer will STARVE to death! & I want to move there!



It takes 2 to argue and only 1 will win (most $$ helps).



While living in HI, was cut-off by kids that WANTED someone to rear end them, I passed them and was ticketed for illegal passing. Cop saw the whole thing, them racing and skidding to a stop but no ticket for them. Found out later the cop was a friend (fiend?) of the family. This was how they made their living. Wonder who in the family was the lawyer for the rear end lawsuit.





SOTSU!!

\\BF//