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First off, sorry, this is a long one...

I've got an issue that I really need to get feedback on to see if I am off base or not. Issue is busing my kids to elementary school. My kids are (son) 7, and daughter (5). He is in 2nd grade and she is in Kindergarten. We were lucky and she won a spot in the drawing for her to get in the only and first all day Kindergarten class at the school :) so she goes at the same time in the morning and finishes up at the same time too. The district policy is 0. 6 miles and further than that the children are supposed to be bused. We are 0. 65 miles away. One of our neighbors (whose kids are also not currently bused but should be) a few doors down called and asked if they could measure and verify if they & we are or are not supposed to be bused. The bus Co. did that last week and called us on Friday and indicated that our kids would be picked up today am in our cul-de-sac and taken to school. I figured this was good news as it is a fairly long walk for a 5 & 7 year old, especially in the coming winter. I might also add now that how they measure to determine busing/non-busing does not account for the fact that thay have to walk an extra black PAST the school along a busy 4 lane road just so they can cross at a controlled 4-way stop intersection. This adds a fair amount of distance and along a quite busy road. So, they are going to be bused. But, the problem is that the bus they sent out this am was the short bus with the special needs children. They have to have only one special needs child per seat by regulation, but there was only one seat left that my two kids could share (and no seats for the other 3 children that were supposed to also be added to the bus route). The driver attends to them before they leave to make sure they are strapped down and ready to go. Good safety is certainly welcome but maybe(?) not necessary in this case. It is possible that the bus driver did not understand our kids are not special needs children. Now, I know how this sounds and I totally understand what some may be thinking at this point. I have nothing against special needs children. I am glad and grateful that our schooling system takes them up and schools them right alongside all the other children and gives them the extra attention they need to give them the opportunity to succeed in their life. But, I think children are children and there is a stigma of sorts attached to kids that ride the short bus and that have to wait to be unbuckled by the teachers assistant before they can get off the bus upon arrival at school. The other thing that bugs me is that we have always observed the short bus getting to school after the bell rings and school starts. They should not be late to school everyday because of the bus the bus company chooses to send out to us, should they? I might add that there is a large bus that turns a corner litterally two blocks away from our house and it is never full and is always the first bus to arrive at the school doors. How long would it take to go 4 or 5 additional blocks (round trip), make 1 more stop and pick up 5 additional children?



So, am I being a bigot or similar because I feel my kids should be able to be picked up the regular bus instead of the special needs short bus? I have to admit I am feeling bad about how I feel here but my kids are my kids. I just think they should be able to ride the regular bus since it drives so close anyways. Another thought is that the special needs bus is likely a lot more expensive per pickup for the district than the regular bus is. Maybe the bus company is trying to get extra $ accordingly because of our extra stop?



My Wife called me in tears this morning after the kids got on the bus and left. My son looked out the window at her when they were strapped down with a look on his face like "Mom, what are we doing here?". But they did get there safe and sound (albeit 10 minutes late). Another complication is that my Wife just got a job with the school district as a cook and she is thinking it maybe is not a good idea to create "waves", so to speak.



So, what should we do? 1) Ignore it and refuse the short bus (like I think the bus company or district wishes us to do) and let them walk, 2) keep driving them to school ourselves through the winter, or 3) should we ask for a regular bus at our pickup/stop?



Thanks for your thoughts.

-Deon
 
Sounds like a good opportunity for your kids to get some insight as to their good fortune in life and learn that these special needs kids are really not different in important ways.



I guess you can count yourself lucky that your in this situation rather than the reality of the parents of the special needs kids.



Use this as a great way to educate your kids in compassion and acceptance.



Just my 2 cents,



Greg
 
How long is it between when you or your wife have to be at work and your kids at school?

If it is around the same time then I would bring the kids into school.
 
Deon, as I grew up in this area and I rode the bus to school for all my 12 years of schooling in Lakeville, I have to say this, fight for a tax break and get those kids in Private school. Sorry, but I have no faith what so ever in the Lakeville school district. I Gratudated from this mess of political BS Tax hungry school "system". If you ask me, it failed me miserably.



Anyway, with that said, if you can afford to drive the kids to school, do it. Not for the reason of not putting them on the bus, but for the fact that you can spend those extra couple miutes with your kids everyday.



As far as being concered about them riding the short bus, I dont think I would worry too much. My only 2 concerns would be 1. ) being late everyday, and 2. ) the possibility of being teased. Now, I know its maybe not right, and you will feel bad, BUT, kids these days unfortunately (mainly due to thier moronic parents) are down right *******s. I can almost garantee your kids with catch crap for riding the short bus. (trust me, I know many parents in this neck of the woods, and many are arogant jack *****, and thier kids arent much different). BUT, my main concern is the 10 minutes late. That is just UNEXCEPTABLE! Call the bus compnay and explain to them that your kids have be late to school repeadedly and that it is effecting thier schooling. I know some of the people at the Bus Co. so if you dont get anywhere, I might be able to talk to someone. Ask for Larry if you dont get anywhere. I dont remember his last name, but he is been there for quite some time and if I remember correctly he is a manager of some sort.



Nothing against the special needs kids, and I agree with the above statement that its probably good for your kids to get to know them and see that they maybe different, but are still human is a good thing... . BUT, its not fair to your kids, because kids can and will be brutal, and for your kids to be the target of that due to a budget crunching, is wrong.



Lastly, I know your kids are in school, and they are asking for more money in Nov, please vote NO in Nov. I have seen this school district beg and beg for more and more money, yet I swear its hemoraging money so badly, and nobody seems to see it. Property taxes in this area are just down right robbery. And trust me, I dont care how much they ask for, money doesnt fix education, no matter how much they think it will.



(sorry I got a little rant like, its just something in this city that pisses me off. )
 
JApol said:
How long is it between when you or your wife have to be at work and your kids at school?

If it is around the same time then I would bring the kids into school.

My Wife works from 9:30 to 1:00 so driving them to school is not an issue. This is what we are continuing to do for now.
 
GFritsch said:
Sounds like a good opportunity for your kids to get some insight as to their good fortune in life and learn that these special needs kids are really not different in important ways.



I guess you can count yourself lucky that your in this situation rather than the reality of the parents of the special needs kids.



Use this as a great way to educate your kids in compassion and acceptance.



Just my 2 cents,



Greg

Very, very good point Greg, and we actually did talk about that last night with them. They are young, but I think they do understand the message we were trying to convey about acceptance, compassion, thankfulness, and thinking about how others might feel first.
 
Alphacowboy said:
Deon, as I grew up in this area and I rode the bus to school for all my 12 years of schooling in Lakeville, I have to say this, fight for a tax break and get those kids in Private school. Sorry, but I have no faith what so ever in the Lakeville school district. I Gratudated from this mess of political BS Tax hungry school "system". If you ask me, it failed me miserably.



Anyway, with that said, if you can afford to drive the kids to school, do it. Not for the reason of not putting them on the bus, but for the fact that you can spend those extra couple miutes with your kids everyday.



As far as being concered about them riding the short bus, I dont think I would worry too much. My only 2 concerns would be 1. ) being late everyday, and 2. ) the possibility of being teased. Now, I know its maybe not right, and you will feel bad, BUT, kids these days unfortunately (mainly due to thier moronic parents) are down right *******s. I can almost garantee your kids with catch crap for riding the short bus. (trust me, I know many parents in this neck of the woods, and many are arogant jack *****, and thier kids arent much different). BUT, my main concern is the 10 minutes late. That is just UNEXCEPTABLE! Call the bus compnay and explain to them that your kids have be late to school repeadedly and that it is effecting thier schooling. I know some of the people at the Bus Co. so if you dont get anywhere, I might be able to talk to someone. Ask for Larry if you dont get anywhere. I dont remember his last name, but he is been there for quite some time and if I remember correctly he is a manager of some sort.



Nothing against the special needs kids, and I agree with the above statement that its probably good for your kids to get to know them and see that they maybe different, but are still human is a good thing... . BUT, its not fair to your kids, because kids can and will be brutal, and for your kids to be the target of that due to a budget crunching, is wrong.



Lastly, I know your kids are in school, and they are asking for more money in Nov, please vote NO in Nov. I have seen this school district beg and beg for more and more money, yet I swear its hemoraging money so badly, and nobody seems to see it. Property taxes in this area are just down right robbery. And trust me, I dont care how much they ask for, money doesnt fix education, no matter how much they think it will.



(sorry I got a little rant like, its just something in this city that pisses me off. )

Hi Matt. The two issues you mention to be concerned about are exactly where our concerns are too. If those issues were not there, then I don't think there would be an issue with them on the short bus.



Reality is that we can't afford a private education. I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on the public school system we have here in Lakeville. IMO, it is a very good education and at a lower cost than the average for our state. Test results show our students are consistently above average for state and national levels. IMO, the political BS is the state jerking around the education funding levels over the past 5+ years. Thanks Jesse... We can talk more about our thoughts on this at the dyno day at hitech. I don't have any problem with differing opinions.



Anyways, We are discussing our concerns about being late each day with the school bus company. Last night we learned one of the reasons that they sent the short bus was they "did not want to disrupt the neighborhood with one of the big buses". That is BS since there are buses for the middle and HS coming through each day. How does a bus "disrupt" a neighborhood anyways? Come to think of it, I kinda like the sound of the engines in those big buses. :)



Thanks for your thoughts guys.

-Deon
 
Can your kids walk the two blocks to the main line for the big bus? Seems like that would be a reasonable offer and hard for the district to refuse. No extra turns, tight streets, or additional mileage - just one extra stop?

I'd really lean toward dropping them off myself, though, if it can be done without too much disruption to you or your wife's work schedule. Enjoy these years while you've got 'em - won't be long before they'd prefer anything - even the short bus - over getting dropped off by mom or dad :) haha.



Chris
 
Well, it just took a little bit of patience. Bus company called back today and basically agreed with us that being late is probably not a good idea - even if just a few minutes each day. They are diverting a big bus a few blocks and will pick the kids up and the intersection of our cul-de-sac and the thru street.



I did ask my son again about his thoughts about riding the short bus and he didn't really have much of an opinion. He said one boy had talked to them on the bus and was nice. I think he understands that some people are different and have different needs but he appears to really not have any predisposition one way or another. I think this neutral position is probably a good thing given his age but this has taught me something that we as parents do need to be aware of and try to teach God's guidance in situations such as this. I am glad they were not picked on by the other kids in school for something like this - then again it was only one day. I remember being the target of that in school when young and kids can be very hurtful sometimes. Maybe I am not giving the other kids in school enough credit but I remember times when I was young and know what can happen.



Thanks for the feedback guys. For some reason, whatever situation I/we find ourselves in, it seems to hit a lot closer to home and the heart when the kids are involved.



-Deon
 
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