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Puget Sound air pollution

California Assembly Bill 1058

(CO2 emission reduction,... HUH!)



The other 49 states, they'll be in your neighborhood soon!



Attached is some info that I was just made aware of. How do "these people" get laws passed??? No one asked my oppinion on this matter! It appears that a 10 cent per mile tax will be levied against me and my family for owning a pick up. I'm HOT! :mad: I'm 6'5" tall and my sons are even taller. How in the world do they expect me to get in a Honda Civic, oh thats right, I can walk!!! No,... They will fine us 10 cents per mile. .

:mad: Doug M. :mad: Note how they state how they will give us the "freedom" to get cars/trucks without all the pollution. Let's talk about the freedom they will taking away from us! Well I'll be looking to move. I've had it with California!!





California Senate Passes AB 1058 to Clean Up Global Warming Pollution from Cars





SACRAMENTO (May 2, 2002) -- The California Senate today voted 22-13 to pass AB 1058 by Assemblymember Fran Pavley (D-Agoura Hills). The bill passed the Assembly on January 30 and now goes back to the Assembly for concurrence on amendments.



"AB 1058 will bring cleaner skies and less of the carbon pollution responsible for global warming," said Ann Notthoff, NRDC California Advocacy Director. "It will give California drivers the freedom to choose the cars and trucks that they want without all the pollution. Once again, California is finding innovative solutions to clean up automobile emissions.





Sponsered by Assemblywoman Fran Pavley

SACRAMENTO, April 1 — The California Highway Users has created a new initiative to protect motorist wallets and freedom of mobility from AB 1058, which would make California the only state to cut carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions and impose fuel economy standards.



“Don Quixote is at it again and California motorists will pay for the state’s unilateral caprice,” said Andrew P. Schlaefli, P. E. , California Highway Users Conference chair. “The bureaucrats at the Air Resources Board have already posted a laundry list of proposed actions on their website: a 10 cent/mile tax on motorists, higher gas taxes, and a “Feebate” program that will make it more expensive for families to buy mini-vans and SUVs that serve their transportation needs safely.



“There is no control mechanism that can be attached to a vehicle to reduce CO2. The only way to reduce CO2 emissions is to reduce fuel usage. Because lower- and middle-income Californians drive more and pay more in fuel taxes, punishing driving will hurt them the most. Their cars, trucks, mini-vans, SUVs and recreational vehicles improve their quality of life. Ironically, because of a precipitous decline in the number of Americans who car-pool over the last few decades, mini-van and SUV trips to soccer fields and other recreational activities now constitute the greatest source of car-pooling in the U. S. today. ”



AB 1058's sponsors want to make California the only state in the US to implement the Kyoto Protocol and tighter fuel economy standards. Yet, although 180 nations signed the Kyoto Protocol in 1996, no nation has ratified it yet and the United States recently signaled its withdrawal, concerned that the Protocol’s ‘free pass’ to developing nations would give them a competitive edge and negate any reductions made by the US. And a bipartisan group of U. S. Senators recently rejected tightening national fuel economy standards by a 2 to 1 margin. “So why is California going it alone, and what will this unilateral action cost Californians, particularly lower and middle income residents?” Schlaefli said.
 
I'm sorry to here about this action in Calif. But I'm not surprised and not to worried about this happening in Missouri ;) There are a lot of things that are done in Calif. that will never be done in Missouri :D Thats why I don't live in Calif. You should move!!! By the way, is Calif still part of the USA? sometimes I wonder??? :rolleyes:
 
I Hope It Won't Make It !!

I agree with you guys. I was born here, and this State had a lot going for it at one time. Now the Liberals, the Movie Actors, the Environmental Activists, the Gays, the Anti-Gun crowd and the rest of the Low-Lifes seem to control everything that happens in this State. I can't move. We own a Cattle and Sheep Ranch and just keep doing the best we can. It does make me sad to see this happen. I can see how Ted Turner and Fonda have hurt New Mexico and Wyoming. Where will it stop?:( :( :( :( :(
 
You need to move to Texas:



1. Cattle have long horns

2. Women drive trucks too

3. Men are men

4. And the sheep are scared...



Or something to that effect :D
 
Come to Alaska

Come up to Alaska, we don't have them problems. We don't even have red dye in our diesel, but this year our sulfur exemption expires. :{
 
Forget the Tea Party, needs an earthquake

The San-Andres fault needs one good shake and hopfully we can say good-bye to that state once and for-all as it slips under the Pacific ocean. :p
 
No doubt this stupid proposal is being pushed by enviro-wackos. All of you not living in CA can say it won't impact your state, but consider this.

If this bill becomes law and the wackos in charge force the automakers to build vehicles to meet the new standards, I suspect the automakers will almost be forced to quit making cars for the other 49 states and make the CA auto the only one produced for sale in all 50 states. I don't believe, from a financial perspective, the automakers will build 2 different vehicles of every model, one just for CA, and the other one for the rest of the 49.

If you don't already know it, CA has more vehicles than any other state and well as the number sales of autos in the US. I have worked in the SF Bay Area on 2 different occasions and the traffic is unlike any I have ever seen. I could not wait to get back to TX and away from the fruits and nuts.

If any of you ever get a chance, try to find "Michael Savage" AM radio show on in the afternoon. This guy is from the SF bay area and it is where I first listened to him. His show is now being broadcast nationwide. He is great and I really enjoy hearing a conservative tell it like it is!!
 
Don't they already build vehicles that meet Ca. specs. and then those that have to meet federal standards that are lees strict than the Ca. smog standards? Even on our CTDs they make them different for the Commiefornia ARB, Don't they? Here in Wy. none of my vehicles have smog pumps,EGR,cat. converters,etc. Isn't it the same way up north in Comminada?
 
Originally posted by Diesel Freak

if I liven in Kalifornia, I would just unplug the spedo pickup.
Michigan had a bill fail that would have charged a per mile tax. Their way around folks disconnecting the odometer was to require a GPS unit in each vehicle...
 
Originally posted by BigCarl64

I don't believe, from a financial perspective, the automakers will build 2 different vehicles of every model, one just for CA, and the other one for the rest of the 49.




I wish they would do what I wanted them to do 20 years ago,

make a 49 state vehicle and let the commiefornians ride bicycles.



I garee with fatcat, when the "big one" hits, it'll be an improvement especially if it takes hollywood and all the actors too.
 
I agree and I live here most of the year. I used to keep a big old orange tie-on life preserver in my closet just in case... I gotta dig that thing out and have it ready!:D
 
Hell, depending on how it splits, I may have some ocean front property when it is finished!:)



I posted some info about the bill in the "other" section, didn't see this before I put it there. Has a link to allow sending E-mail to the reps and Gov. Need to get people from Calif. to send this and let them hear us!



Stan
 
http://www.wedrive.org/

Another Update: Pickup/Minivan and SUV owners:

California voters can respond to the following issue by sending a form letter to the Government Reps at the following Web Site. Please note that "all passenger vehicles" are included in a mileage TAX!



thanks paccool for finding the web site. Oo.



Doug M. [I'm still HOT!!]



http://www.wedrive.org/





“AB 1058 lets CARB develop sweeping programs that could dramatically increase the cost of purchasing and driving vehicles in California,” said Allan Zaremberg, president of the California Chamber of Commerce. “It would limit consumer choice by significantly increasing the cost of the larger, more powerful vehicles they want to buy and force all drivers to pay much more in the form of gas taxes and mileage fees. ”



CARB has already suggested some of these alternatives in a joint report with the California Energy Commission. The report, issued in March, specifically lists several strategies to reduce fuel consumption and emissions like CO2. These included:





• Another 50-cent-per-gallon increase in gasoline taxes.



• A two-cent tax on every mile driven for all passenger vehicles.



• Extra fees of $3,500 on minivans, light duty trucks, and sport utility vehicles to discourage consumers from buying them.



• Reducing the speed limit to 55 miles per hour.
 
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I have the solution

Every TDR member show up at the

San Andreas fault and torque

Kommiefornia into the Pacific.



Give the TDR members that live there

a chance to escape of course!



:D
 
Chris



Great idea,... I'll get the BBQ ready and the beer will be on me and a few other TDR members from the Kommiefornia State.



God Help Us out here!



Doug M.
 
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