Dealer told me that unless the truck is SHIPPED out of state, sales tax WILL be charged. Califernia law...
Anyone able to confirm or debunk this nonsense?
Anyone able to confirm or debunk this nonsense?
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Can someone from Kommifornia confirm this...
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Mark I don't know about the shipping part but when I looked into buying my truck in CA I would have had to pay sales tax even if I didn't register it in CA, then to make matters worse would have to pay sales tax again in WA to register it. No way with a new truck, I bought mine in OR with no sales tax then kept it registered there till it's value came down. You might have to work something out where you pick it up in Medford, if it is a private party it wouldn't be a big deal but a dealer may be hard to work with.
Or, have the truck shipped to a Las Vegas TDR associate. Maybe there is a TDR member going to Pahrump that is a hot shot. Then if any WA or OR TDR members are truck pooling to Pahrump, one could drive it to a point in Oregon where you could meet them.
Bolt's Wagon just "thought it forward" (Homeward).
Shouldn't be.
In Wisconsin, there is an exemption on the back of the title application that allows you to purchase the vehicle in WI and not pay taxes provided that the vehicle is IMMEDIATELY registered in another state. I have done it both ways.
I have paid sales tax in another state, and registered it in WI and they have no problem with it. It was taxed once, and it was stated to me that they can't tax it twice (at least the application I submitted). The vehicle wasn't sold in the state so they aren't entitled to sales tax.
I bought my truck in MN and paid WI sales tax due to the exemption above.
CA should have the same exemption. I believe it's required. At least for vehicles.
In Wisconsin, there is an exemption on the back of the title application that allows you to purchase the vehicle in WI and not pay taxes provided that the vehicle is IMMEDIATELY registered in another state. I have done it both ways.
I have paid sales tax in another state, and registered it in WI and they have no problem with it. It was taxed once, and it was stated to me that they can't tax it twice (at least the application I submitted). The vehicle wasn't sold in the state so they aren't entitled to sales tax.
I bought my truck in MN and paid WI sales tax due to the exemption above.
CA should have the same exemption. I believe it's required. At least for vehicles.
California Truck...
Hey Power Wagon!
Last October we flew out to CAL. to purchase an immaculate W250 for my friend in Michigan. It was bought from a private seller VS a dealer and he had no taxes to pay in California... Just registered it in Michigan & paid his taxes to the state.
With purchasing through a dealer... IT could be different. As Amianthus states, you should only have to pay the taxes once & if Cal requires the sales tax... WA. would have to waive taxation if you can provide proof that the sales tax was paid in California.
KEENO's Experience...
Hey Power Wagon!
Last October we flew out to CAL. to purchase an immaculate W250 for my friend in Michigan. It was bought from a private seller VS a dealer and he had no taxes to pay in California... Just registered it in Michigan & paid his taxes to the state.
With purchasing through a dealer... IT could be different. As Amianthus states, you should only have to pay the taxes once & if Cal requires the sales tax... WA. would have to waive taxation if you can provide proof that the sales tax was paid in California.
KEENO's Experience...
This talk about sales taxes bring up one of my pet peeves:
Just for the sake of arguement:
Let's say you go out and buy a $36k truck and pay your sales taxes on it and that the taxes are $800 (just making up numbers). Four years later, you trade it in and buy another truck for $40k. You pay the sales taxes on the new one.
1st - You get $20k as trade-in, did you get a refund of $20k worth of sales taxes from the trade-in that you originally paid?
2nd - Since you paid the sales taxes when you first bought the truck, why should I, purchasing your used truck from the dealer, have to pay sales taxes on it again. They were already paid. And when I sell it, the guy who buys it from me has to pay more taxes to the state on the same vehicle.
Just making up numbers, let's say the original sales tax was $800. Then when the truck is traded in and then resold, the tax becomes $450. Then the truck is again re-sold, the tax then is $200, etc. etc. etc.
Looks like the state (whichever state it is) is really raking in the additional money in taxes each time the vehicle is sold, yet the original (or any subsequent) purchaser never receives any refund from the state on sales taxes he paid. What a rackett.
Just bugs me to tears.
Just for the sake of arguement:
Let's say you go out and buy a $36k truck and pay your sales taxes on it and that the taxes are $800 (just making up numbers). Four years later, you trade it in and buy another truck for $40k. You pay the sales taxes on the new one.
1st - You get $20k as trade-in, did you get a refund of $20k worth of sales taxes from the trade-in that you originally paid?
2nd - Since you paid the sales taxes when you first bought the truck, why should I, purchasing your used truck from the dealer, have to pay sales taxes on it again. They were already paid. And when I sell it, the guy who buys it from me has to pay more taxes to the state on the same vehicle.
Just making up numbers, let's say the original sales tax was $800. Then when the truck is traded in and then resold, the tax becomes $450. Then the truck is again re-sold, the tax then is $200, etc. etc. etc.
Looks like the state (whichever state it is) is really raking in the additional money in taxes each time the vehicle is sold, yet the original (or any subsequent) purchaser never receives any refund from the state on sales taxes he paid. What a rackett.
Just bugs me to tears.
Kommiefornia has very strick rules on the sales tax of a vehicle purchased from a dealer. Basically, if the wheels hit the road in california, you pay the tax. Some dealers are willing to let the salesman (If salesman is willing) to drive to Nev, OR, AZ and do the transfer, or ship the vehicle. But you must do the transfer out of state. Went through this last year. Good Luck!
The folks you want to talk to are the Board of Equalization - they handle sales tax.
http://navigation.helper.realnames....e.ca.gov/&frameid=1&providerid=0&uid=30011952
You should be able to get out of the tax. It may require delivery of the vehicle across state lines.
Good luck,
Brian
http://navigation.helper.realnames....e.ca.gov/&frameid=1&providerid=0&uid=30011952
You should be able to get out of the tax. It may require delivery of the vehicle across state lines.
Good luck,
Brian
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I think in most states that have a motor vehicle tax, it's collected each time the vehicle is sold. It's not like a tax on land or house (by value); the idea is that the tax is on the sale, instead of directly on the vehicle. Most states also allow credit in your home state for tax you paid to the other state, at least if you take it home soon. If it's months or years before you take it home, the credit may not apply.
Registration fees (license plates) are all over the board. I think California is based on value. In Texas it depends on the type of vehicle (truck , car, trailer, etc) and weight. Older trucks in Cal. cost less to register. In Texas, it costs me the same each year no matter the age, except of course when the legislature decides they need more money and raises the rates.
Registration fees (license plates) are all over the board. I think California is based on value. In Texas it depends on the type of vehicle (truck , car, trailer, etc) and weight. Older trucks in Cal. cost less to register. In Texas, it costs me the same each year no matter the age, except of course when the legislature decides they need more money and raises the rates.
If an out of state person, buys a truck from Dave Smith Motors in Idaho, does he have to pay Idaho sales tax. I emailed Dave Smith Motors, about 6 months ago, they never said one way or the other.
They just said, when the 2003 information is available to them, they would get back to me.
They just said, when the 2003 information is available to them, they would get back to me.
It seems the laws in CA are optimized for screwing the out-of-staters...
Anyway, yes, the truck must be shipped... Or, at least show it was shipped. I'm working on that. A transportation Co needs to invoice the move. Not sure if driveaway qualifies or not.
Washington does not tax Oregon residents for vehicle purchases. Oregon doesn't tax them at all. It's under 60 bucks, I think, for title transfer and registration. There's a fee associated with the DMV visually inspecting the vehicle and verifying that the VIN number matches. Not sure if that's included above or not.
Anyway, yes, the truck must be shipped... Or, at least show it was shipped. I'm working on that. A transportation Co needs to invoice the move. Not sure if driveaway qualifies or not.
Washington does not tax Oregon residents for vehicle purchases. Oregon doesn't tax them at all. It's under 60 bucks, I think, for title transfer and registration. There's a fee associated with the DMV visually inspecting the vehicle and verifying that the VIN number matches. Not sure if that's included above or not.
Sold a CA car to another state
I sold my mother's car to some people who lived AZ ten years ago. The car's registration had expired and it could not be smogged. I went to CA DMV and they gave me a permit for one day to let the new owners to drive it out of the state. They paid no taxes. If you are not registering the truck in CA, how does the CA DMV even know it is gone? Only when OR DMV reports it to CA DMV will CA DMV know.
As a contractor I deal with sales tax and it is a mess. Even the tax board members do not know thier own rules. If I make something in my shop I charge tax on the materials and labor. If I make the same thing on the job site only the materials are taxable. And it depends on what I make.
Good luck,
Cary
I sold my mother's car to some people who lived AZ ten years ago. The car's registration had expired and it could not be smogged. I went to CA DMV and they gave me a permit for one day to let the new owners to drive it out of the state. They paid no taxes. If you are not registering the truck in CA, how does the CA DMV even know it is gone? Only when OR DMV reports it to CA DMV will CA DMV know.
As a contractor I deal with sales tax and it is a mess. Even the tax board members do not know thier own rules. If I make something in my shop I charge tax on the materials and labor. If I make the same thing on the job site only the materials are taxable. And it depends on what I make.
Good luck,
Cary
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wcaldwell, in answer to your first question... yes kind of. At least here in MN, when you trade in a vehicle you don't pay tax on the amount that the trade in is worth. Say you were buying a $30k truck and they'll give you $20k for you're trade in. All you pay the tax on is the remaining $10k. The $20k gets taken off before anything with taxes happen. That's why we like our dealer. He'll do a courtesy trade, meaning we already have the truck sold but we still trade it in and save on the tax. And whatever we have it sold for they sell it to them for. So they don't make anything off of our trade in, we get more for the trade in because we sold it outright instead of taking what they'd give us, and they sell a new truck. It works out pretty well. Hope you can follow what I mean, I don't know how else to explain it.
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Rodney,
If you buy a vehicle out of state & bring it into state w/in 90 days of purchase CA WILL charge you sales tax when you title the vehicle in CA. Actually, the BOE says they have up to 3 years to charge you sales tax - that's what I was told when I was there on Tuesday.....
You MUST title/register the vehicle OUT of CA prior to bringing it into CA or you'll need to let it sit for more than 90 days w/o title or driving it.
illflem - the dealer must deliver the vehicle out of state - doesn't matter if the dealer drives it or if the dealer has it shipped. The new owner can not take possesion in CA.
A private party transaction is much easier in this case. The dealer is constrained by CA law and probably won't risk his license to save YOU the sales tax.
Brian
If you buy a vehicle out of state & bring it into state w/in 90 days of purchase CA WILL charge you sales tax when you title the vehicle in CA. Actually, the BOE says they have up to 3 years to charge you sales tax - that's what I was told when I was there on Tuesday.....
You MUST title/register the vehicle OUT of CA prior to bringing it into CA or you'll need to let it sit for more than 90 days w/o title or driving it.
illflem - the dealer must deliver the vehicle out of state - doesn't matter if the dealer drives it or if the dealer has it shipped. The new owner can not take possesion in CA.
A private party transaction is much easier in this case. The dealer is constrained by CA law and probably won't risk his license to save YOU the sales tax.
Brian
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