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I've been researching ways to supplement my income with my truck. I'm retiring this year, after almost three decades in the trenches as a residential remodeler.

A friend of mine was in the trailer business for years, and is looking to sell a 36' flat bed (only a year old) with an 18,000 GVWR. It has two brake axles and one floating axle. He had a 3/16" steel deck added after he bought it so that he could trailer other things besides cars. A couple of weeks ago he hauled two new Lincoln Navigators across country and, with both loaded, still had 3' to spare for extra gear at the back of the trailer.

I'm looking for input from any fellow TDR members who've spent time hauling cars for a living. What is this life like? Is it a good way to make money, or is the wear-and-tear on the truck (and life on the road) too much of a hassle, for too little cash return? I've heard stories about haulers who take antique cars (from auctions) coast to coast, and make as much as $1500 per car, per trip. The cars (obviously) have to be covered (arrive in perfect condition) and the person doing the hauling has to have PLENTY of insurance -- both liability and accident/theft. I carried a two million dollar "umbrella" policy for years, and it wasn't cheap.

With the cost of fuel approaching $2. 00 per gallon nationwide, (it's not going to get cheaper this winter) that has to be a big factor in "profitability" calculations, too. I love to drive my truck and am perfectly happy logging long hours on the open road, but have no idea what this would be like, day in and day out. I was thinking of doing maybe three or four medium-to-long trips per month -- leaving myself a week off to recover. I don't want to "burn-out" from too many hours on the road. Again, this would be a way to supplement a retirement income.

Any stories, advice, warnings, humorous anecdotes, ways to save money, pitfalls to avoid, etc. , would be greatly appreciated.

I'm going to look at the trailer on Sunday, cash in hand. So, "speak now, or forever hold your peace!" #ad
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A buddy of mine has a part time car hauling business to supplement is construction business. He uses one of his two Cummins powered Rams. He usually uses a 3500 4x4 to haul a 53foot! car transport gooseneck trailer. It is the angled type that puts one car above the truck bed.

He can get three full size or 4 small cars on that trailer using what he calls flip outs. He says the truck handles it well but it gets a little scary when you have a heavy vehicle like a full size van sitting above your truck. Needless to say, he is way over gross combined weight. Typically his loaded trailer weight approaches 20k!

He makes only local runs around and near the city of Denver. When I asked him why he decided to get into the business, he said he loves driving his truck! Also, since he was spending half of his day driving between construction job sites he might as well put that time to good use hauling cars.

He is hauling for a company called ARC which collects DONATED cars and sells them for charity. This keeps his insurance costs low since his cargo essentially has no value.

He doesn't have a Commercial Driver's Liscense but supposedly you should. It is only a matter of time before he gets caught. A different friend of mine got caught hauling a backhoe that he owned on a flatbed without a CDL. He has one now!

Anyway, if you want, send me an e-mail and I will get you in touch with him if you have any questions about the biz. He doesn't have a computer.

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One of the hot shot members posted this site a little while back. http://truck.net/bbs/
Has some good info. Search the archives. There have been threads on car hauling, hotshots, etc. this fall. Lots of good material. Good luck!

 

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I was thinking of this also. I was helping my buddy Punch out this house to get ready to sell and he told me " You know this woman is paying someone 3,000 dollars to move her to New Jersey and she doesnt have that much stuff"

He said that we should rent a truck and do it. I thought Naw that is way toom much work but then I thought what if I had a big covered trailer like a big Horse trailer and When someone was moving I could deliver the trailer to their house and they would have X days to load it. On a prearranged time/date I would show up and pull my trailer full; of their stuff anywhere in the Country for a given price then they would have X days to unload it and if they went over it would be a good dailey charge.

I dont know if this would fly but think of the big money the intersate people charge to move someone. **** to rent a Uhaul one way is big money for do it yourselfers. This would give people a Middle option somewhere between a complete do it yourselfer and a lets call United and take it up the ____.

I think it would be a good service and if the people didnt feel like loading the trailer they would be obligated to hire someone on both ends. The only way you could be accused of damaging something was if you wrecked. In Fact for safe keeping they could put there on lock on the trailer that they only had the key for.

Hey if they were moving somewhere cool you might knock the price down a little!!! #ad
Of course you would only burn red diesel in the process!!!!

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jponder,

I like your idea -- for you! #ad


What you're describing is way too imaginative and shows far too much creativity for my liking. Too many things to break, notwithstanding your plans to tell people that you wouldn't be responsible for breakage -- they'd have to pack their own stuff, etc. It might work, but I'd feel bad if there was stuff damaged, even if I wasn't technically responsible.

I just want to be able to completely shuck all responsibility (heck, all thinking!). Just load up a couple of cars, chain 'em down good, slap a CD in my stereo (morbid country) eat some bad chili at truck stops along the way, (keep the windows at half mast) and generally drive around like a carefree, mindless sightseer who just happens to have a hundred thousand dollars worth of automobiles (hey, I ain't gonna be hauling "Hugos") in tow...

My little neighborhood would look askance at a covered trailer big enough to move somebody's household possessions, anyway. The neighbors that've moved in (used to be a "blue collar" area) are now doctors and lawyers and such. They made me move my construction trucks to a storage area a couple of years back, even though they're all "Johnny-come-latelys," and I've lived in the same house with my wife since 1976. The flatbed trailer would be something the neighbors might tolerate parked behind the house. I live in the city, so there are ordinances that have to be adhered to...

 

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Originally posted by Sasquatch:
jponder,

I like your idea -- for you! #ad


Thanks; Cant a guy dream!! #ad


What you're describing is way too imaginative and shows far too much creativity for my liking. Too many things to break, notwithstanding your plans to tell people that you wouldn't be responsible for breakage -- they'd have to pack their own stuff, etc. It might work, but I'd feel bad if there was stuff damaged, even if I wasn't technically responsible.

**** when it comes to accountability. You are accountably for their cars! Thats a whole lot more money(probably) than personal effects. I mean I think it would be easier to look a guy in the eye and say "Hey you loaded it" Than to be in charge of something that maybe they had never even seen! Of course in our society accountability is something not easily shirked( Is that a word???)

I just want to be able to completely shuck all responsibility (heck, all thinking!). Just load up a couple of cars, chain 'em down good, slap a CD in my stereo (morbid country) eat some bad chili at truck stops along the way, (keep the windows at half mast) and generally drive around like a carefree, mindless sightseer who just happens to have a hundred thousand dollars worth of automobiles (hey, I ain't gonna be hauling "Hugos") in tow...

Exactly; that is why I was trying to think of conditions to put the ball in their court you might say. Im not sure if what you proposed would necessarily be lower stress; You are saying that YOU ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO TOUCH THEIR PROPERTY!!! I think that would put you in greater liability than what I had proposed. Hey maybe shirked is a different form of "shucked"

My little neighborhood would look askance at a covered trailer big enough to move somebody's household possessions, anyway. The neighbors that've moved in (used to be a "blue collar" area) are now doctors and lawyers and such. They made me move my construction trucks to a storage area a couple of years back, even though they're all "Johnny-come-latelys," and I've lived in the same house with my wife since 1976. The flatbed trailer would be something the neighbors might tolerate parked behind the house. I live in the city, so there are ordinances that have to be adhered to...

Sas I would guess you werent going to keep your car trailer at home either so that seems like a wash. All things being equal that is. I mean the flat bed wouldnt be in your neighborhood would it?

The idea of doing something you love(Driving that rattling Cummins) and making money! is something that so many people would love to do I'm sure. I too love to drive and the feeling of pulling weight is awesome. So hauling cars might be the best choice.

The problems with what i propsed are many; The most dangerous being oh well we cant unload it now! Now I have a new home for awhile ; I cant leave my trailer! I would geuss though after as many years of dealing with the public like you have that it would be a small thing to overcome

 

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Sas
I forgot to mention another option.

BOATS!!!! Man there is too much money in Atlanta, but you prob already know that.
Later

 

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Sasquach, I was an owner operator for 10 yrs. (class 8) I did mostly dump trailer work. I owned the whole rig.
I dont know if you could make a bunch of money with these, but one way to find out is to go to the local truckstop and ask.
There are plenty things you could haul. Cars (a LOT of retirees that migrate back and forth to Florida from here), hay, (lots of horse farms around here... believe it or not) lumber (always a cheap paying load) concrete blocks, bag salt/concrete, truck caps, tires, the posibilities are endless.
Most important things is if youre happy with what youre doing.
HTH

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QRTRHRS,

I appreciate the link to the truck site. I tried to use the TDR search engine to find links to past hauling topics and couldn't come up with anything. I may be doing something wrong -- still trying to get stronger at using a computer...

PATRIOT:

I'm not sure what a "class 8" is, or what "dump trailer" work is. I'm almost totally ignorant (okay, no "hair-splitting," I'm TOTALLY ignorant... . ) of "driving terminology" despite many hours of listening to drivers gabbing on their CBs.

I'm a little reluctant to show up at the local truck stop in my pick-up, swagger up to a group of big-rig pushers, and make a complete *** of myself asking the world's stupidest questions. That'd be kind'a like walking into a saloon in the old west, slapping the dust off my hat, sidling up to the bar and asking for a root beer. I can almost hear the derisive laughter, now. #ad
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TRUCKER: "No, what kinda rig, Peterbuilt. "

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I left Atlanta for Roseburg, Oregon on Saturday morning, April 22. My dad, who had been undergoing treatment for stomach and liver cancer, was "experiencing complications. " My brothers and sisters were there at the hospice, and assured me that, while he was uncomfortable, his situation wasn't "grave. " So, I called up AAA, dusted off my Rand McNally, and plotted out a trip that would cover 3,000 miles in 5 days.

The first day I drove to Kansas City, KS. I was in high spirits and as the miles ticked off I found myself relaxing, leaving my remodeling client's leaking shower-pan problems behind me. I awoke to rain at 5 A. M. , checked out of my "Motel 6," and got on the road. Somewhere around Russell, KS, lulled by my windshield wipers, and crossing country that was flatter than a flapjack griddle, I was startled by my ringing cell phone. It was my sister, Lonnie, telling me that Dad had just died. It was 9:15, Easter morning, raining sideways, and I was 1,200 miles from home.

So, I decided to just keep going. I drove on through Denver, then took 25 north to Cheyenne, Wyoming. It was still light, and I was still alert enough to keep going (and not tired enough to sleep) so I pushed on to Rock Springs. I got on the road early the next morning, and was hassling a waitress about my "over-light" egg order in Salt Lake City by 8 A. M. . Then I pushed on to Boise, and found myself driving down the Columbia River gorge in time to see Mount Hood backlit by the setting sun. That's a sight that'll convince you there is a God, and your loved ones (be they recently departed) are "going to a better place. "

I arrived at my brother's place in Roseburg, Oregon at 10:15 Monday night, feeling pretty good, and only then realized that I'd averaged about 1000 miles per day -- and close to 1,200 miles since leaving Rock Springs that morning. I had a few stiff joints but, for a 50-something-year-old, I'd come through the ordeal prett well...

I concluded that driving a Cummins-equipped truck is good for the soul. The hours on the road allowed me to sort things out without the distractions of work related problems. If I'd stayed in Atlanta, and hopped a Delta flight, I'd have been a wreck at the funeral. I had time, driving, to get my head right.

After the funeral, I drove home, washed my laundry, hopped back into the rig, and headed for Vermont to visit a younger sister who hadn't been able to make the trip west. The more miles I logged the better I felt. The drone of a Cummins (and bad country music) is a mighty palliative for a troubled spirit.

So, I've seen some country this year. My truck has been a faithful companion -- way more than just a symphony of moving nuts and bolts.

My last kid is college bound, then we're moving out of Atlanta. It's too late to go back to school and finish up that medical degree, or apply to NASA for a slot on their next shuttle mission. So, it's going to be driving -- somehow, somewhere, doing something, halfway productive.

I'm considering petitioning Mr. Patton (TDR Editor) to consider a new section in the TDR; maybe call it the "Ram Driver's Journal" -- a regular column that would feature a different "hauler's story" each issue. I'm old enough to remember the TV series, "Route 66" from another era in American TV "entertainment. " Anybody else remember those great stories about "chance encounters" on the open road? They stirred the wanderlust in my soul, as did the later series, "Bronson," about a wayfaring motorcycle rider.

Gonna have some new cards printed up: "Have Dodge/Cummins, have CB, will travel. " #ad



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Class 8 = the big trucks. Dump trailers are the big coal/rock/sand/ect trailers that dump at the destination. I had 2 ,from '83 to '94. Then decided I was not making anything. Too much overhead , not enough work.
I also have thought about "hotshot" type work with my truck. So far the amount of work/pay versus the expense is not enough to get back into the ratrace.
MY $00. 015¢
It is an interesting idea.

 

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Bob,

I hear you. I have the same concerns about whether it'd work, financially. I like jponder, Sean, and "Patriot's ideas. They all sound feasible, but I'd like to get some input from guys who are actually driving, now, to make a living.

Your experience driving big rigs would be good to draw upon. I can understand that "overhead" problem, particularly with trucks, these days, that must cost well over one hundred thousand bucks.

I was hoping that our little Dodges would be "niche-fillers," and that we could make money doing specialty work, filling needs that big, over-the-road rigs can't. That's what go me thinking about car hauling in the first place. My wife's folks are having their car hauled to their Florida home (from Highlands, NC) by a guy driving a "wedge" trailer. He takes three cars at a time and charges about $650 per car for the North Carolina/Florida run. He'll leave Franklin, N. C. on Monday night, head to Florida, and be back home in Columbus, Ohio by the weekend. With any luck, he'll pick up some boats (or, whatever) in Miami, bring them back north, and have $4 - 5,000 cash in his pocket when he does his banking, Monday morning.

Obviously, if we're trashing a transmission every, say, 50,000 miles, going through tires every 20,000 miles, rebuilding an engine every couple of years, or buying a new truck (whatever... ) and not really making enough to do more than break even, while living a "Hamburger Helper" lifestyle during too-brief home visits... Well, let's just say that'd be a pretty bleak picture. Not my idea of a fun way to supplement a retirement income...

Like I said, we need to hear from folks that are currently doing this semi-seriously, part time and full time. I see an awful lot of haulers out on the road -- most of the trailers I see are being pulled by Dodge/Cummins Turbo Diesels. Seems like most of the drivers are "middle aged," too, often with their wives riding shotgun.

Somebody's making it work. We just have to figure out how they're doing it! #ad

 

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Sas,
Dreamin is fun aint it #ad
. The Cummins I drive now is really a long time dream come true!
Okay I know you are looking for concrete things but one more dream wont hurt #ad
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I have a dream that one Day I will have this awesome Truck Camper and I will pull this trailer and let that Cummins purr all over the USA. In the trailer I will have some way to generate money. I will go to Fairs and Craft shows and Powwows and wherever people assemble and set up my little trailer with my work. It will be work that I take great pride in and People will love it and Me of course so theyll give me money and when the meeting/fair/craft show/powow is over I will pack up and see the sights in that area then began puttting down the road again heading to the next gathering.

I will drive with the windows down whenever possible with my arm on the sill where I can feel the wind and, especially in the country, smell the flowers and feel the change in the temp like when you go over a creek and I wont drive fast unless challenged by a Phord. When I go through big citys I will wave at the people who are blowing their horns at me because they are consumed with the Rat Race. They will wiz all around me with their teeth clenched flipping the bird consumed with the Rat Race. I will just wave because I will be in Cummins Mode just purring down the road.

I HAVE A DREAM

I just wish I had an awesome idea of what to put in that trailer for the people to buy.

 

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Sasquatch-
Sorry to hear about your dad, it's amazing how the truck can sooth.

Condolences
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Sasquatch,

Seeing how this is new to you, I have a suggestion. Why not take a CDL course? Your going to need one anyway depending on your weight class. Perhaps gain some insight into this racket. Lots of companys begging for drivers. Pick up some local work for a start. See how you like doing it before spending money on a trailer, etc.

What I am picking up on from your posts is that you don't want a steady diet of driving, just kind of pick up a load here and there, see the sites etc. Your not going to get rich doing that. Lucky to break even. (If it was easy, everone would be doing it. ) One of the big problems is that everywhere you go, somebody has their hand out.

I drove for about 12 years, mostly flatbed and dump trailer work. Best run was working for a one horse (truck) outfit hauling cedar out of Canada to supply their mill in New Jersey. Used to gypsy loads going north. For the most part, I did not have to be there yesterday meaning I did not have to run my tail off. When things got bad during a building bust, I decided to go back to school. Trucking does get into your blood though. Take a weekend off and by sunday night, you get the urge. You got to go.

 

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Sas, sorry to hear about your Dad. Cancer is a terrable way to go, I hope he didnt suffer too long.

Here in NJ theyre so desperate for drivers, they'll send you to the CDL school and get you the license just as long as you work for them. Age isnt a concern, as long as youre physically OK, and have decent vision.
I hear JB Hunt and Schneider are decent companies to work for. Maybe give it a try for a few months, if it's not for you, walk away.

Dont be afraid to ask questions at a truckstop. Most of these guys wouldnt mind answering some questions, especially if you supplied the coffee! #ad
It's a pretty lonley life out there.

I love driving my truck, but I like RV'ing. I have a 24"TT, but dont get out as much as I'd like.

Jponder, if I can help you with your dreaming... . what you'll need in the trailer is a high quality printing press. If you run out of money, just print more!! #ad
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Thanks, all, for the thoughts about my dad. What a great group I've stumbled into, here...

Here's the deal. I don't really want to be "a trucker. " I mean I want to FEEL like a trucker, brag about the "open road" to my pot-bellied buddies at the fishin' hole, and make a little money -- but I don't think I'm REALLY considering a full time, life on the road. I'm too old, nursing too many "war wounds," and not looking for that kind of wear and tear on my "airframe. " #ad


I have a very modest dream. There are a lot of retirees in my neck of the woods. AARP cards are more plentiful than the falling leaves, now, in the exclusive, gated, "golf communities" of mountainous North Georgia, North Carolina, and in areas such as Georgia's "Golden Isles. "

As the media keeps telling us (and the politicians haven't forgotten, you can be sure... ) the "Boomers" are aging, and there are a heck of a lot of 'em. They have failing eyesight and failing reflexes, but very vigorous bank balances. I can relate, because I have failing faculties, my-own-self; I just lack the money part of the equation! (Hey, how friggin' bright can your "bulb" be if you willingly spend your life as a remodeler. . ?) #ad
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So, in an extraordinary demonstration of selflessness, civic pride, and compassion, I'm thinking about hauling expensive cars from one set of gated, golf communities in, say, Highlands, NC -- to another set of gated golf communities in, say, Vero Beach or Palm Beach, Florida. Then, I'd haul 'em back again.

I have LOTS of family all over the southeast. I'd never be more than an hour or two from help if my truck decided to break down. As a kid, I spent a fair amount of time traveling and taking whatever job presented itself. I worked for three years on a ranch in Rock Springs, Wyoming -- spent a year as a stage hand in Los Vegas -- worked construction jobs in "burbs" all over the southwest. My '65 Mustang was in one shop or another, most of the time, having its worn out innards patched up...

So, I'm not looking for another steady diet of "adventure," far from home. I'm looking for maybe four or five "hauls" per month. That's the way I'm feeling now, anyway. Again, this would be a way to "supplement" a retirement income -- not a way to guarantee a subsistence living. We live in a snug little paid-for house. The kids are gone (well, mostly... ). The "rolling stock" (four vehicles) ain't "new," but it's all paid for. We've set a little aside for a rainy day...

The hauling income would be a way to provide "mad money" for trips to places where women wear grass skirts (at least in the literature) and other nonessentials. Mostly, though, the hauling jobs would get me out from under-foot. My wife and I are still each other's best friends, but I'm a little dubious about the workability of a 24/7/52 type of "coexistence. " She might tire of my excellent personality (inconceivable, I know. . ) and realize what she's been living with for the past three decades -- we can't allow that to happen, 'cause I've become addicted to regular and timely feedings...

So, that's my goal. Semi-regular, semi-recreational, semi-lucrative hauling. I ain't planning on getting rich doing this (don't want to LOSE money, either, though... ), and I don't want to work for anyone else, week in and week out -- too ornery/independent for that. #ad


jponder:

Your "dream" sounds good to me.

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Sasquatch:
I met a fellow once at the Flying J at exit 201 on 75 driving a 96 3/4 ton turbo. I noticed a fifth-wheel in the back and ask him what he hauled. Now he had his wife with him and the truck was a road truck. Lots of bugs. He said he hauled fifth-wheel RV's for dealers and mfg's. I ask how many miles he had on his rig. Now I thought I was doing pretty good with my 168,000 on mine. He opened the door ,looked in and said the it was getting ready to turn over 580,000. I almost fell over. You take a 96 , average that out and the poor truck has not stopped much. On the truck side the only thing he had changed is one set of injectors.
The thing I think would be nice is sometimes running empty. To be able to drive without the pressure of the trailer.
Just another idea.
Good luck.
Preston Thompson

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Turbo,

WoW!

That guy was averaging about 2500 miles per week! That's a little too much of a good thing, as far as I'm concerned. #ad

 

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Sas, nother thought - stock trailer delivery (use the 5th or swap in a gooseneck). We see lots of stock trlrs going thru Albq (some times 2-3 on the back). It works for somebody. Might not be "steady" which sounds good for you (like maybe 2-3 trips a month or less). The builders would be the one to talk to, and might have to "break" into it slo due to others committed to the builder. BUTT, they might need a "fill-in" and then they might be able to "hook" you up with a 5th wheel that needs delivery. I've been trying to haul 5ths here for who ever and all I get is one that they cant move themselves - no truck. Might start checking the Trailer parks and leaving your info.

Just another 0. 015$ worth.

SOTSU!!
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