CCW holders

[ranger 393]

I know there has been several discuusions on concealed carry, but this is some good info on the subject.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pc1t7x0Rls

 

[TJJEEPER]

The first fundamental problem with this video is "pulling your gun to kill" NEVER EVER pull your gun to kill. Just like the muscle memory you train to execute the event with the hope of being successful, you train your mouth to answer the questions you WILL be asked, You DO NOT SHOOT TO KILL, you shoot to stop.
But as the video says, this isn't something to take lightly.

 

[Deleted member 995608]

TJJEEPER - I disagree. If I pull my firearm, my life is threatened and my intent is to stop permanently. Prior to that, I'm trying to avoid or mitigate the situation. I'm a long time CCW holder in Ca that has never drawn my firearm. I hope and pray that I'm never in the position to defend my life, but If I do, I'm drawing to STOP the perpetrator.

 

[fest3er]

That's the point. You *never* draw to kill; that would be construed as premeditation. You only draw to stop. You only shoot to stop.

 

[AMink]

That's the point. You *never* draw to kill; that would be construed as premeditation. You only draw to stop. You only shoot to stop.

If they happen to die, that's a stop. If they don't die but stop, that's a stop too. You shoot to neutralize the threat.

 

[Tractorat]

I dont have any credentials here. But Ive always heard that cops are trained to shoot at center mass. Well, in most cases, that probably results in death does it not ? It also stops the target.

 

[BILLUA]

You are shooting to stop the threat, period.

This has transcended civilian to federal training....

 

[Killgore]

If it all goes bad, it is tremendously important how you articulate the event. Don't say too much without the presence of an attorney. I was a member of the Police Benevolent
Association for many years for this reason. The PBA provides legal representation and assistance to its' membership when there is cause to believe that legalities are being
questioned, and believe me, you will be questioned, and questioned.

- Ed

 

[TJJEEPER]

Most of you got my point... Thanks...
And as for center of mass killing? It depends on your gun and your proficiency BUT unless you do a BUNCH of training the likelihood of killing is something less than 50%. Handguns are anemic. The training I've taken teaches "Use the handgun for escape and/or to get to your long gun" . That is said somewhat tounge in cheek but the point they were trying to teach was don't expect the perp to drop and go away with two in center of mass.

Situational awareness has more to do with surviving a gun fight than anything.

 

[ranger 393]

Most of you got my point... Thanks...
And as for center of mass killing? It depends on your gun and your proficiency BUT unless you do a BUNCH of training the likelihood of killing is something less than 50%. Handguns are anemic. The training I've taken teaches "Use the handgun for escape and/or to get to your long gun" . That is said somewhat tounge in cheek but the point they were trying to teach was don't expect the perp to drop and go away with two in center of mass.

Situational awareness has more to do with surviving a gun fight than anything.

There is alot of truth with your statement. We have had classes on this before, and the survival rate of being shot is 80-90%, you have about a 40-50% surviving a knife fight, and a 10-20% with a blunt object..ie ballbat , stick etc.. I posted this video because I know there are many that carry concealed, and I hope they never have to use their weapon in self defense, but if they do ,they need to know what to expect. Just remember, and you will be asked 100 different ways...I WAS SCARED FOR MY LIFE, I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO KILL ME.

 

[gsbrockman]

the likelihood of killing is something less than 50%. Handguns are anemic.

And all along I felt safe with my Glock 21 w/Trijicon sights and 13 rd magazines. I guess I should also ditch my Colt .45 Series 80, Smith & Wesson MP45, and my S&W 4566TSW KSP issue......

 

[BIGNASTY]

If it all goes bad, it is tremendously important how you articulate the event. Don't say too much without the presence of an attorney. I was a member of the Police Benevolent
Association for many years for this reason. The PBA provides legal representation and assistance to its' membership when there is cause to believe that legalities are being
questioned, and believe me, you will be questioned, and questioned.

- Ed

I've never pulled it without the intent of using it, although the act of pulling it out made the other person think twice about going any further.

YOUR SO RIGHT about being questioned and questioned and then questioned again sometimes a few days later to see if the story has changed. I've had that happen on several occasions when it was a Physical Altercation, or more commonly known as an XXX kicking contest.
I wont say a word without legal representation I don't care if I have to be a guest of the state, county or city for however long it takes to get the attorneys in the interview room with me.


Edit

Handguns are anemic?????

Don't know who thinks 230 gr Ball ammo is anemic?????

 

[buntster]

Handguns may be anemic (by comparison with rifles and shotguns) and I hate caliber wars...BUT

I seriously doubt that many perps that the average armed citizen would encounter are going to continue coming at you if you're sending a hail of .22 rimfire in their direction, much less .38's, .40's, or .45's. I'd rather see people carrying the most powerful caliber they can safely and comfortably handle, but I'll never rip on someone for a "noisy cricket" either.

In self defense training, we train to shoot at the largest available target. This is usually Center of Mass, and we train this way because it provides better certainty of stopping the projectile, and providing an on-target hit, increasing the likelihood of stopping the threat. Don't forget that the bullet you miss your target with goes somewhere...so firing at the largest target available is safest for everyone involved.

The truth is that most armed citizen gunfights end the instant a firearm is brought into play. "I drew my gun and they went away" very often doesn't get reported for a number of reasons, but the end result is exactly the one we wanted -- the situation was stopped.

And yes, I fully encourage everyone to "have a plan." Have a plan to stay out of a bad situation, have a plan to deal with a bad situation, and have a plan for the aftermath. Whether that plan involves a firearm, ball bat, the lethal weapon that our vehicle can become, or just a plan to run, HAVE A PLAN.

By doing so, even if it doesn't survive the first engagement (as most plans don't), you at least are managing the difference between expectation and reality as opposed to being blindsided and totally unprepared.

We don't rise to the occasion. We stand up to the level of our abilities and training. One session of a defensive action pistol match will demonstrate this (and it's a heck of a lot of fun too).

I am not a lawyer, I don't play one on TV, and I didn't stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night. But I *am* a certified NRA Basic Pistol instructor, Texas LTC instructor, and an IDPA competitor and Safety Officer.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Handguns may be anemic (by comparison with rifles and shotguns) and I hate caliber war



OH I Must have miss read something which is NOT unusual

I thought that this Post was about CCW

Kind of hard to conceal a shot gun or a rifle.