cheap filter kit any interest?

[Mhannink]

ok so since many, myself included think that the factory fuel filters are not up to snuff on these trucks. so what if there was a kit for say 125 to 150 dollars that would be about the best you could buy.



what the kit would include.



lines for plumbing into factory system.

filter mount

filter(duh)

hand primer pump(optional)

and mounting hardware

plus whatever else it takes to make it complete



now the filter is a cat filter for a 3406b so there are plenty of places for getting a filter. the lines and fittings will all be cat including the bolts.



there would be some drilling required to get the filter mount bolted to the frame rail but nothing major.



perks the cat filter goes down to 4 microns absolute. ill double check that but im pretty sure its right. basicaly noting bigger then 4 microns will pass through period.



so what do ya'll think any interest. im gonna make this kit to mount on my truck but it wont be hard to change to work on any dodge.



now i dont know if ya'll are gonna be touchy about have cat products on your cummins but they are good and will help save your fuel system. i looked at some pricing for it today and i think it can be done all inclusive for about 150 bucks maybe less

 

[Mhannink]

no interest at all? come on im sure of you guys want better filtration esp. the vp guys

 

[AllianceDiesel]

p,ve,vp pumps don't really need all that clean fuel, they need a good fuel supply, now the common rails need clean fuel, but the stock system is just fine, you just need a smaller micron filter.

 

[Mhannink]

i could set this up for bigger lines too for higher flow would that make it any better.



mopartech having dealt with the vp pump i would say yes it does need the clean fuel as well as the volume.



however all the other pumps would benifit from them.



another thing i may have mentioned is that it will be mounted in a place that is much easier to change then the factory one

 

[05mxdiesel]

is this before factory filter or after?

 

[JDiepstra]

Will it work on 3rd Gen?

 

[Slow Six]

I would really like a 3 micron filter to go in the stock filter canister as it is in a good place and easy to change. I am presently using the Fleetquard 7 micron filter, but I have been told 3 is better. It would be nice if Fleetguard would make a 3 micron filter.

 

[Mhannink]

is this before factory filter or after?

this would be technically before but you would not need the factory filter at all. im altering my original plan. im going to use a filter that has the same filtering ability but also has a fuel water seperator

Will it work on 3rd Gen?

the way i want to do it is make it easy to adapt properly i might add to all trucks. im starting on my 2nd gen dodge but ford chevy and dodges a like can all have the same set up. heck even cars its just a matter of getting a test vehical to set it up on.

I would really like a 3 micron filter to go in the stock filter canister as it is in a good place and easy to change. I am presently using the Fleetquard 7 micron filter, but I have been told 3 is better. It would be nice if Fleetguard would make a 3 micron filter.

these are 4 micron absolute wich means that nothing bigger then 4 microns gets by but will get most of the smaller stuff.



one benifit to this i think is its an easier place to change the fliter being mounted on the frame rail. late 2nd gens and 3rd gens are better but still not as easy i think.

 

[05mxdiesel]

Sounds like a good deal, I know the cat filters are great quality, large and can last up 20k from what I heard. I guess the factory filter could be deleted with one of GDP's delete kits. But there is nothing wrong with keeping it and using Baldwins 5 micron and having double the filtration.

 

[Coalsmoke]

My only concern would be that on the new trucks with the in tank lift pump, is can the lift pump handle the extra restriction of a 3 or 4 micron filter? I have heard that DC has switched the filter from 7 microns to 9, but I have not confirmed this yet. If this is true, that would indicate a need for better flow vs quality, which bothers me a little considering that this is for the HPCR trucks.

 

[WStephens]

I have a 2 micron filter mounting on my air intake and have a fuel pressure gauge installed and seem to have plenty of pressure. I change both filters every 15K miles and have not had any problems.

 

[Mhannink]

My only concern would be that on the new trucks with the in tank lift pump, is can the lift pump handle the extra restriction of a 3 or 4 micron filter? I have heard that DC has switched the filter from 7 microns to 9, but I have not confirmed this yet. If this is true, that would indicate a need for better flow vs quality, which bothers me a little considering that this is for the HPCR trucks.

that is not an unwarented concern but one thing to remeber the lines to and from this filter are big and these filters are huge so there is lots of surface area to flow through.



on another note i like 05mxdiesel's idea why not just use the factory one to possibly catch whatever might get through.



like i said at the begining im in the proccess of makeing this kit i just wanted to see if the idea would be popular enough to try and make a complete kit to sell. when i get it together and figure out prices ill put a new post up.

 

[Coalsmoke]

that is not an unwarented concern but one thing to remeber the lines to and from this filter are big and these filters are huge so there is lots of surface area to flow through.



on another note i like 05mxdiesel's idea why not just use the factory one to possibly catch whatever might get through.



like i said at the begining im in the proccess of makeing this kit i just wanted to see if the idea would be popular enough to try and make a complete kit to sell. when i get it together and figure out prices ill put a new post up.

If we could do some flow comparisons of the stock 7mic system to the after market 2 mic system and the 2 mic system had an easy to access water drain then I may be interested.

 

[Mhannink]

coal smoke im sorry to say i dont have any way to properly and effectivly test flow ratings for each filter. if you have a way to test it i would be interested.



it is my understanding, based on my training that this filter has a better flow rate then the factory filter. reason being it has bigger lines going in and out and the filter media has a much larger surface area for fuel to pass through as well.

another thought is the engines these filters are mounted on are burning a lot more fuel though they are at a higher transfer pump pressure.



as far as the water drain. im still up in the air about wich filter exactly im gonna use some have water drains some dont but the mounting are all different and cost different.



im thinking with the factory filter still in use it would be fine without a water drain as you have one with a sensor already in the system.



i dont know about yourself but one ive only had to drain water once from all the trucks ive owned and have not had any close friends have a legit water in fuel situation. second draining water from under the hood to me isnt all too hard its changing the filter i find a pain.



but i want everyone to keep putting their advise in as i start building this project

 

[Coalsmoke]

Mhannink, that's ok, I can do flow tests, but I have been packing up my shop for a big move a little later this year, and won't be set up again until after the fall. If you wish to ask me then, I'd be happy to do it. If the filter is going to be inline before the OEM filter then it really needs a water drain on it, but if it is going to be inline after the OEM filter then I agree it will be fine without the water drain. This idea is something I have been toying around with as well. I've got a larger filter boss and spigot with 5/8 or so line ports, I have just run out of time for now.

 

[jkidd]

sounds pretty good, what is the part # for the filter. I am curious about replacement costs.

 

[Mhannink]

i will get that for you jkidd like i mentioned earlier i still need to decide wich filter would be best. but as soon as i know ill put that info up

 

[05mxdiesel]

Use the cat 1r-0750 2 micron filter. Large, good for long intervals, and cross referances over to other brands, unlike some of the other cat filters.

 

[05mxdiesel]

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