Class 3 Firearms

[Silver]

Anybody know what it takes to get a class 3 firearms license in Texas? (Full Auto Firearms) If you know what it it takes in other states, that would probably be interesting too.

 

[gonehuntingagain]

I found a few facts at the Idaho Automatic Weapon Collectors Association http://iawca.org/mgfaq.htm



Q- What is the procedure for buying a machine gun legally?



A- In general, the buyer must have a clean record with no felony arrests or convictions and no record of violent crime, and in particular no record of firearms law violation. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (the "B. A. T. F. ") requires background checks on persons with drunk driving arrests on their records, as many arrested for D. U. I. are also charged with firearms violations due to an illegal firearm in the vehicle at the time of arrest. Specifically, Public Law 90-351 (18 U. S. C. , Appendix), Chapter 44 and Title VII prohibit the following persons from possessing a firearm as defined in the National Firearms Act:



(1) fugitives from justice (any crime);



(2) persons under indictment for or convicted of a crime



punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;



(3) narcotic addicts or unlawful drug users;



(4) mental defectives, mental incompetents, or those who



have been committed to a mental institution;



(5) veterans discharged under dishonorable conditions;



(6) persons who have renounced their U. S. citizenship;



(7) aliens illegally or unlawfully in the U. S. ; and



(8) persons under 21 years of age.



First, discuss with the dealer what types of firearms are available and select the particular one which is right for you and which you want to add to your collection. Idaho Automatic Weapons Collectors' Association dealer-members are knowledgeable and experienced with the many types and variations of machine guns and other N. F. A. firearms which are available to buyers. When you have made your selection and negotiated the purchase price, expect to pay at least a 50% deposit, and possibly a larger deposit if the dealer will be special-ordering the gun for you. Expect to forfeit a part of your deposit if you get "buyer's remorse" and decide to cancel your order. If for any reason the B. A. T. F. does not approve the transfer of the gun to you, most dealers will refund the major portion of your deposit and retain a handling charge to compensate them for the paperwork involved and for holding the gun off the market.



Second, your I. A. W. C. A. dealer will ask you for 2, passport-style photos and information about yourself necessary for the transfer of the gun. He will assist you in preparing the B. A. T. F. Form 4, Application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registration of a Firearm, and the F. B. I. fingerprint cards. You will state that you have a reason to own the firearm, such as for sport or competitive shooting, investment or collecting. He will also put you in contact with the chief law enforcement official in the jurisdiction where you live, whom you will ask to sign the Form 4. After the paperwork has been completed, you will pay the dealer the $200 Federal Tax. He will then send the completed forms and the tax to the B. A. T. F. in Washington, D. C. You will be notified when the Application for Transfer arrives at the B. A. T. F. Approval typically takes 12 to 16 weeks, although it can take up to 6 months in some cases, and the B. A. T. F. will notify you and your dealer of the approval.



Third, when the approved Form 4 is returned to the dealer, you can pick up your gun. Make an appointment with your dealer, and plan to spend an hour or so. You will need to complete the Form 4473 required for all firearms transactions, and you should spend some time going over the features, operation, maintenance, and safe handling of your gun.



You do have to send in a form also if you plan to take the gun out of state.

I would love to get one, however the price of the guns are too steep for me... . Maybe i'll just get a suppressor instead!

 

[jwdeeming]

Don't some states have quirky storage-requirements as well? My old kickboxing coach had a Colorado Class III license, and I seem to recall some discussion about him having to have it under lock and key with some minimum requirements, but I can't remember the details... I also recall hearing that local law enforcement had to be notified and approve.

 

[Silver]

gonehuntingagain



From what I heard, in Texas, it is about the same as you're talking about + you have to prove you have a safe to store it in.



I was shooting my brother's Armalite AR-10 (. 308) today. Maaaan I love that gun. Oo.

 

[sdalton]

from what I know, you have to have the local police chief sign off on it, as well as putting in the aplication to the ATF. At least that is what I would have to do.

 

[gonehuntingagain]

If you spent that much money on a gun & class 3 permit, I would hope you put it in a safe while you are not home!



Seems like common sense to me.



I have heard that there is a clause on the permit application that pretty much says you give up your 4th amendment rights, and the ATF can come looking at any time. I do not know how much truth there is in this, but it may be worth investigating before signing on the dotted line.

Would it be worth it? Maybe... give me a silenced H&K MP5 and i'll let you know!

 

[Silver]

Maybe I'll just learn to pull the trigger faster

 

[The patriot]

Originally posted by sdalton

from what I know, you have to have the local police chief sign off on it, as well as putting in the aplication to the ATF. At least that is what I would have to do.

I dont know for sure, as there is no class 3 in NJ, but there are several types of class 3 guns you can buy.

I believe youre refering to post 1986 weapons.

From what I'm told, anything built after 86 is for "dealer samples" only. This means you CAN own it, but it's supposed to be for a sample for possible sales to law enforcement.

These post 86 guns require slightly different paperwork than the pre 86 guns, that can be legally transferred to other class 3 owners w/o a police dept letter.

Clear as mud... . eh?

Eric

 

[JSmith]

Any body know what it takes to get one in California?

:-laf :-laf

 

[The patriot]

An act of God ?

But it's still probibally easier than NJ. :-laf

eric

 

[The patriot]

a good class 3 enthusiast mag....

http://www.smallarmsreview.com/



This mag has some semi auto, but is mostly dedicated to class 3.

If youre serious about class 3, this is an excellent mag.

Eric

 

[Kickin Y2K]

I have heard that there is a clause on the permit application that pretty much says you give up your 4th amendment rights, and the ATF can come looking at any time.

Yeah, that myth has been around a long time. Fact is, it's just a myth.

Believe it or not, one can own an automatic weapon in CA, but requires CLEO authorization as well as the state DOJ approval. which pretty much takes an act of God.

That's the one of the few things I miss about Colorado, but at least a friend bought my stuff when i moved so I can still go out there and shoot it anytime.

 

[fbaurley]

Any body that from the midwest and wants to see some class 3 firepower needs to go to the annual Knob Creek Kentucky machine gun shoot. It s locatecd about an hour from Louisvllle Kentucky, and is held for a couple of days everry september. This show is held at a shooting range, and youd be amazed. Its the only place I know were you could buy a 50 caliber browing, and test it in the same day. that is if you have the class three license.

 

[The patriot]

I think Knob creek has a spring shoot, in may possibly??? Not sure on the month.

There's also a MG shoot in Dover-Foxcroft, Maine. I dont think it's as big as the one in Bullet county, Kentucky though.

Eric

 

[Kickin Y2K]

From what I'm told, anything built after 86 is for "dealer samples" only. This means you CAN own it, but it's supposed to be for a sample for possible sales to law enforcement.

This is correct, anything after '86 is a dealer sample. Only a DEALER can own them.

As for Knob Creek, I think that's next weekend? I know a bunch of people that attend regularly (lucky SOBs) :{ I think the website is machingunshoot.com? There's a lot of cool pics on the site, and some cool videos!!

 

[Kickin Y2K]

Just did a search and the site is http://www.machingunshoot.com . Also check out http://www.knobcreekshoot.com/ Dammit, now I want to go out shootin'

 

[MD500E]

I have been to knob creek several times as well as up to the Maine shoot. I have a couple of friends who are class 3 and attend regularly. If you have any interest in this stuff then this is the place to go. Becoming a dealer is as said before unless you live in one of those states... I believe new jersey has quite a few class 3 weapons in the state that were grandfathered in after the law changed years back. I haven't been current with the prices but last I saw MP-5's were getting up to 10 grand!!!!!