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Well I had a 350 mile trip today and the clutch would not release. They told me a spring broke and was floating around, not letting it release. It worked and it did not, it got worse in a hurry, but I made it home. I got one commuing from south bend and got one for a 350 hp.

Now my brother will help me out but I need to find any kind of instructions I can. Can we drop transfer and transmission in one unit? I looked a daves Frizts site with no luck.

It has 120K on it, original clutch, It has pulled most of the miles.

Thanks for any help!

DDT
 
Drop the transmission, transfer case, and bellhousing in one piece. You'll have to remove the shift tower of the 5 speed and unbolt the linkage of the transfer case shifter to get it to drop through the hole. Should be no problem for you.



When I put them back in I bolt the bellhousing on the transmission with the clutch fork and throw out bearing installed an put that piece in fitst. Then support it with something, put in the transfer case and lastly the crossmember. Good luck.



-Scott
 
I forgot to add, don't forget to disconnect the vacuum lins from the transfer case and the reverse light wire from the top of the transmission. I uh... never made that mistake. :rolleyes:



-Scott
 
Thanks

So are you saying to reinstall seperate the transfer case from transmission?

What is the way to remove the shifter? I would like to know before I screw some thing up.
 
You could do the install as all one unit but it would be very heavy and awkward. It's not bad working with gravity but going the other way I do it in two pieces.



The shifter on yours will be easy. Get the boot an stuff loose from inside the cab and you will see 4 bolts holding the shift tower down. Take them out and the tower lifts right out. No problem.



-Scott
 
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Is there a gasket between the transmission & transfer case?

Might be a good time to put in a new seal at tail of transfer case.
 
This is just a suggestion that may help you a little. Take a ratchet strap and go around the transmission and the plate on the floor jack if you have one. It won't support the transmission by itself but it will help keep in on the jack. If you have another floor jack use it on the transfer case in the same way ( with another strap). Two jacks make a big difference if you have them. Just my . 02, hope this helps.
 
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Good suggestion Chris. I'm a little spoiled having a really nice transmission jack and a 4 ton floor jack. The transmission jack was one of those "hey, will you store this for me" deals. How could I refuse? ;)



There is an aluminum adapter between the transmission and transfer case. The adapter is open to transmission fluid and houses the fifth gear and corresponding sincro of the transmission. I take it apart and leave the adaper attached to the transfercase. There is no gasket between it and the transmission so get some good "form-a-gasket", RTV, or something of that kind to seal it up when you put it back together. Brake cleaner works well to remove the oil from the seal surface before applying the sealer.



That should do it for you. You will also have to drain the transmission before separation (unless you want a mess) so get fluid for it too. The manufacturer reccomends Syntorq but I have good luck with Redline MT-90 and some guys use Amsoil. It's a good idea to drain the transfer case too becasue it will dribble out the rear seal when you tip it down for removal otherwise. These are all things you will find out. Good luck.



-Scott
 
I have done two clutchs now (both in one month), and it is not a bad project. 5 to 8 hours to get it done.



It is easy to pull both the transmission and transfer case at the same time, not worth splitting them unless you have a leak already.



TOOLS:

· transmission jack

· 2 or 3 ratchet straps

· porta power (this will make removing the cross member MUCH eaiser) A bottle jack and a piece of 4x4 will work in a pinch. Drill a hole in the end of the 4x4 to allow the bottle jack shaft to go in the 4x4 a couple of inches

· Selection of wrenches, sockets, drifts/punches, and maybe a prybar or two.

· various other garage implements.





1. Jack the truck up front and rear so the tires are at least 6” off the ground. You can be lower, but it is so much easier to deal with the flywheel and clutch pak if you can be actually sitting under the truck.

2. Remove Front and rear drive shafts. You will have to remove the carrier bearing assembly for the rear as well. Use a rubber glove to put over the end of the transfer case to keep the oil from dripping all over.

3. Remove the skid plate.

4. Disconnect the various wires and hoses from the transmission and transfer case.

5. Disconnect the 4wd linkage from the transfer case

6. remove the vacuum lines (if you have the CAD) from the cross member and the frame.

7. Unbolt and remove the clutch slave cylinder and secure it out of the way.

8. Remove ALL BUT TWO of the transmission mounting bolts – one on each side.

9. Remove the two bolts from the exhaust mount on the rear of the transmission.

10. Disassemble the shift tower and remove the four bolts holding the stick to the transmission. Pull up on the stick assembly and set to the side.

11. Set the transmission jack under the transmission in the rear half of the transmission. Use a ratchet strap to help secure the transmission to the jack. Take care no to have the straps where they will get cut when the transmission comes down, and that the transmission will not roll over on the jack. Put just a little upward pressure on the transmission.

12. Remove the 8 nuts & bolts holding the cross member, and the 2 holding the transfer case mount

13. Set the porta power between the frame rails behind the cross member and slowly start to spread the frame. When the cross member is loose, remove the transfer case mount.

14. Continue to spread the frame until you can wiggle, and twist the cross member out DO NOT OVER SPREAD THE FRAME! Only spread it enough where you can slide the cross member slightly forward to get over the ridge to get it out. You may have to set the porta power behind the transfer case so you can slide the cross member towards the rear.

15. Once the cross member is removed verify that there is nothing still attached to the transmission (wires/vacuum lines, brackets attached to the truck somehow…) and remove the porta power

16. lower the transmission about 1 to 1. 5 inches.

17. Set another jack under the oil pan. With a piece of wood to distribute the weight, slowly lift the front of the engine so you have a little angle pointing down towards the rear of the truck. You may have to lower the transmission another inch.

18. Remove the last two bolts and split the transmission from the engine.

19. Pull the transmission straight back from the engine until the input shaft is clear of the clutch pak. Keep an eye on the shift tower so that it clears the access hole to the cab. You may have to lower the transmission some more, or lift the front of the engine.

20. Once the transmission is clear of the clutch, continue to slowly lower and push the transmission back. You may have to move slightly to the drivers side to clear the exhaust mount bracket.

21. Once the transmission is clear of obstruction, lower it all the way and slide back so that you can get to the clutch pak with ease.

22. Remove the uppermost pressure plate bolt and rethread by hand about ½ way in.

23. Using the clutch alignment tool from your new clutch, insert it into the friction plate and into the flywheel bearing

24. Remove the rest of the plate bolts in a star or criss cross pattern.

25. Keeping a good grip on the pressure plate, remove the last bolt from the pressure plate and remove the clutch pak from the flywheel

26. Remove and rethread the uppermost bolt on the flywheel

27. Remove the remaining bolts on the flywheel.

28. Using a dead blow or rubber mallet, smack the crap out of the flywheel until it breaks loose from the engine.

29. Keeping a firm grip on the flywheel, it weighs like 75#, remove the last bolt and remove the flywheel. OK it only weighs maybe 40, but 75 made you hold on to it a little better.

30. Have the flywheel ground by a shop that uses a grinder NOT A LATHE to resurface the flywheel.

31. Using a flashlight, look inside the bell housing of the transmission and on the left side (while you are looking at it) there is a keeper spring that is holding the clutch lever to the pivot point. You need to see how it os on there so you can put it back on the same way. Remove the clutch lever by pulling straight back, the retaining spring will come with it. Remove the throw out bearing and install the new one.

32. Reinstall the clutch lever in the transmission.

33. Once you have your flywheel back, thoroughly clean the surface with brake cleaner, including all the holes in the outer edge. When it is clean DO NOT TOUCH THE SURFACE WITH GREASY HANDS.

34. Remove the old pilot bearing and Lightly grease the new pilot bearing and insert it in the flywheel with the proper tools (a socket with the same diameter as the driver and a hammer works in a pinch). Clean any new grease marks on the flywheel

35. Hold the flywheel up to the engine and thread the upper most bolt to hold it in place, then thread the rest of the bolts. Tighten them to the proper torque (90ft pounds) in a star or criss cross pattern.

36. Verify that you have the correct friction plate by fitting it on the input shaft of the transmission. DO NOT TOUCH THE SURFACE WITH GREASY HANDS!

37. Using the clutch alignment tool, insert it in the friction plate with the appropriate markings on the friction plate facing out and then insert the assembly into the pilot bearing on the flywheel.

38. Hold the pressure plate up to the flywheel, and thread the upper most bolt to hold it in place. Thread the rest of the mounting bolts into the pressure plate.

39. In a criss cross or star pattern tighten the mounting bolts one turn at a time BY HAND. DO NOT USE AN IMPACT WRENCH!

40. Torque the bolts to the appropriate number (20ft pounds)

41. Roll the transmission into position and begin jacking it up. You will have to move forward and up in small increments to clear the clutch assembly and the shift tower in the cab. Watch for anything the transmission may catch on (4wd linkage, clutch slave cylinder, wires, hoses…)

42. Once you have the transmission lined up and partially inserted into the clutch assembly, use another ratchet strap running from frame rail to frame rail near the transfer case to help hold that end up. This will allow you to make the minor adjustments to the angle while inserting.

43. Continue to move the transmission into the clutch, being careful not to fore it. Using a drift in the dowel pin holes will help with the alignment. Use of a geared socket to turn the flywheel from the access port on the passenger side of the engine (opposite of the starter) may make aligning the splines easier.

44. Once the transmission is up against the engine, insert the mounting bolts and tighten them up.

45. Release the jack under the oil pan slowly while lifting the transmission up at the same speed.

46. Re-install everything removed in reverse order (16, 15, …1)





To be continued tonight. I have to get ready for work. You guys let me know if you want it continued, or I missed something.
 
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Clutch Pedel

I don't know if I missed this in anyone's previous post. You'll also want to use a bungee, rope or tie-down to tie clutch pedel "up" to the steering wheel. Otherwise your fluid can leak out meaning you'll need to bleed the system. That is NOT a fun job.



Tracy
 
I never had an issue with clutch fluid leakage. Did you disconnect the lines or just unbolt the slave cylinder from the bellhousing?



-Scott
 
Thanks to all of you!!

I think we will get-r-done now. I call peter this morning, I asked if the one there sending me will work for pulling trailers, sure 7 or 8 K would be fine. I told him I had a 1 ton and often gross out. SO he made me spend alotttttt mooore money for the next step up. I hope the banker is in a good mood.

Thanks for all the wisdom. This is the best site on earth.
 
Scott,



Quite honestly, I don't remember what I disconnected, it was probably close to three years ago. When I borrowed a trans. jack from a guy I know who has changed clutches in vehicles from Toyotas to Macks, he made the suggestion, as he had learned the hard way. I think of it as a 30 second prevention for something that could take a day to fix.



Tracy
 
If you just unbolt the slave cylinder from the bell housing and let it hang from thre line there is no way for fluid to get out and no need to bleed the system. In fact there is no Chrysler procedure for bleeding the system. It is a sealed system and you're suppose to go buy the whole thing new if any part of it breaks. The bungee sounds like a precaution but not necessary IMHO.



-Scott
 
Originally posted by SRadke

If you just unbolt the slave cylinder from the bell housing and let it hang from thre line there is no way for fluid to get out and no need to bleed the system. In fact there is no Chrysler procedure for bleeding the system. It is a sealed system and you're suppose to go buy the whole thing new if any part of it breaks. The bungee sounds like a precaution but not necessary IMHO.



-Scott



My bad, I am writing this from memory. I will throw that in now.
 
The instructions are done. Once again, if I missed anything, let me know and I will fix it.



Does anyone know the torque numbers for the flywhelel and the clutch pressure plate?
 
That was my next question.

Does anyone know the torque numbers for the flywheel and the clutch pressure plate?



We got her out. the springs were fine. Clutch is wore out but the pilot bearing was gone except for the outside of it. Throw out bearing is noisy and ruff, but at least it was still in one piece. It took us 2 hours to remove. Man the cross member was a BEAR.

Would it be a good idea to use white lithium grease on bearing for the install?
 
Originally posted by sticks

The instructions are done. Once again, if I missed anything, let me know and I will fix it.



Does anyone know the torque numbers for the flywhelel and the clutch pressure plate?



I think you forgot some "beer" in there somewhere. . ;) (j/k)



90 Ft/Lbs on the FlyWheel to crank (w/locktite)

20Ft/Lbs on the Presure plate (Not sure about locktite. . )



Don't forget, SBC's need 50-150 miles (depending on driving) to break in. Don't burn the clutch, but don't baby it. It will need some slipping, and some heat cycles to properly break-in.



Don't be suprised when it gets out of the shop, and teh first time you hammer on it,, it slips. Completely normal. Give it some time,, don't overheat it (smelling clutch is bad), and it'll give you good service.



Merrick
 
When it gets done there will be beer.

I got my rear main seal at cummins, asked about torque settings.

101 Ft/Lbs on the FlyWheel to crank w/ blue locktite

65Ft/Lbs on the Pressure plate w/ blue locktite.

Why don't out numbers match??

Thanks for the tip about the new clutch. This is my first new one, hope its the last. BOMMING is EXPENSIVE.
 
Not sure.



I know it's 101 Ft/Lbs on the Harmonic balancer on the front of the motor.



65Ft/Lbs sounds like an awfull lot for the pressure plate. Those bolts are so tiny.



I got my numbers from Peter @ South Bend Clutch.



I used Red Locktite on mine,, I'm a bit overly hard on my stuff.



Merrick
 
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