Cold Cold Cummins

[Northerner]

I have to ask if anyone has experienced a 15 mile drive to get to the first opening of their thermostat? This morning it was 42 below Celsius and thats what it took to get the first cycle to start. The heater fan was on low with the temperature setting at 1/2. and the rad covered with cardboard . Thats not near as fast as my 99 was. If I stop driving I need to put the heat on low and the fan at it's lowest setting or the engine temp. drops into the basement even on fast idle.

 

[XcumminsX]

yeah i know... . thats the only thing that sucks about having such a mosterous engine. It takes forever to make heat... plus our coolant reserve is HUGE

 

[gonzo2]

The last time I was in Cochrane, it seemed like everyone snowmobiled to work.

Yes, I think these engines throw less heat, it's probably a good thing most of the time but not at -40.

 

[Big_Daddy_T]

Diesels dont make sufficient waste heat. To top it off cummins throws on a head that breathes a little too good. I load my engine manually to get the temps up. Little stuff. Run it up to 1000 while in gear at a stoplight. Warm it up in gear. Use a stick to up the rpm if in park or neutral and im not in it. I dont run the heater unless im loading it. I drive in 4x4 even if I dont need it(not on dry roads). I look for hills. At -20 my windows start to ice up. At -40 I dont think I would make enough heat to keep it warm enough to prevent washdown. You would almost need a exhaust brake to keep a partial load on it when you were driving down the highway. The highway cools mine down in a hurry. Even with 80% blockage with cardboard. I been thinking bout going with a full winter front.

 

[Northerner]

They say Ferds are good for heat. Maybe I can get a PSD to tow around when its cold. That should heat things up.

 

[juicedcummins]

The 04's are short on heat. The new programing is better is some ways and a little short in others. It will idle up to 1000 every time you stop in park or neutral for a few seconds which is a good start but it needs about 1400 when it's real cold. They don't have the 3cyl warm-up either like the older ones. {never was a fan of that anyway , but it did make heat}

The 04 that I'm familiar with has been back to the dealer for the heat concerns and the owner is not happy. He has had a 98 12valve,01 24valve after many previous fords and they all would cook you right out of the cab.

 

[Big_Daddy_T]

roflmao



Would solve your problem definitely.



International was very wise to install warm up components. They call it CAP. Its a little butterfly that closes in the exhuast and creates heat via the restriction(more to it than that). They also have an AIC package that you can buy to up the rpms. Its for power take offs and such. Nothing a high idler and an exhaust brake cant fix but the cap is factory standard. Plus I believe the PSD generates more waste heat anyways. They cannot run a 24v on the north slope. Itll wash out in a few hundred hours and cannot keep the cab warm. They run too darn cold.



Its all about efficiency. They shoulda designed in more waste at idle. Someone messed up or they made a tradeoff that hurts us northerners.

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Get an exhaust brake, many 2nd Gen guys use that for quick warmups, I plan to put one on mine eventually for that reason.



Vaughn

 

[Archive]

I wonder if a valve cover and oil pan blanket such as those ATP sells would help?

I have yet to put mine in the cool temps you fellas mention, so unable to compare results with pan blanket installed.



JJ

 

[HEMI®Dart]

Perhaps somebody could experiment running fanless in the 3rd Gen trucks? We second generation guys have been doing this for about 5 years. I LOVE it and never want to put it back on.



I am fanless w/ 50% of the radiator blocked and it's still cold blooded. If I block 90% of the radiator I can build some heat into it.



If the test truck is an auto an aftermarket trans temp guage would be a good idea.

 

[Northerner]

Originally posted by Big_Daddy_T

roflmao



Its all about efficiency. They shoulda designed in more waste at idle. Someone messed up or they made a tradeoff that hurts us northerners.

Hey Big_Daddy_T I agree with you on that. These 3'rd gens. need to work to warm up . We've had -40 and better for a few days now. I have reverted to the tricks I learned with my 1st gen. I keep it running, put the heater at its lowest output when at idle and the blower on lowest setting also. Most important I dress real warm. . !!!

 

[LightmanE300]

-40 JEEEEZ! That just doesn't sound pleasant. I'm annoyed its 50F here, haha. . I guess it's all a matter of what you're used to. Ya get spoiled down here! At least your truck starts and runs at that temp! Go cummins! =]

 

[Northerner]

Originally posted by LightmanE300

-40 JEEEEZ! That just doesn't sound pleasant. I'm annoyed its 50F here, haha. . I guess it's all a matter of what you're used to. Ya get spoiled down here! At least your truck starts and runs at that temp! Go cummins! =]

LightmanE300



You never get used to -40 The best way to think about it to imagine a warm june evening with a couple hundred pounds of black flies and mosquitos around you. that keeps it tolerable!

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Hemi-Dart the fans on these trucks are ECM controlled and do not engage at all in the winter, so no point in removing them like the 2nd Gen guys do.



Vaughn

 

[CATCRACKER]

remember diesel run cold because of their long stroke and high compression. the long stoke brings lots of cold air in and gives it plenty of time to cool the cylinder. i wonder if for warming up in the morning those without a exhaust break could just cover a portion of thier tail pipes? tell me what you guys think!