Common Rail Is COMMON

[Sean Flanagan]

The new ISB uses the "new" Bosch common rail injection technology. I just found out that that is what is in the DURAMAX! To Find out more go here...



www.vanaaken.com

click PERFORMANCE then DIESEL SPORT then SMARTBOX UPGRADES then GM DURAMAX then click the MORE button at the bottom of the page... read on...



The good news is that, for those of you thinking of getting one of these new beasts, someones already cracked the electronics so you should be able to get more power shortly after it's released. Bombs Away!



More good news, GM gets to help work out any growing pains with Bosch and the common rail system.

 

[nickleinonen]

the VA box is old news. the hot ticket box right now is the edge juice box. 90hp 250ft/lbs. a couple of guys on the gm forum have the juice and propane. they say i runs like a raped ape... lol the allison doesn't like that power in 5th. . now if edge can work that magic with the new common rail cummins, that would be perfect.

 

[Chipstien]

Untill I see Bombs that get the HP up to 450... . I will stick with the pre-common rail engine.

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

Common Rail has distinct advantages over VP44 engines. They have 6 delivervalves vs 1 delivery valve on the vp44.



under very high fueling demands the delivery valve solenoid sees a duty cycle long enough to overheat and loose spring tension.



a Comp or TST race on highest setting can do this if used for long duration.



Common rail injectors are expensive but their potential should outweigh the cost.



It will be a long while until common rail gets anywhere near a p-pump though.



FWIW,

Mark

 

[nickleinonen]

450 won't be that hard to get. if it is 305 stock, edge or someone else can probably make something to match the juice box for the d-max @ 90 hp & 250 trq so that gives us 395 hp & ± 800 trq or so. now, just ad some lpg to the mix and you are at 475 hp and ± 1000 trq. now if someone does trick injectors and bigger turbo/exhaust [5" ] and some nos and what ever other goodies you can think of [how about some of those magnetic rings you put on the fuel lines to line up the fule molicules LOL] you will be putting out some sick number. . and your transmission won't be enjoying it. .

 

[RKleis]

Common rail nothing new

I have spoken to cummins europe a while ago,

the new common rail on the ISBe is operating over here for

something over a year already in various truck implementations.

Horsepower rating over here is 275, should be the same as the 305 advertised for the dodge,

since hp ratings in europe are different from sae.

rob

 

[bighammer]

... and don't forget the added 15% horsepower of the Eaton Fuller knob

 

[nickleinonen]

Re: Common rail nothing new

Originally posted by RKleis

Horsepower rating over here is 275, should be the same as the 305 advertised for the dodge,

since hp ratings in europe are different from sae.

rob

do you mean that the engines there are rated at 275 kW's? [kilowatts]

to convert hp to kW, you multiply by 0. 7457

to convert kW to Hp, you divide by 0. 7457



if that EU cummins is 275 kW [now lets all hope it is] that works out to 368. 78 hp..... if it is 275 hp, well... that can always be boosted. .

 

[RKleis]

nick,

sorry to disappoint you,

I meant hp.

The difference in hp rating afaik is sae is defined as pure engine block hp, no bolt ons like generators and such, vs european

is with all accessories like generator, flywheel and such.

Hence, the difference in hp rating.

Sorry I can' state it more eloquently.

What I really meant to say is that the engine configuration the

'03s are going to get are not something close to unproven, but rather operating in europe for over a year already with the common rail.

In fact, most new or revised diesel engines over here are now equipped with common rail injection, and generally it's a bosch setup.

regards,

rob

 

[kchristopher]

Originally posted by RKleis

The difference in hp rating afaik is sae is defined as pure engine block hp, no bolt ons like generators and such, vs european is with all accessories like generator, flywheel and such.

I believe you are thinking of the old 'SAE Gross' from way back. SAE net has been in use since the early 70's and is based on a fully dressed motor.

 

[RKleis]

You may well be correct and I may be mistaken.

Anyway, this is what cummins has on their german homepage,

they sell the common rail setup in four different

hp configs presently:







ISBe-185

136kW @ 2500 min –1

700 Nm @ 1200-1700 min –1



ISBe-220

162kW @ 2500 min –1

820 Nm @ 1200-1700 min –1



ISBe-250

184kW @ 2500 min –1

950 Nm @ 1400-1700 min –1





ISBe-275

202kW @ 2500 min –1

950 Nm @ 1400-1700 min –1





Abmessungen:



Länge:

1072 mm



Breite:

735 mm



Höhe:

841 mm



Betriebsgewicht:

470 kg





Sorry for metric dimensions





Anything I can find out from them, let me know and I try

to contact them directly.

rob

 

[mopars1]

Hi Rob, it is nice to see you on the board. My wife's maternal relation live in Landshut not too far from you. I was in Munchen 6 years ago. Enjoyed it enough that I would like to get back for a month or so but I can't get my wife to fly anymore. She was scared before, now she would have to be knocked out to get her on an airplane since the crap in New York. It would be a trick to drive my truck across the Atlantic to get there. She doesn't mind riding long distances in the truck!



David

 

[RKleis]

Hi David, thanks for the warm welcome.

I work around Landshut quite a bit, we actually operate

a farm out there.

As for your driving over, flotation tires are a must

I can sympathize (sp?) with your wife about the flying hassles,

not so much for fear (you haven't been driving with me)

but for the check-in procedures and the smoking restrictions.

I don't know what bathers me more.

I am working on that, though, and then maybe...



Anyway, you want anything relayed or your wife feels like a picture

posted from here, let me know.

regards, rob