Ctd In Military Hummer

[CTM]

I was wondering if anyone knows of or has done a swap such as this. I heard of a shop that was doing the swap into other vehicles but i dont know their name or number. Iwould like to contact them and ask them the same questions. Any info from anyone on this would be greatly appreciated since im seriously going to try to do this. Thank yall for your time and input.

 

[britannic]

I searched for Hummer in this forum and got a ton of hits, here's an example from the results:

Hummer CTD Conversion

 

[DKarvwnaris]

I bet you could use a 5. 9 mated to a 4bt/GM bellhousing setup to put in front of the hummer transmission. The military hummers are relatively similar to the civilian models except the ones I have seen have been from the mid 80's or so, this would be a good setup sice they have few electronics on these and the torque converters are already in the approximate rpm range.



When we finally get our troops back from stepping on Al Qaeda skulls, I bet the newer HMMVEE's will be getting turned in for auction in short order. I am hoping to get a few of these to do the same with. My only concern is, once people see the abilities of the hummers with a cummins, the used ones are going to be even harder to find.

 

[CTM]

All i can say is WOW you guys are great. I sure do appreciate all the info and the links. As far as the military hummers go,dont expect them to go to an aution when the military is done with them. The way i hear it they will be scrapped since they dont meet DOT requirements. Thanks again for all the help. This site is great.

 

[RobertBolinger]

From another post... thanks to Cooker...



This is for sale:



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...item=2468345953

 

[DKarvwnaris]

Originally posted by CTM

As far as the military hummers go,



The way i hear it they will be scrapped since they dont meet DOT requirements. Thanks again for all the help. This site is great.

They will be sold as incomplete units, but you can put them back together quite easily. The DOT excuse is a bunch of crap, They are mechanicallly the same until the interior and lighting systems go on. I visited the Hummer factory shortly after the civilian models started entering the market. The assembly lines are the same until the bodies are ready for paint, etc. Driveline wise, they are only split up after the bodies are ready to mount up.



The military trucks from years gone by are not "DOT" approved either, but I have owned two 6x6's and licensed them for the street as well. I would tend to think that Hummer wants to keep their civilian models free from a lessor version lowering their prices. You could have the vehicle inpspected by a local DOT or Highway Patrol to verify it met the requirements for street, I've done this more than once, not a big deal.

When my wife and I were stationed in Lompoc, CA a few years back, A guy in Santa Barbara Ca was buying semi truck loads of hmmvees from Camp Pendleton, 29 palms Marine base, and some other bases. I was going to buy one from him, but he ended up building three out of the parts and selling the remainder of the parts to a military restoration club before I knew he was finished with the parts. He sold the assembled hmmvees for around $30,000. 00 each. He kept one and had the others sold in less than a month.

 

[Wayno]

I don't think its a DOT thing . I think its a EPA thing . Thats why they cut up the last bunch of jeeps they sold . Some people bought the pieces and put them back together and sold them but there was a disclaimer with them when you bought one about not EPA approve and they were to be use off road only . I saw some for sale a while back .

 

[DKarvwnaris]

EPA or not, so long as you upgrade the engine to a newer model from a "EPA" approved vehicle such as oh, say a dodge cummins 1996 model for instance, you have the stamping from that engines data tag showing it is for automotive use meeting the tier emissions of 1996. Make sure you utilize the Catalytic converter if soe equipped, at least for the inspection.

I have not had any problems with this in the past, granted regs are getting more strict, but in several states, you can still register a vehicle as home built/ specialty construction etc. We do this for tubeframed Jeeps as well as dune buggies. I can't see this being any different if the DMV does give you problems. I have yet to have much of a hassle in registering any ex military equipment at all, but this should be a viable option if you do encounter the lower than 50 IQ DMV clerks attitude.

 

[britannic]

You can buy complete or semi-complete vehicles from the GSA's auctions. That's how I got my M1028, all I had to do in the Republic of Kalifornia, was get a weight certificate and then register it - took them a while on the phone verifying the VIN, since GM didn't release it outside of the military.



The DMV clerk came out, checked the VINs matched on the various plates and registered my truck as a smog exempt diesel and away I went! The other quirk (maybe similar in other states) is that we have to register pickups as commercial vehicles, or we'll get a ticket if we carry anything in the bed.

 

[DHayden]

Actually it's not the EPA or DMV it's GM. They got upset quit a few years back when military hummv's started hitting the auction block. In there new contract with the government they stipulated that Hummv's would be destroyed and not put up for auction at GSA. This was to keep the cheap to get mililitary version from auctions from flooding the civilian market.



Take it for what its worth, I'm sure someone somewhere will get their hands on at least one. There's always a way around things if you look hard enough.

 

[DKarvwnaris]

Like I said, Doubt the DMV or EPA is the issue.

Originally posted by DKarvwnaris

I would tend to think that Hummer wants to keep their civilian models free from a lessor version lowering their prices. [/B]

Due to the reutilization policies of the military now, everything is subject to generating revenue when disposed of

I have tried bidding on several of the units, but I couldn't afford the lots as a whole. One went for $20,000. 00 which included about 9 incomplete units. The only hard part is finding small lots. I have been checking the auctions in the Northwest alot lately trying to get construction equipment and semi trailers from our local base. I've seen a few lots, but nothing complete enough to bid on by itself.



As you said, if theres a will theres a way. Our tax dollars bought the equipment, The DoD regs on reutilization require that all equipment not of a sensitive or ordinance nature be put up for auction to return funds to the DoD upon its demise. GM's contracts are not specific to PARTS lots, just whole vehicles, thats how the HMMVEES are still getting out to us, in parts. All you have to do is put them back together. Some frames are actually still intact, some are not. It usually takes two or three to make one good one. If you were planning to put in a different motor, you could do it alot easier.

 

[Wayno]

Originally posted by DHayden

Actually it's not the EPA or DMV it's GM. They got upset quit a few years back when military hummv's started hitting the auction block. In there new contract with the government they stipulated that Hummv's would be destroyed and not put up for auction at GSA. This was to keep the cheap to get mililitary version from auctions from flooding the civilian market.



Take it for what its worth, I'm sure someone somewhere will get their hands on at least one. There's always a way around things if you look hard enough.

So what was Jeeps problem a few years back .

 

[DKarvwnaris]

The Jeeps in the late parts of the Vietnam era and newer models are death traps. I can't remember the model #'s of them, but they would flip over if driven "improperly" in turns. The IFS front ends were not responsive enough to cycle back after hitting bumps and they would fold in too far, then the Jeeps would flip over if the wheels were turned when they reconnected with the ground.

DMV was not against the registration of them, they were just impossible to get insurance for. There are few of them on the road now as Historical Military trucks, but few are licensed as daily drivers.

I wouldn't own one unless it was a trailer baby for a car show. They really were death traps, You could drive an old CJ-3 at twice the speed and not have half the stability issues as the IFS jeeps.

Alot of these jeeps were cut up, and no one wanted to bother putting them back together out of parts except for the die hard restoration buffs.

 

[Kickin Y2K]

Originally posted by DKarvwnaris

The Jeeps in the late parts of the Vietnam era and newer models are death traps. I can't remember the model #'s of them, but they would flip over if driven "improperly" in turns. The IFS front ends were not responsive enough to cycle back after hitting bumps and they would fold in too far, then the Jeeps would flip over if the wheels were turned when they reconnected with the ground.

DMV was not against the registration of them, they were just impossible to get insurance for. There are few of them on the road now as Historical Military trucks, but few are licensed as daily drivers.

I wouldn't own one unless it was a trailer baby for a car show.

That would be the M151 series, you are quite misinformed about them. I have six of them and they get driven quite frequently they are only as unsafe as the driver.

 

[DKarvwnaris]

I was going by the History channels "History of the Jeep" show as well as a Jeep historical society I used to attend meets with. History channel had DoD personnel talking down about them in regards to why the "HMMVEE was needed". Most historical guys thought of them about the same I spoke with.



Personally, I have driven one, it was quite squirrely, but then again it was on a timed offroad course. (My scrambler did much better in that event with 32" tires on it and a mild lift)

The M151 as you called it did get very "touchy" on rough terrain at moderate speeds.

I only had that one chance to drive one, so you may be right. I will take your word for it verses taking one out again.

 

[DKarvwnaris]

Hi,

I found this old thread. Did you ever proceed with doing a Cummins in a Humvee?



I'm in the middle of this now having pulled the drivetrain out of a '03 RAM, (an ISB 305, 47RE, and tcase) and am going to put the actual motor in next week.

I gave up trying to find as Humvee chassis in decent enough shape to do this with. Where did you find yours at? On second thought, nevermind, once the place is posted on here, every tom,dick, and Harry will be buying them up.

How about some general hints where to look. Other than a few biker shops who were selling them online, I've seen nothing worth buying buying, and none of what I saw were under $15,000 for a rolling parts project, unless I bought a semi trailer full of pieces.