Cummins vs Duramax vs PSD

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Just read the knew 4-wheeler magazine and am sick to my stomach that the new duramax and psd spanked the cummins. I wonder what Dodge/Cummins have in mind to compete, they better have something or I'm going to mad!

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1997 2500,4x4,SLT,TST 230hp
1990 W250,4x4,4"Lift,33"tires,straight piped,Fuel Increased.

 

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My personal opinion is that the Cummins competes just fine like it is right now. It definately has more power potential then the other two. I could care less about a magazine article. My Dodge pulls better than the Ford ever could and I just would never buy GM no matter if it had 900lbs. I just hate GM that much! #ad


Jack

 

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jthorpe-I totally agree with you. Both of my Dodge trucks will beat a PSD and probably a Duramax, but it's on paper and everybody is going to br mouthing about it.



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1997 2500,4x4,SLT,TST 230hp
1990 W250,4x4,4"Lift,33"tires,straight piped,Fuel Increased.

 

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Exactly, it is all on PAPER. I can't wait to see real world results. Even if the Duramax has more power, they can have it. I am totally happy with the DC/Cummins combo and will probably never change, unless they don't make a CC soon.

Jack

 

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Exactly, proof is in the pudding. No diesel out there comes close to the durability that the Cummins does. Look at the after market add-ons out there for the Cummins (simple add-ons if you ask me) that will take it's power above the Duramax. My Cummins is stock and I didn't by the Dodge because I was I Dodge man. I did loads of research, wherever I found the words diesel and reliabilty, Cummins was there in the same sentence. Cummins outlasts everything!! I wonder how long will those aluminum heads last under the compression that diesels produce. I read the articles on GM's page and they say this engine has been testing since 1997 I think(?).
The fact remains, it's still a new product. Definitely, GM needed a better diesel than their existing Dsl, so it's good for diehard GM fans I suppose - time will tell. I was a diehard GM person myself and sure wished the Cummins could be found in the GM. Give me the Cummins any day, if I ever decide to boost the power that is lurking inside that engine, the minimum it appears that I have to do is change the fuel plate and I turn my 160hp/420ftlb into 230hp/605ftlbs. That's my take on the Duramax 6600 phenomenon anyway.
So don't get mad, be thankful DC had the intelligence to go with someone who knew diesel engines.

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Look at the ad's in the mag. these mags. always go for what is the latest and the greatest. That's what pays the bills. Cummins is the things legends are made of. Will they go 600,000 miles. With a V-8 I doubt it.

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97 2500 4X4 NV4500 NV241HD Towing Package, Camper Special,4. 10's ASD CC 15K Reese 5th wheel hitch

 

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Guys I calmed down a bunch now. I know are cummins has the capabilites to beat it. I wish they would unlesh the beast.

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1997 2500,4x4,SLT,TST 230hp
1990 W250,4x4,4"Lift,33"tires,straight piped,Fuel Increased.

 

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Proof is already out there. Just look at the
peterbilts, KW's, Macks etc. An I-6 is more durable and more efficient than a V-8 any day. Look at Detroits 60 series/cummings N-14 these are the latest and greatest in technology in the big diesels-all I-6's.
I've driven one v-8 Mack and it was a "neat"
truck. The reliability just wasn't there , the v-8 just could not keep up with the I-6's.
I think the Duramax is just going to be another "Flash in the pan". I was really disappointed to find out it was going to be a V-8. I think an Isuzu I-6 could've provided a little competition for the cummings. A V-8 is just another boat anchor in the making.


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97 HD 1 ton,11'flatbed pulling 40' g/n,vac/hyd brakes
200,000 miles and counting

 

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I had a FlowerChoke for just 24k miles, lured away from Cummins by four doors. The engine loved to rev, but we all know torque down low is what is needed. Looking at the specs for the Duramax torque/horsepower is "up" in the rpm range-where you really don't need it. My experience with the Phord brought me back to Cummins for reliability, simplicity, and durability. If problems arise I can take it to Cummins for service-will Izuzu do the same?-International will not!
Chad

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2001 ETH,3500QC,4x4,SLT,6spd, 4. 10,White/Agate,
ordered 12/23/99

1995 3500 4x2,SLT,5spd,3. 54,Straight Exhaust,230/605TST(Soon!)


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I also looked at the article, some observations
1-  5spd auto,6spd man, 4spd auto(detuned)
2- '99 PSD, '99 ISB, '01 prototype
3- What rear gear ratios
4-They never finished the pulling test
5- I believe, less the auto trans, Dodge has the heaviest drive train,but DC keeps detuning the ISB,B5. 9, what does that tell you about useable power.
6- All three are good, Cummins is proven reliable( some elect problems ISB),Powerstroke,a little less reliable, some elect problems. Duromax,????, Seems to used allot of aluminium, the intake, heads, and crankcase.
7- I'll stick with old fashioned, mechanical, uprateable B5. 9
 

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'97 CC 5spd 4. 10 5spd 315/75 16,Bushwacker,TST 280hp.

 

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Hey guys why worry about about the duramax,we already know who makes the best motor right!It will sell becouse its the new thing on the market just like the Phourd,who gives a rats a** anyway!

 

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I was reading a Chrysler brochure the other day. It said that the new power Ram would have a 7. 3L. diesel engine. I thought to myself"where does that come from?" I was at a meeting in Tulsa this weekend with the local Cummins people there and asked them if Commins made a 7. 3L. They mumbled no,that the 7. 3 was a Mercadies diesel. So ya see the writing on the wall guys,Either there will be a choice of diesels or no choice at all. Get your Cummins now while their HOT,cause tomorrow they may be NOT.
Sorry for the bummer thoughts. Later

 

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Doc,
I don't know anything about the 7. 3L engine except that was what the Cummins rep said. He may know more than what he was saying and just assumed it would be a M/B engine since Cummins didn't make one that size. That was a really interesting read. Sounds like a nice engine. One thing ,did I understand it to have a small pump for each cylender instead of one large pump for the whole engine? It does have a lot of electronics on the Freightliner that will never make it to the Dodge. (To expensive)
Didn't meen to alarm anyone,just bring up the subject for discussion... Later.

 

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Seems like I read somewhere the prototype had a Cat engine in it but the production truck would remain a cummins and that there were no plans at least for now to use the MB engine.

It might be nice to see a MB Diesel engine in a Dakota or Durango.

 

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According to TDR issue #26,the PowerWagon has a Cat engine. I talked to my local salesman and he showed me the preliminary sales brochure. I cant remember the HP rating but the torque was in the 700lb range. Believe it or not.

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1999 2500 Cummins w/4spd auto,Quad Cab,SWB,4x4,Flame red ,all options less leather and radio controls on steering wheel,OEM color matched runningboards,DeeZee bedrails painted black,Power Vision Mirrors,OEM ventshades,Oem sill covers,OEM underrail bedliner

 

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I just want to say after driving the Ford, Chevy, and the Dodge, 1) The Cummins out powered the Ford Hands Down and did not wind up to do it, 2) The Chevy Silverado has to be the cheapest made truck on the road right now, my buddies is falling apart literally! If his truck with the 5. 3L can't stay together without windows falling out, leaking interior, seats that unplug themselves, a transmission that can't figure out what to do, a "Smart computer" that is about as smart as concrete, Sheet metal that bends when you sneeze on it, and so on; then what do you think that diesel is going to do to it, even if it is more powerful you'll never get to race one because they will always be in the shop. Ford, well… the are just a POS. Just my personal opinion, no offense to anyone. Sorry for the long post.

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Currently (Yes I know it is not a diesel!)1999 1500, QC SB, 4x2, 5. 9L White/Driftwodd/Mist interior, SLT, pretty much stock.

Can't wait to order - 2001 2500 QC, SB, 4x4 White/Driftwood/Agate Leather, SLT Plus, Cummins, and god only knows how many TDR member Invoked upgrades!

 

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I am willing to bet that Duramax will carry a "light heavy duty" EPA rating just like the Powerchoke. It will sound about as disgusting as a Powerchoke.
It will be a throwaway engine.
Give me a "medium heavy duty" Cummins any day.

 

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According to TDR issue #26,the PowerWagon has a Cat engine.

But you neglect to finish quoting TDR. The *concept* PowerWagon has a Cat engine because Cat had a prototype engine that fit DC's needs for the prototype P/U. DC have a fairly long-term contract with Cummins to purchase 5. 9s; unless DC pays through the nose to end that contract, our favorite P/Us will continue to have Cummins powerplants in them for at least 4 years.

Whilst it's almost always nice to read the HOs here, we *should* retain some factual bases. Otherwise, this will become yet another has-been discussion list. Or might I say 'definitely won't be', since these fora are still rather young.

Fest3er

 

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Just saw the 4 wheeler mag. comparison with the Duramax truck. This was the first time I saw the powertrain. All along I'm thinking it's a 6 like an Isuzu should be, I chuckled when i saw it was an 8. I want to see what emmission rating it will carry (lt. or med. ) as mentioned in a previous post. They have a shot of the "Allison" transmission and looks like it takes a Saturn spin on filter! I've seen just about every Allison and this does not look like any i've seen, I happened to see my Allison warranty man yesterday and he knows of the truck/ transmission but dosent think the transmission is a real deal.

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'92 W250,3. 54,auto,reg cab, raven hi top cap, tach,boost,transtemp,pyro. 16cm housing.

 

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Fest3er,you are correct. I did not read the whole article and I stand corrected. I also would like to think that the info on this site can be relied on for accuracy.

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1999 2500 Cummins w/4spd auto,Quad Cab,SWB,4x4,Flame red ,all options less leather and radio controls on steering wheel,OEM color matched runningboards,DeeZee bedrails painted black,Power Vision Mirrors,OEM ventshades,Oem sill covers,OEM underrail bedliner