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I would appreciate some suggestion on how to proceed. Here's my situation :( .



Earlier today, I kept noticing an antifreeze smell (engine temp, transmission temp, EGT temps were all good and truck sounded normal). I stopped at a 7-11, I did a visual check. No coolant leaking on the ground, nothing on the engine, no wet carpet near the heater core but also no coolant in the radiator overflow tank. Not sure when I last notice the radiator overflow tank but I think is was at the full make less then a week ago. Decided to head for home about 8 mi away. Heading home, still no problems then noticed a slight increase in engine temp to 150 (truck normally runs really cold; was going to replace the thermostat this week). About 1 1/2 mi from home engine temp is at 180 then less then 1 mi from home I noticed the engine temp moved to 190 and decided I didn't want to wait through the light for the left turn arrow and when straight ahead instead the engine temp gauge started moving up rapidly and by the time I got on the shoulder it was almost at 230 deg. I shutdown the truck but turned on the heater to help dump some of the heat and called wife for some water. While I waited I looked again for leaks and couldn't find any. I checked the oil level (should have done it earlier) and it was way way high. Oil had no diesel or antifreeze smell, was black but pretty thin (I'm running Amsoil). The oil has about 9000 mi on it and I had put some oil in the truck about a week ago and at that time it was about 1/8 in below the top of the safe zone. However, today the fluid level on the dip stick (I don't want to call it oil since I suspect thats where the coolant went) was probably 12 INCHs :eek: higher on the dipstick then the safe zone. How the truck didn't overheat (more then maybe 30 sec at 230) or hydrolock is beyond me but I'm sure glad it didn't.



Got the truck home in the driveway later and obviously, I need to drain the fluid from the oil pan and check for water/coolant. I'm suspecting either a blown headgasket, cracked head, or cracked block but short of a complete teardown in the driveway don't know of a good way to check any of those.



The truck has 190K and I've never seen the EGT go over 1200 or the engine temp go over 180 before (transmission temp never got above 140). Boostwise I've only got on it enough to hit 32 psi a couple of times. I have noticed the engine RPM has dropped about 300rpm (when idling in drive at a stop) over the last month (started dieing when backing out of parking slots) or so and last weekend, it seems to be a little sluggish when accelerating in traffic from 40 or so up to 50 and maybe when starting out (but I may just be second guessing myself) otherwise it seem fine and when accelerating at 60 or so it was great.



I would appreciate any suggestions regarding other possible sources of the coolant leak or good methods to check for the blown gasket or cracked head/block.
 
One thing you might consider is the ENGINE OIL COOLER. There is a very good writeup on it by Jim Anderson in TDR iss. 50 pg 14.

In the article Jim states the oil leaks into the radiator fluid when the engine is running, But can leak radiator fluid into the oil when engine is not running due to higher pressure in the radiator. It is sure worth reading. Good luck





Mike
 
As an update, I found the coolant today. Loosened the oil pan drain plug and nothing but nearly pure coolant ran out for about 30 sec. I estimate I ended up with about 6 gal of fluid (oil and water) in the oil pan. Guess I'm going to be doing some serious repair work.
 
Is it knocking? You may not have to pull the engine out if it is the oil cooler. It doesen't SOUND like a headgasket with the pressure differential thing. I would pull the head and inspect number six first for scoring once you find the leak. You might be able to to just knock the glaze off the cylinder and grab some new rings.



Hopefully. Keep us posted. This sucks, man. :(
 
MY 99 did the same thing i also thought it was the oil cooler so put a new one in still had the problem come to find out it was the head
 
ThrottleJockey said:
Is it knocking? You may not have to pull the engine out if it is the oil cooler. It doesen't SOUND like a headgasket with the pressure differential thing. I would pull the head and inspect number six first for scoring once you find the leak. You might be able to to just knock the glaze off the cylinder and grab some new rings.



Hopefully. Keep us posted. This sucks, man. :(



No odd sounds, just the normal cummins sound. Truck actually was running pretty good until I shut it down other then the heat went over 220 for maybe 90 sec. I'm hoping I haven't scored the pistons but I'm wondering about the condition of all the bearings and considering how much water got into the oil pan. Also when I drained the oil, I didn't find any metal shaving or particles. I'm hoping I haven't scored the pistons but I'm wondering about the condition of all the bearings and considering how much water got into the oil pan. It appears everything went into the oil pan, nothing on the ground and nothing in the radiator.
 
The water, being heavier and on the bottom of the pan, MAY have pushed mostly oil UP into the path of the crank and bearings, not great, but better than antifreeze soaking the bearings.



MIGHT, and I say again, MIGHT be all good. Let us know.
 
ThrottleJockey said:
The water, being heavier and on the bottom of the pan, MAY have pushed mostly oil UP into the path of the crank and bearings, not great, but better than antifreeze soaking the bearings.



MIGHT, and I say again, MIGHT be all good. Let us know.



Hope your right. Will post the outcome.



Wonder if a bad radiator cap could have jacked up the pressure enough to push the water into the oil pan? I'd think the engine would have to have been running hotter then 140 to do that though.



Hummmm, if I do have to tear into this thing I do have a couple of mods I've been thinking about (exhaust brake - 60lb springs, new turbo, intake); wonder how I can spin this to the wife :-laf .
 
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McLaughlin, Just have to sell your wife on the "these things are preventative maintenance and will help prevent this from happening again" story. Besides if you're going to borrow the money to rebuild it you might as well borrow the extra to get some new toys to help make you feel better about your truck after an expensive repair. That's what I do anyways. I don't do that on cheap repairs but like when my transmission crapped out I bought myself a GPS and when my transfer case went I bought a leather interior and by doing so it helped me want to get in my truck and drive it instead of pampering it being afraid of the next breakdown. If you need help convincing your wife to let you get these things under a preventative maintenance plan she can call me and I will assure her you DO need those things.



Chris
 
I think before I did a tear down, I'd check the oil cooler and if it's bad replace it. Refill with oil, run for 10 min, change it, 10, change. I'd run it. If it starts knocking, then do something about it. Believe me after tearing my head off MANY times, it's not a terrible job, but not fun either. I can find better things to do with my weekends.



You may have done very little damage to the bearings if they aren't knocking already. Truely time will tell, but I'd run it.



Josh
 
McLaughlin said:
Hope your right. Will post the outcome.



Wonder if a bad radiator cap could have jacked up the pressure enough to push the water into the oil pan? I'd think the engine would have to have been running hotter then 140 to do that though.



Hummmm, if I do have to tear into this thing I do have a couple of mods I've been thinking about (exhaust brake - 60lb springs, new turbo, intake); wonder how I can spin this to the wife :-laf .



Normal operating temp is around 190* FWIW
 
ThrottleJockey said:
Normal operating temp is around 190* FWIW



Thats what I thought. My truck has always been really cold blooded (runs about 150 doing stop and go on a hot day). Only time I've seen it get even to 180 was towing a trailer over Raton Pass in New Mexico. I think the thermostat is flaky and had intended to put in a new one last weekend.
 
Update - coolant loss

Just got my truck back from the shop :) .



Toasted the head gasket AND :{ a manufacturing defect, "sand void", in the block that finally let go and dumped the coolant into the oil pan.



Basically ended up doing an engine overhaul plus a few other extras. Put in 60lb valve springs, O-ringed the head/block, balanced the engine, replaced the thermostat, flushed the radiator, and rebuilt the starter (one of the insulators was broken so it was a problem just waiting to happen. )



Runs really nice now. Oo.
 
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