Death Wobble

[Yo Hoot]

I found good 10 ply tires go a long way in curing DW. The worst tires for DW on our trucks are GoodRich BFG's. The sidewalls are like jelly rolls.

In addition I installed a dual stabilizer. I do not consider it a bandaid. The Dodge front end is prone to DW. . I think more than any other brand. How do you fix engineering? Some have reported DW on brand new trucks.

My front end has been rock solid for years now.

I have to put a plug in for Paul Fox. He stands by his products BIG TIME! http://www.defianttruckproducts.com/about-us.html

The only thing that needs replacement now is the worn out steering box.

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[AEdelheit]

That steering stabilizer is mostly for looks, there an emulsion ( nitrogen and oil are mixed) type, a single IFP ( internal floating piston) where the nitrogen and oil are separated are far more effective. Defiant does have some nice stuff but shock technology is far past that setup

 

[Yo Hoot]

Looks? Dead wrong. They are powerful dampers. Installing them you get the feel of how strong they are. Remember, they don't get the torture that live suspension does. They only cycle back and forth during steering so no heatup or dissolving issues. These are pressurized units with fittings to adjust the pressure.

You have to understand the application before you spew. Do you happen to be in the suspension business or work for someone that is?

All that matters to me is it works perfectly. Doesn't look like Paul makes suspension products anymore... only light bars.

http://www.defianttruckproducts.com

 

[AEdelheit]

Looks? Dead wrong. They are powerful dampers. Installing them you get the feel of how strong they are. Remember, they don't get the torture that live suspension does. They only cycle back and forth during steering so no heatup or dissolving issues. These are pressurized units with fittings to adjust the pressure.



You have to understand the application before you spew. Do you happen to be in the suspension business or work for someone that is?



All that matters to me is it works perfectly. Doesn't look like Paul makes suspension products anymore... only light bars.



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Haha buddy I am not spewing anything and I am extremely familiar with the suspensions on these trucks, there is a reason that Kore, Carli, Thuren don't use Emulsion stabilizers, they will fade very quickly and become useless. I am not trying to be a *** but I have ran that exact setup, try running 20Psi and going to Baja with that setup, hello DW!!! Sure it works fine on cruising mall parking lots but that's about it

 

[Yo Hoot]

Understood. I don't do dunes. They've worked great for me for over five years. I wouldn't pay the premium price those guys charge if what I have works.

 

[DVolk]

My 92 has probally the worlds uglyiest rotors , so im certain your issue is not in the rotors , Id make shure the tie rod ends are good and tight and if you dont have a steering stabelizer put one one , but here is the number one thing to do . My 92 drove like crap until i took out the poor exscuse stock steering joint . I put a borgenson on and the issue went away , i also put new tierod ends on only because they wore out way after the the new steering joint was on it , also one other hidden area that it might be , Have you looked at your steering gear box ? are trucks are prone for the mounting bracket to crack and even the frame , cure it by addeing a replacement steering box mount and getting a steering box frame brace from dodge connection

 

[pwerwagn]

Dang... seems like ive seen a lot of 5+ yr old threads revived lately on TDR!! Not sure how this went from a 1st gen discussion to a 2nd/3rd gen discussion though. First gens dont really need stabilizers if everything is good. 2nd/3rds do.



Oh and for the record... those emulsion stabilizers are nowhere near the same league the so called "pricey" IFP's are. It doesnt matter whether you can feel it while you are installing them or not... emulsion is emulsion. N2 mixed with oil provides the same problems under a sudden velocity change in the steering as it does in the suspension, even putting fading aside.

 

[Yo Hoot]

Dang... seems like ive seen a lot of 5+ yr old threads revived lately on TDR!! Not sure how this went from a 1st gen discussion to a 2nd/3rd gen discussion though. First gens dont really need stabilizers if everything is good. 2nd/3rds do.

Oh and for the record... those emulsion stabilizers are nowhere near the same league the so called "pricey" IFP's are. It doesnt matter whether you can feel it while you are installing them or not... emulsion is emulsion. N2 mixed with oil provides the same problems under a sudden velocity change in the steering as it does in the suspension, even putting fading aside.

Third Gens went to the AAM axles. That was a big change from second gens. You would have thought they would have improved on it.

I hear you on the emulsion shocks and I'm not arguing. . I can't cause I don't know much about shock design. All I can tell you is they've done a great job for five years now. Most don't drive the dunes so why spend the extra for un needed top dollar equipment. Now if i was buying today I would shop and compare pricing. Knowing what I know now with first hand experience, if the better stuff was a lot more money I would buy what I have now. Because no matter what anybody says about emulsion for steering stabilizers... first hand experience doesn't change.

Explain why 99% of the membership here that doesn't do hard core offroad... needs IFP's.

Now my buddy here... yea. . I can see him needing them...

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[AEdelheit]

Third Gens went to the AAM axles. That was a big change from second gens. You would have thought they would have improved on it.



I hear you on the emulsion shocks and I'm not arguing. . I can't cause I don't know much about shock design. All I can tell you is they've done a great job for five years now. Most don't drive the dunes so why spend the extra for un needed top dollar equipment. Now if i was buying today I would shop and compare pricing. Knowing what I know now with first hand experience, if the better stuff was a lot more money I would buy what I have now. Because no matter what anybody says about emulsion for steering stabilizers... first hand experience doesn't change.



Explain why 99% of the membership here that doesn't do hard core offroad... needs IFP's.



Now my buddy here... yea. . I can see him needing them...



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Haha actually your jeep buddies could probably get away with emulsion since its all low speed. The IFP stabilizers are not any more the Defiant setup, but as you said for 99% of the folks on here emulsion would works just fine

 

[Yo Hoot]

Haha actually your jeep buddies could probably get away with emulsion since its all low speed. The IFP stabilizers are not any more the Defiant setup, but as you said for 99% of the folks on here emulsion would works just fine

I appreciate the lesson on shocks. I ended up searching around and learned alot online also.