DEF Additive???

[C M McCormick]

My buddy in NC asked me a question the other day if I used a DEF additive. He is not a diesel owner. That being said I didn't know there was an additive for DEF. Is anyone using such a product? Here is the picture of a additive that he text me.

 

[Topzide]

There's no need to do that! DEF is formulated to a standard. As long as you are using fresh DEF and not letting it go "stale" in the tank, why take the chance? NO way, NO how would I think about adding this!

 

[Diesel85]

I don't burn through a lot of DEF in my EcoD, but I do take care in how much DEF I put into it and the freshness of the DEF. I just buy the jugs and make sure the date is within the same month. I only put it in when the truck starts yelling at me. I keep a spare jug in my wine-cellar temperature basement. Once it's a year out, I dump that in the work truck and buy a new and keep it in the basement, just in case we ever have a DEF shortage.

I do the same with the work truck, but that goes through DEF like crazy because how much it tows and I use the DEF at the fuel pumps.

 

[John Jensen]

I wonder if the Rislone additive is the same as the Blue Platinum's additive which they claim is proprietary. There are a lot of reports of the Platinum keeping the injector clean. There are tons of clogged injector problems and reports, maybe Rislone is good to use.

 

[Topzide]

It's not that hard to pull the injector to check for build up. I have on my list to pull yearly when doing an annual maintenance to my truck. By pulling the injector once a year, you'll also be able to keep the bolts from freezing up. Pretty simple task and just a gasket to replace. Why chance adding something that isn't needed. JM2C.

 

[John Jensen]

It's not that hard to pull the injector to check for build up. I have on my list to pull yearly when doing an annual maintenance to my truck. By pulling the injector once a year, you'll also be able to keep the bolts from freezing up. Pretty simple task and just a gasket to replace. Why chance adding something that isn't needed. JM2C.

A great idea for all the reasons you mention. I'm going to add that to my annual oil/filter change list. Annual because my two trucks don't ecxeed 3000 miles a year. Is that gasket easily obtainable? Have a part #?

 

[Ozymandias]

I wonder if the Rislone additive is the same as the Blue Platinum's additive which they claim is proprietary. There are a lot of reports of the Platinum keeping the injector clean. There are tons of clogged injector problems and reports, maybe Rislone is good to use.

No it isn't the same as the platinum is totally standard DEF according to the stringent standards that do not allow to ad anything aside from what's mandatory, we discussed that before.

The Rislone is a add on, which I'm unsure it is legal to use by EPA standards as by law you are responsible to use straight DEF only in your road going vehicle.

For example it would definitely be illegal to sell DEF with the Rislone already in it as it wouldn't be within the standard anymore.

 

[John Jensen]

No it isn't the same as the platinum is totally standard DEF according to the stringent standards that do not allow to ad anything aside from what's mandatory, we discussed that before.

The Rislone is a add on, which I'm unsure it is legal to use by EPA standards as by law you are responsible to use straight DEF only in your road going vehicle.

For example it would definitely be illegal to sell DEF with the Rislone already in it as it wouldn't be within the standard anymore.

The only standard for DEf that I'm aware of is 32.% Uerea How then does Rilone change the standard? Adding the Rislone doesn't change the %Urea. By the way, DEF specs are ISO, not EPA.

 

[Topzide]

Here's then gasket;
https://www.genosgarage.com/product...t-4627714aa/exhaust-gas-recirculation-service
I used an oil drain plug gasket that I had laying around, also have some exhaust manifold gasket material that I can cut. I also had to re-tap the bolts since they were rotted out! Put back in with Copper anti-seize, to help with yearly check and clean.

 

[John Jensen]

Here's then gasket;
https://www.genosgarage.com/product...t-4627714aa/exhaust-gas-recirculation-service
I used an oil drain plug gasket that I had laying around, also have some exhaust manifold gasket material that I can cut. I also had to re-tap the bolts since they were rotted out! Put back in with Copper anti-seize, to help with yearly check and clean.

Wow! $18.00 for a gasket! No thank you, not if an oil drain gasket or gasket material will work.

 

[AH64ID]

The only standard for DEf that I'm aware of is 32.% Uerea How then does Rilone change the standard? Adding the Rislone doesn't change the %Urea. By the way, DEF specs are ISO, not EPA.

Just based on 11.8fl oz in the tank that isn’t DEF the concentration does change, down to 30.8% on a 5.7 gallon tank. That alone changes the standard.

Not saying it’s bad, just pointing out that it does change it. That’s nowhere near the threshold for a CEL thou.

 

[John Jensen]

Just based on 11.8fl oz in the tank that isn’t DEF the concentration does change, down to 30.8% on a 5.7 gallon tank. That alone changes the standard.

Not saying it’s bad, just pointing out that it does change it. That’s nowhere near the threshold for a CEL thou.

As usual, you make a good point.
Noteworthy: I read reviews on both of Rislone's DEF additives. Many said that they had DEF contamination probems soon after adding it.

 

[Ozymandias]

The only standard for DEf that I'm aware of is 32.% Uerea How then does Rilone change the standard? Adding the Rislone doesn't change the %Urea. By the way, DEF specs are ISO, not EPA.

Correct, and the other 68% have to be destilled/deionized water. And nothing else is allowed to the standard. That's the rule. And no manufacturer that wants to label it DEF and sell it can change anything to this formula. There is no DEF better then the other.
We had this conversation before.

 

[John Jensen]

Correct, and the other 68% have to be destilled/deionized water. And nothing else is allowed to the standard. That's the rule. And no manufacturer that wants to label it DEF and sell it can change anything to this formula. There is no DEF better then the other.
We had this conversation before.

I agree, DEF is DEF. However, Old World Industries describes their Platinum as "BlueDEF Platinum is a mixture of high purity synthetic urea, deionized water and a proprietary formulation featuring new Advanced System Shield technology," Contrary to what you say, adding a proprietary formulation to the standard or "change anything to this formula" seems to be allowed. If so, I would think Rislone products are legitimate as well.

Off subject:
You keep posting, "We had this conversation before.". I don't recall any converstions, are you trying to tell me to do a search or ?? Just trying to learn the etiquette here.

 

[Ozymandias]

In the Forum "we" discussed that topic of the magic DEF that doesn't exist.
The SDS for the Platinum doesn't list any other ingredients then the urea and water, if they would exist they would need to be mentioned in the SDS by law.

If it comes to the Rislone then it's up to you if you want to use it or not, as you are the one that is creating the (illegal) mixture in your DEF tank and you're responsibility for it.

Like said, as a mixture it would be strictly illegal to sell it to the public and advertise it as DEF as it has components in it that aren't supposed or allowed in DEF.
(I've read the Rislone SDS as well)

Again, feel free to use it, I just point out the situation from the point of the law.

 

[John Jensen]

I searched, and we did discuss.

It still baffles me how Platinum advertises its performance over regular DEF when there's nothing to show what makes it different.

I have no intention of using Rislone or any DEF additive.

Thanks for the law education

Cheers

 

[Topzide]

@John Jensen, I agree on the crazy price for a round gasket with a hole punched through it! That's why I threw the heavy oil plug gasket that I had laying around. Next time it's off this fall, gonna make a set of punches for the exhaust manifold gasket material. Have plenty of small pieces of pipe laying around. Just grind a nice bevel edge, then label them, toss in special tool drawer.

 

[Cummins2014]

@John Jensen, I agree on the crazy price for a round gasket with a hole punched through it! That's why I threw the heavy oil plug gasket that I had laying around. Next time it's off this fall, gonna make a set of punches for the exhaust manifold gasket material. Have plenty of small pieces of pipe laying around. Just grind a nice bevel edge, then label them, toss in special tool drawer.

Im thinking if an oil plug gasket would work ,would the Fumoto gasket work ? . I believe when I bought a few extra were like $1.00 a piece ,probably a bit more now .

 

[MarkEagleUSA]

It still baffles me how Platinum advertises its performance over regular DEF when there's nothing to show what makes it different.

I think they call that "marketing"...

 

[bcbender]

I think they call that "marketing"...

Hahahaha........ Yep spot on sir!! Terms like "NEW" and "IMPROVED" with no change in SDS or labeling are simply things to get you to pry open your wallet,.. same reason they slap things on end caps at the store, get attention and make you think its better for a few cents more.