deisel oil for other purposes

[Pine Sap]

I buy my Rotella T by the gallons, so I am accuulating excess (but new) oil in my shop. I was wondering if this oil would work good in lawmower and/or ATV engines?

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[Cooker]

It's great for mowers, yard equipment, and most other gasonline engines. The only engines that it wouldn't be that great on are ones that have a low pressure oil pump. Here is a excert from an email I sent to an oil company about this same question using 15w40 in my fathers motorhome:

"As for the motorhome, if the engine is a late model engine it will have a oil pump that is low pressure and a 15w-40 might not pump up to the upper end at an idle. That would be the only problem that you could see with the 15w-40. If your engine is not a late model and it does not have a low pressure pump yes by all means you can use the 15w-40. "

Hope this helps, Ryan.

 

[illflem]

I buy Delo 15-40 in 55 ga drums and use it in everything except gassers that call for 5-30. I also don't use it in 4 stroke engines that operate in the winter such as snow blowers. It probably will work in everything during the warm time of year, but in the winter may be to thick for startups. I've been useing it in a Toyota PU year round for 300k miles and 18 years,no problem. The Toyota calls for 10-30.

 

[Randy J]

Just over 1 year ago, Car & Driver had an article regarding using diesel oil in vehicles that sit for long periods. They recommended it, don't really remember why though. Because of that I switched my mowers over to diesel oil.

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[Bob Riley]

The only issue I would think of is mowers. They usually require a low detergent oil because of no filters. Diesel oil is vvery high in this detergent, so the oil is designed to carry the dirt in suspension till the filter removes it, but you have no filter, so it recurculate it thru the engine prematurely wearing it out.
You'll have no problem in gas engies as most diesel oils carry SJ ratings anyway, but I would think unfiltered engines would be harmed from this oil.
Bob

 

[RKohn]

Pine Sap

Add another oil filter, so you can use 12 qts. /change instead of 11. Problem solved. #ad


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[Pine Sap]

Originally posted by Bob Riley:
The only issue I would think of is mowers. They usually require a low detergent oil because of no filters. Diesel oil is vvery high in this detergent, so the oil is designed to carry the dirt in suspension till the filter removes it, but you have no filter, so it recurculate it thru the engine prematurely wearing it out.
You'll have no problem in gas engies as most diesel oils carry SJ ratings anyway, but I would think unfiltered engines would be harmed from this oil.
Bob

My Kohler Command in my Craftsman riding mower uses an oil filter... I normally use the Wix (NAPA Gold). That engine also dictates to use a multigrade engine oil, so your concern may only apply to the ol Briggs & Straton design. Thanks good to ponder!



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a real "country cadilac"

 

[Bob Riley]

Originally posted by Pine Sap:

My Kohler Command in my Craftsman riding mower uses an oil filter... I normally use the Wix (NAPA Gold). That engine also dictates to use a multigrade engine oil, so your concern may only apply to the ol Briggs & Straton design. Thanks good to ponder!

I didn't mention that engine because it is the exception. Most do not run external filters. Kohlers do however and require a high detergent oil, so diesel oil in your case would be fine. In fact, the Kohler engines on the Dixie Choppers use Amsoil's single bypass right from the factory. They also use an air centrifuge system for airborn dirt removal. Great engine design. #ad
Yeh, the older Briggs engines would not like a diesel oil.
Bob

 

[DocStressor]

The smaller B&S engines (and other makes as well) do not have an oil pump but depend on "splash" lubrication. Diesel oils without the SJ rating might not have sufficient boundary lubrication properties to be optimal for this type of lubrication. But as posted above, most CH-4 oils are now also SJ rated.

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[Bob Riley]

Originally posted by Samscov:
A while ago I was reading a tech article in The Enthusiast, which is the official magazine that Harley-Davidson has been publishing for years, and in the abscence of "Genuine H-D oil" thier reccommended substitute was, You guessed it, Diesel engine Oil. Thought some of You might find this interesting.

Carefull with this as well. Motorcycles have special requirements;
Zinc and phosphorus are extremely important to engines faces with high-pressure conditions, escpecially motorcycle engines, which typically have steep cam slopes, creating high pressure between the parts. In motorcycles, friction modifiers (prevelant in automotive oils) have been attributed to engine start failures, a rough running feel, increased fuel consumption due to higher engine stall speeds and other problems. You want a high detergent(like diesel oil) package, high anti-wear, and no friction modifiers(lot's in diesel oil).

Bob

 

[Lou]

Boy, you guys are picky about lawnmower oil. I hate mowing so I use the drain oil from my Cummins in the dang mower. It'll either kill it or make the B/S engine better with the Cummins particulates in it.

 

[unclebilly]

As for gassers that call for 5W30...

I worked at a GM dealership in highschool doing oil changes and other stuff. This was 10+ years ago and almost all of the new GM's back then called for 5W30 right on the oil filler cap. Unless otherwise specified by the owner, every car got 10W30 bulk Petro Canada motor oil - so much for genuine goodwrench service plus eh?

I like using DMO for break in oil in new engines - it gives good lubrication when it is needed and seems to provide a good carrier for cleaning out the initial gribblies.

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[Dreher]

I have a Scotts mower manufactured by John Deere with a splash-lubed, filterless Briggs and Stratton engine. The preferred oil called for in the owners manual is Deere Torq-Gard Supreme- a diesel oil. I use Delo and the thing just keeps on running.

Bob

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[Bob Riley]

Originally posted by RA Dreher:
I have a Scotts mower manufactured by John Deere with a splash-lubed, filterless Briggs and Stratton engine. The preferred oil called for in the owners manual is Deere Torq-Gard Supreme- a diesel oil. I use Delo and the thing just keeps on running.

Bob

[This message has been edited by RA Dreher (edited 03-22-2001). ]

Bob, I beleive you, but that just doesn't make sence. It goes against the design, but if that's what they spec in that thing, then, oh well.
Bob

 

[Murle]

I buy Delo 15-40 in 55 ga drums and use it in everything. And I do mean everything. I do not look at what the manufactures recommends. I just use the Delo. Never have I lost a engine due to oil failure.

 

[illflem]

Tim, paid $215 for 55 about 2 months ago, you also have to pay a drum deposit, mine was $20 about 30 years ago last I heard it was $45. Chevron recomends that the oil be used within one year, the additives may begin to fall out, something you may want to consider. You guys in the southern states can get by using 15-40 in everything year round, us northeners can't even consider it.

 

[Cooker]

The John Deere Torq-Gard Supreme is not the same oil JD recommends and factory fills their bigger tractors with. That oil is called Plus 50 and is a 15w40 or 0w40.

IS the Torq-Gard Supreme a multi grade oil? Just curious. I wonder if it is even JD's oil.

 

[Skydiver]

It looks like I will be buying my first 55 gallon drum of Delo 15-40. Yes it will be put in everything,including 1986 toyota 4x4. Poor little toy just sits most all of the time now.
The price that I just received is $233. 20 per drum,Does this sound like a fair price?
Thanks,Tim

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[Dreher]

OK, here it goes.

According to the Deere website, Torq-Gard Supreme is currently available in SAE 10W, SAE 30 and SAE 5W30. The old Plus-50 SAE 30 has been replaced by the new Torq-Gard Supreme SAE 30. The previous Torq-Gard Supreme 15W40 has been replaced by Plus-50 15W40. Now who's on first?

Bob


[This message has been edited by RA Dreher (edited 03-23-2001). ]