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The product: Wildcat Diesel max-flow fuel system



The results:

- starting problem went away. It fires first time, every time now.

- Can't pull FP below 11psi-- EVER. Idles at 17psi, cruises at 14-15, and WOT is 11-12psi. This is a GREAT product!

- Truck runs a lot better-- smoother acceleration, slightly quieter idle. Smoother on the hwy.



The install:



1. First I removed the intake horn and the intercooler pipe so I would have a little better access.



2. Open the water drain to empty the fuel filter canister. Have a receptacle handy.



3. I disconnected the banjo at the VP (17mm, but 11/16 works, too), and removed the Fitch Fuel Catalyst that I had plumbed between filter and VP.



4. Into the VP44 inlet, install the -8 adapter that is tapped with a 1/8"NPT hole in the side. Here's a tip: if you can't get the tapped hole to line up into a useable position when the adapter is tightened, you can take a washer off the old banjo fitting and it will act as a spacer-- BINGO! perfect alignment and no leak.

I then installed my aluminum AN adapter into the max-flow fitting and connected it to the -6AN line that runs to my FP gauge.



5. Now you need to make the braided line that will run from the VP to the filter. I was lucky enough that the line right out of the box had on end i could use, so i didn't have to cut it to put the end on. Otherwise, tightly wrap with electrical tape (strapping tape works, too-- I used it) the area near the end where you are going to make your cut.

Cut the outer braid ONLY with a dremel cutoff wheel (right through the tape). Take a lot of time to do this, because the teflon (plastic) inner line will melt if you aren't careful. Melting the inner part will make putting the end on almost impossible and you'll have to recut. I went slowly and had no problems.

Once you have the outer braid cut, cut the inner plastic hose using something very sharp- razor, box cutter, etc. I was able to use my Klein loppers and it made a nice clean cut.

Now slip the collar part of the fitting over the freshly cut end BEFORE you remove the tape. THEN remove the tape.

The brass ferrulle goes outside the clear inner hose, but UNDER the braid. As you slide the ferrule on, notice that there are grooves cut inside it. Be careful not to slide the ferrule down too far, or you won't be able to get the end on. Look to see where the end of the clear part is inside the ferrule. If the end is past the groove closest to you, it's on too far. Take a pliers and pull the ferrule off a little bit. You want the end to be in between the two grooves insde the brass ferrule.

With the ferrule in position, you can now insert the fitting end into the hose. You should use the STRAIGHT fitting, since we are making the connection to the VP44.

With the fitting end firmly seated, bring up the collar and screw the fitting together. Use two wrenches to tighten it. The two parts should almost butt up against each other, so make it good and tight (but don't play He-Man or you can strip the fitting).

You are DONE putting the end on the hose!



6. Connect the hose end to the fitting at the VP. Now you can see how much hose you will need to run between the VP and the filter bottom. Make sure to leave enough room for a nice smooth arc in the line-- the line has to approach the VP at a gentle angle, like an airplane flying in an approach pattern.

Mark the point where you will make your cut.



7. Disconnect the fitting at the Vp so you can cut the other end to length.



8. Cut the line and install the ends as described above. You will use a 90 degree hose end for all but the last connection (rubber line to tank, working towards the back of the truck). You should now have an assembled line of proper length for the filter-to-VP connection, and some leftover braided hose.



9. Now is a good time to dismount the Fuel filter housing. It's just TWO 10mm bolts.



10. Remove the four banjos-- two on the filter, two on the lift pump. There's no need to remove the lift pump, you can do all this from the top side of the engine. When removing the LIFT PUMP INLET banjo, do NOT let the loose end hang low-- you will create a siphon and end up with a diesel shower and/or empty tank. OR you can just clamp off the rubber line from the tank (there are some places where you can clamp it off, even though most of it has hard plastic underneath. )



11. Install the Max Flow -8 adapters where the banjos were.



12. Connect the bottom of the filter housing to the VP with the hose you made.



13. Measure how much hose you need to the short length from the lift pump to the filter. Remember, you want a soft loop in the line. If you cut it to exact length, you have no room for error (if you goof up an end), and it will be VERy difficult to make the attach the braided hose, since you will have to fight the stiffness of the braided. I routed my hose behind (or, to the driver's side of) the three metal lines that run there (they look like brake lines). This gave me a nice angle to my hose ends.



14. Assemble the hose you will use to connect the lift pump and the filter just like you did the first hose.



15. Connect the filter and lift pump using the hose you just made. This is where you will be glad to have dismounted the filter housing. It's worth mentioning that it's hard to get a 7/8" wrench to move around back there. I solved this by cutting an old wrench down so it was shorter than a regular stubby. It saves so much headache that I would recommend buying a cheapie just for this purpose. The end result you want here is a 7/8" open end wrench that's only about 5" long. You don't need much leverage for the fittings.



16. With the LP connected to the filter, and the filter to the VP, you are ALMOST ready to remount the filter.



17. Before you remount the filter, you need to connect the rubber hose to the LP inlet. This is where you will use the supplied rubber hose and the brass barb hose end from the wildcat kit. Slide the barb fitting into the rubber hose end as far as you can make it go. It will settle into the collar on the hose end.

Now, connect this brass hose end to the -8 Max-flow adapter you installed in the lift pump inlet. Feed the rest of the rubber hose back down the transmission tunnel on the driver's side.



18. Now, make sure all your fittings are tight and remount the filter housing.



19. If you have an inclined driveway, you are in luck. Position the truck so the front is higher than the back. This is to prevent a diesel shower as you disconnect the line from the tank. Also, make sure your fuel fill cap is loosened.



20. Now you need to crawl under the truck. Find the end of the hose that you connected in step 17.



21. You might want to save the hoseclamps from the stock fuel line plumbing up near the VP. You will need one for your new line from the tank



22. Slide a hose clamp over the end of your new line (from step 20)



23. Remove the stock fuel line (to the lift pump) from the clip on the frame. It's the one closer to the frame.



24. Cut the OEM line about 2 inches from where the hardline and rubber line meet. Guess what? NO DIESEL SHOWER! Slide the new hose over the hardline and tighten the clamp.



25. Double check all your connections for tightness and reassemble all the stuff you took off for access (intake horn, etc. . ).



26. Prime it, start it, check for leaks. Mine took a LOT of cranking to get all the air out. Don't burn out your starter!





Miscellaneous:

- Don't use thread sealant. These fittings don't need it, and it's just one more thing the VP can ingest.





The hard starting problem I had before is likely due to my shadetree install of the Fitch Fuel Catalyst. I relocated the canister so it's just before the lift pump, instead of just before the VP. I think i had a bad connection that was letting air into the fuel system, so it would lose prime every time i shut it off. This isn't a surprise since I had adpaters to adapters and the plumbing was really sloppy.



Now it starts and runs like a dream and I couldn't be happier!



Feel free to ask anything I didn't cover. i tried to mention it all (sorry it's such a long post).



This is a GREAT BOMB.







Justin
 
i love mine

my pressures are the same ... does everything Rod said it would ... if i did anything to a 2nd gen it would be a bhaf ... straight pipe ... and max flow kit ... thanks Rod
 
My pressures are the same with the kit.



I didn't think of removing the intake horn. That would have given a bit more access. Unbolting the fuel filter did help out considerably, though.



As far as the tapped banjo for the FP, I put mine on the bottom of the filter canister. I started to put mine on the VP but thought of the alignment problem with the tap. My SPA electric sender was off of the VP prior to the Max Flow install (with an 18" rubber hose and a needle valve) and with the needle valve almost closed there was still a bit of flutter in the FP readings. Moving the tapped port to the bottom of the filter has eliminated the pulses, even with the needle valve open several twists.



Another benefit is that the Lift pump can now be changed in about 15 minutes (my "new" pump that I installed at the same time as the kit was bad so I got some practice).



This kit is definitely worth the price of admission!
 
now that i know how to install it, what is it? Just different fittings on the pumps? does it help hp or mileage? what other benefits? thanks
 
It's a kit that consists of -8AN fittings and stainless lines that replace the factory lines and banjo fittings between the hardline from the tank and the lift pump, the LP and the filter, and the filter and the VP. The main goal for the kit is to minimize friction loss in the fuel lines and keep the pressure up at the VP as flows (horsepower) increase. With my old (and weak) lift pump I could pull fuel pressure down to less than 5 psi with just an EZ. After installing the kit I couldn't get below 9 psi with the same tired pump. After a new LP and installing Mach 2 injectors I can't pull the psi's below 11.



I think the truck gained a bit more top end and maybe got a bit quieter, but I can't prove it.



There's a picture of the kit at wildcatdiesel.com under Dodge performance, fuel systems.
 
Looks like I spoke too soon. When I dynoed today, Mgoncalves noticed that I had a slight leak at the VP. Sure enough, it lost prime and took some cranking to get it started. One started, it runs VERy strong. I'll have to track down my leak. I might end up having to move the FP fitting to the bottom of the filter canister like you did.



Justin
 
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Justin,



Good info. I ordered my kit a week ago and am patiently waiting as Rod said this item is back ordered. I'll install a new LP with the kit. Without any fueling mods (injectors, boxes) I can pull fuel pressure down to 4 psi at WOT.



After the max flow kit goes in, I'll add my DPP 4" exhaust, EDM 1. 5s and DD-TTPM. The thought of this puts a big :D on my face. Guess I should cash in my extended warranty as there will be no use for it... as if there was anyway.



Can't wait to be :cool: like the other performanced CTDs. My wife doesn't really know what I'm up to. One day, and soon, her reaction should look something like :--) , or Oo. But once she finds out what all this cost, it'll be more like :mad: However, if she takes a liking to my new toy, my expression could be :{



Oh yeah, I plan to install a Con OFE too. First I want to find out what a smoked stock clutch smells like.



Once again, thanks for the positive report on the max flow kit.





Dwayne
 
I think I know where my leak is coming from. I forgot the ONE place you need to use thread sealant-- on the NPT tap for the gauge. Pipe threads won't seal without sealant (tapered threads, y'know).



I'll seal it today and see if my leak stops.



The kit impressed those at the dyno yesterday. "you have almost 18psi at idle? With a STOCK lift pump??" "yep!"



Your power combo (EDM 1. 5 and DDTTPM) should put you about where I am for HP (~335-340 at the wheels) only with a lot less smoke, lower egt, and better mileage!



Justin
 
I've had my Max Flow Kit on for about 2 weeks now. I was very impressed with Rod's service and the quality of the kit :) .



I also have my tapped fitting at the inlet to the VP. During the first week of driving my pressures where...



idle : 15psi

freeway ( 60-80 mph ) : 13 psi

WOT : 11 psi



On the first weekend after the install of the Max Flow Kit I was able to reinstall my needle valve. I couldn't install it the first time because the handle on the valve was hitting the side of the VP, not allowing me to tighten. So I bought a 1/8th" by 3" extension to lift the valve above the VP. Now my WOT psi has changed ( I also put in a brand new LP at the time of Kit install ).....



idle : 15. 5 psi

freeway ( 60-80 mph ) : 13 psi

WOT : 8 psi :{



What do you guy's think is the problem at WOT ??



My truck is stock as far as performance BOMBS, and has a brand new LP. With a Max Flow Kit, new LP, and stock performance I should not be anywhere near 8 psi WOT. I'm thinking maybe the needle valve ????



TIA



Jeff
 
I designed this system with the thought in mind that I wanted to have the least amount of restrictions and/or resistance. I wonder if having that extension on the needle valve is what is creating a problem with your WOT pressures? Go with my thoughts on this... I built out several different systems before this final product. I had tried two pumps... one pusher at the tank and a factory pump... killed both pumps in less then a few hundred miles. I tried the Holley Black in the factory position and killed it.

Killed a PE 4200 in less then 100 miles mounted at the frame under the drivers floor. Please note that this was with a non upgraded PE pump over a year ago. I tried the automotive Aeroquip fittings with off the shelf banjo replacement metric 12MM fittings. I had terrible results with that. So I had one more idea in mind. I wanted to keep the inner Diamater as similar as possible without major changes at the tank and elsewhere.



Therefore, We had our own fittings machined, used the highest of quality industrial Aeroquip components and the largest inner Diameter fittings to replace the banjos. The nice sweep of the 90's also is smooth and equal throughout the system. My hunch is that extension might be a problem on the needle valve. My suggestion is to try swapping out the fittings from the VP to the filter outlet and see what happens without the extension on the needle. Also, clean the contacts on the lift pump plug.



I used a Holley Blue for over 50K and its still going strong on the truck since I sold it. I found the Holley Blue delivered a nice pressure and volume for a truck with power in the 475-500 HP range. At WOT with the TST Powermax Comp on level 9, DD 3's and a B1KS I would see pressures drop to 7-8 for a few seconds and recover to 10-11 fast! I was happy with this as it never stayed below 10 for very long.



I also want to thank everyone that has had patience with us getting their order out. I had no idea how well this system would be received and I have had to keep increasing our orders for the components for the kits. Anyone on back order is getting resolved this week.



Thanks again for believing in another product I developed!



Sincerely,



Scotty
 
BTTT because, well, I just ordered the kit and needed to look at this thread, so thought others might too.....



Josh excited for more FP at the VP-44! Oo. Oo. :cool:
 
On my truck there is no place to clamp off the supply line between the tank and filter. Its hard plastic off the tank... stainless along the frame... and hard plastic up to the filter. I'd be extreemly cautious about clamping the plastic line. It probably wouldn't seal completely off and might permanently kink it. Just keep it up above the tank level or undo the quick disconnect atop the tank.



I got some of Rods early production -6AN x DIN fittings. They were bare steel and showed signs of rusting... which I expected from bare machine steel. I had my buddy electroplate them in an Eastwood kit to make them look just like Cummins banjo bolts.



Are these 8AN fittings coming plated now or something? Just curious. You could always paint them ahead of time... just tape off the threads and sealing surfaces. Use some good engine enamel.
 
I think the new fittings are anodized or clear painted or something. There's some kind of finish on there that made them shiny and made them stay that way.



Justin
 
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