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Engine/Transmission (1994 - 1998) Diesel Prices
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I'm paying 3. 46 in Oviedo FL.
Supplying the north with heating oil mite be the cause but I think it is because there is a whole lot more Diesels on the road and the oil companies haven't built any new diesel refineries in the past 11 years. There are bio-diesel refineries that have been built. But I don't think they refine it just mix it.
Supplying the north with heating oil mite be the cause but I think it is because there is a whole lot more Diesels on the road and the oil companies haven't built any new diesel refineries in the past 11 years. There are bio-diesel refineries that have been built. But I don't think they refine it just mix it.
last check in central maine it was 3. 67. 9#@$%!
Driftwood Ram
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I say the answer is poly-ticks. There are hundreds of thousands that drive gassers compared to those that drive diesels (excluding truckers). Who is going to scream the louder???:-{}
Up in the "Great White North" today i filled up my company 01 Ford cube---225liters(3. 8 liters in a US gallon=59. 21 gallons)=$$$$ 260. 78. #@$%!#@$%!#@$%!. This will last around 450-500 miles of city/some highway driving delivering bread throughout town. Company fuel bill for me for a month runs 1600. 00+.
I just filled up 2 days ago at $3. 49 a gallon. I just noticed today it was $3. 59 a gallon.
I still get better fuel mileage than my wifes Nissan Armada, or the guys at work who drive 1500 gasser 4x4s.
I dont complain.
I still get better fuel mileage than my wifes Nissan Armada, or the guys at work who drive 1500 gasser 4x4s.
I dont complain.
The way I understand the situation, we can all blame the tree-hugging enviro-nuts for this one. Because of the formulas for diesel required by the US government (ULSD), we cannot import diesel (like we can base gasoline stocks)it all has to be refined here... it's the same reason we cannot have MORE diesel-powered vehicles that the rest of the world has. 
According to Al Bore & his cult, the USA is the biggest polluter in the world, yet the rest of the globe gets to have some pretty neat diesel-powered vehicles.
According to Al Bore & his cult, the USA is the biggest polluter in the world, yet the rest of the globe gets to have some pretty neat diesel-powered vehicles.
Vaughn MacKenzie
TDR MEMBER
Our prices are about $3. 60. I burn DSE blend fuel mixed with diesel which means about 30-40% filtered WVO so I'm able to cut my fuel bill quite a bit. Burn a higher percentage in summer. Takes some effort & time though, that's the tradeoff, but at least I'm burning less foreign fossil fuel from the Middle East.
We Are Just Frogs!
Politicians and oil companies know that if you drop a frog into a pan of hot water he will come screaming right back out. But if you put a frog in a pan of cool water and slowly increase the heat a degree at a time, he will remain there until he ignorantly and contentedly boils to death.
Read "Black Gold Stranglehold" by Dr. Jerome Corsi if you really want an interesting view of what's going on. The full title is "Why Does Gasoline Cost so Much? Black Gold Stranglehold: The Myth of Scarcity and the Politics of Oil". Co-authored by Craig Smith, the CEO of the Swiss American Trading Company. It will really open your eyes. Buy a 99 cent ebay copy of Aaron Russo's film "Freedom to Fascism", too. It's worth many times that price.
Time is running out... (ribbet... ribbet... ribbet... )
The following is my personal view:
Most voters do not drive diesels. The politicians have let their Big Oil masters know they are under pressure about gasoline costs. You might recall all the BS promises the dems made when they were campaigning for control of the House and Senate a couple years ago? How they were going to put a stop to the insane record profits of Big Oil. Well they got control. And have been completely bought out, just like the republicans already were. Republicrats. That's all there really is... Except Ron Paul. He has a viable self-sufficiency plan and the integrity to see it implemented.
The oil company/politician solution to our whimpy pressuring and to buy our votes is simple: Trucking companies don't vote or write angry letters. So raise diesel to well over the cost of gasoline to make the average joe think he is lucky to "only" pay $3 per gallon for gas and he is grateful he does not have to pay for diesel. Throw in almost daily price fluctuations and pretty soon we don't know what's "too high". We get giddy if it drops below THREE FRIGGIN DOLLARS for a day or two before going back to three and a half. It will soon be $4, then $5. After that, our economy tanks for good. The OPECkers, Oil Companies, and Wall Street types will own everything for pennies on the dollar.
The big joke is that EVERYBODY pays for high diesel costs dozens of times over with every single thing they buy.
From raw material to finished product, there is virtually nothing in our lives that doesn't get transported, mined, excavated, or processed by diesel-powered trucks and equipment. Many times over. Each time, that cost is passed along to us.
The trucking companies today are so cutthroat that they will not even bother to fix the situation, and believe me, a truck driver, they definitely could in just a couple of weeks. Instead, they simply pass the costs along to the customer who passes them along to every consumer.
The politicians don't have as many screaming constituents, and the oil companies get away with blatant fraud and robbery and pay the politicians off.
Biodiesel and ethanol won't stop it. Here in Iowa, you can buy E85 gas for "only" $2. 30 per gallon right now. But the politicians who are so adept at playing games have yet to enact one simple measure that automakers could easily and cheaply (less than $100 per new vehicle) implement: Mandate that ALL new cars sold in the US must be "flex-fuel" vehicles. It is a simple programming enhancement that a few models do have already, but not very many. Those vehicles can run on any mix of gasoline, ethanol, or methanol.
Until there is widespread demand for E85 (85% ethanol) and similar fuels; "demand" meaning vehicles that will run on it; there will be no widespread availability. Big Oil has seen to it that politicians pretend not to know this or act on it. Instead we get tougher emmissions laws and crappy diesel fuel (another excuse to raise prices)while they pat themselves on the backs. I drive past an E85 pump daily and wish like hell I could use it! Talk about cleaner emissions and keeping our money at home!
Even as Iowans build more ethanol plants, they are being bought out by foreign companies and, I suspect, Big Oil front companies. Soon our farmland will be, too. End of threat. Big Oil will remain in control.
If most of the major trucking companies would just say "enough is enough" and simply shut down in protest for just ONE week (two would be better), this country would be on it's knees and the oil company executives and politicians would be swinging by their necks.
But it will never happen. Greed is all that matters and everyone wants a piece of the energy pie. In order to accomplish the complete merger of Canada, Mexico, and the USA, a common currency must be implemented: the "Amero". That means the US dollar must be rendered worthless first or no one will accept them. Our economy must be crashed. And it is already happening.
When was the last time any of you wrote or emailed your elected representatives about the deliberate and fraudulent "refined fuel" shortages that oil companies are using to justify the rape of our economy? Katrina was their big long-awaited chance to see how far they could go. They have never stopped because we really are as unmotivated, unorganized, and helpless as they dreamed.
Helping them are the Wall Street types who are also making a killing off this.
As for the OPECkers: it is amazing how quickly they have figured out that the way to conquer our evil country is to destroy it's economy while siphoning off trillions of our own dollars which they now are using to buy our country; literally. Much more effective than blowing it up a building or two at a time.
Funny how as soon as Saddam, the only real threat to them, was removed from power, they stopped having any reason to even pretend to be our friends. Coincides perfectly with all of this insane fuel pricing. Plenty of collusion with our Big Oil companies on that too, I'm sure.
Our own oil companies are sitting on vast reserves that could fuel our nation for (some say) 200 more years. But they long ago decided not to touch those reserves until oil hit $150 per barrel. Meanwhile, a foreign owned company (BP) is running our Alaskan pipeline (into ruin). We never see a drop of that light, sweet crude. It all gets sold overseas to Japan and other countries willing to pay even more than we do.
Now imagine you are a working man or farmer in a struggling 3rd world country trying to scratch out a living and maybe lift your family, and eventually maybe even your country, from poverty. Imagine you have to pay the current prices for fuel or even more... You simply can't, and it's not imaginary.
There is great evil in what's going on, my friends!
Politicians and oil companies know that if you drop a frog into a pan of hot water he will come screaming right back out. But if you put a frog in a pan of cool water and slowly increase the heat a degree at a time, he will remain there until he ignorantly and contentedly boils to death.
Read "Black Gold Stranglehold" by Dr. Jerome Corsi if you really want an interesting view of what's going on. The full title is "Why Does Gasoline Cost so Much? Black Gold Stranglehold: The Myth of Scarcity and the Politics of Oil". Co-authored by Craig Smith, the CEO of the Swiss American Trading Company. It will really open your eyes. Buy a 99 cent ebay copy of Aaron Russo's film "Freedom to Fascism", too. It's worth many times that price.
Time is running out... (ribbet... ribbet... ribbet... )
The following is my personal view:
Most voters do not drive diesels. The politicians have let their Big Oil masters know they are under pressure about gasoline costs. You might recall all the BS promises the dems made when they were campaigning for control of the House and Senate a couple years ago? How they were going to put a stop to the insane record profits of Big Oil. Well they got control. And have been completely bought out, just like the republicans already were. Republicrats. That's all there really is... Except Ron Paul. He has a viable self-sufficiency plan and the integrity to see it implemented.
The oil company/politician solution to our whimpy pressuring and to buy our votes is simple: Trucking companies don't vote or write angry letters. So raise diesel to well over the cost of gasoline to make the average joe think he is lucky to "only" pay $3 per gallon for gas and he is grateful he does not have to pay for diesel. Throw in almost daily price fluctuations and pretty soon we don't know what's "too high". We get giddy if it drops below THREE FRIGGIN DOLLARS for a day or two before going back to three and a half. It will soon be $4, then $5. After that, our economy tanks for good. The OPECkers, Oil Companies, and Wall Street types will own everything for pennies on the dollar.
The big joke is that EVERYBODY pays for high diesel costs dozens of times over with every single thing they buy.
From raw material to finished product, there is virtually nothing in our lives that doesn't get transported, mined, excavated, or processed by diesel-powered trucks and equipment. Many times over. Each time, that cost is passed along to us.
The trucking companies today are so cutthroat that they will not even bother to fix the situation, and believe me, a truck driver, they definitely could in just a couple of weeks. Instead, they simply pass the costs along to the customer who passes them along to every consumer.
The politicians don't have as many screaming constituents, and the oil companies get away with blatant fraud and robbery and pay the politicians off.
Biodiesel and ethanol won't stop it. Here in Iowa, you can buy E85 gas for "only" $2. 30 per gallon right now. But the politicians who are so adept at playing games have yet to enact one simple measure that automakers could easily and cheaply (less than $100 per new vehicle) implement: Mandate that ALL new cars sold in the US must be "flex-fuel" vehicles. It is a simple programming enhancement that a few models do have already, but not very many. Those vehicles can run on any mix of gasoline, ethanol, or methanol.
Until there is widespread demand for E85 (85% ethanol) and similar fuels; "demand" meaning vehicles that will run on it; there will be no widespread availability. Big Oil has seen to it that politicians pretend not to know this or act on it. Instead we get tougher emmissions laws and crappy diesel fuel (another excuse to raise prices)while they pat themselves on the backs. I drive past an E85 pump daily and wish like hell I could use it! Talk about cleaner emissions and keeping our money at home!
Even as Iowans build more ethanol plants, they are being bought out by foreign companies and, I suspect, Big Oil front companies. Soon our farmland will be, too. End of threat. Big Oil will remain in control.
If most of the major trucking companies would just say "enough is enough" and simply shut down in protest for just ONE week (two would be better), this country would be on it's knees and the oil company executives and politicians would be swinging by their necks.
But it will never happen. Greed is all that matters and everyone wants a piece of the energy pie. In order to accomplish the complete merger of Canada, Mexico, and the USA, a common currency must be implemented: the "Amero". That means the US dollar must be rendered worthless first or no one will accept them. Our economy must be crashed. And it is already happening.
When was the last time any of you wrote or emailed your elected representatives about the deliberate and fraudulent "refined fuel" shortages that oil companies are using to justify the rape of our economy? Katrina was their big long-awaited chance to see how far they could go. They have never stopped because we really are as unmotivated, unorganized, and helpless as they dreamed.
Helping them are the Wall Street types who are also making a killing off this.
As for the OPECkers: it is amazing how quickly they have figured out that the way to conquer our evil country is to destroy it's economy while siphoning off trillions of our own dollars which they now are using to buy our country; literally. Much more effective than blowing it up a building or two at a time.
Funny how as soon as Saddam, the only real threat to them, was removed from power, they stopped having any reason to even pretend to be our friends. Coincides perfectly with all of this insane fuel pricing. Plenty of collusion with our Big Oil companies on that too, I'm sure.
Our own oil companies are sitting on vast reserves that could fuel our nation for (some say) 200 more years. But they long ago decided not to touch those reserves until oil hit $150 per barrel. Meanwhile, a foreign owned company (BP) is running our Alaskan pipeline (into ruin). We never see a drop of that light, sweet crude. It all gets sold overseas to Japan and other countries willing to pay even more than we do.
Now imagine you are a working man or farmer in a struggling 3rd world country trying to scratch out a living and maybe lift your family, and eventually maybe even your country, from poverty. Imagine you have to pay the current prices for fuel or even more... You simply can't, and it's not imaginary.
There is great evil in what's going on, my friends!
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In Cenral California I've paid $3. 70 (3. 69. 9) per gallon. I use approx. 50 gallons a week. Thats 184. 95 per week! When I bought my first diesel in 2000 fuel was $1. 799 a gallon (20 cents less than regular unleaded)at that time. That was $89. 95 a week. Running a small business this extra $5200. 00 a year must come from some where. If it would be just at the pump I could live with it but all business has had to increase prices on there products as well. The GREED of oil companies will be the end of this countries economy.
Sulfur has always been added to diesel as a lubricant. I'm told that occurs at the terminals as it is loaded onto tanker trucks for distribution to gas stations. ULSD has simply resulted in far less being allowed to be added.
Nonetheless, oil companies have jumped on this "not adding" as an excuse to claim it somehow costs them more to make ULSD. What a lie!
It takes less crude oil to make a gallon of diesel than it does to make a gallon of gasoline. It takes far LESS refining, too.
Therefore, diesel should NEVER cost more than gasoline.
But if you pay attention; ever since Katrina, one little storm; one Middle East political "crisis"; seasonal demand, whether higher OR lower; one rusted out pipe; one ANYTHING is enough excuse for oil companies to claim a shortage of refined fuel. Each of the Big Oil companies take turns with contriving excuses for this false shortage while tankers sit full outside their refineries. If the cost of crude goes up; prices go up. If the cost of crude goes down; prices still go up.
I have the most asinine response letter from one of my state's Senators, Chuck Grassley, trying to answer my hard questions to him about this crap. He actually tries to convince me he is helping his constituents by offering even more tax breaks to Big Oil since they are apparently so over-burdened by their $40 Billion annual profits!! He is solidly owned by them. They all are, but politicians like him who are supposed to represent one of the most bioDiesel and ethanol productive states command even more attention and graft from Big Oil. They simply can't have clean, renewable, domestic energy threatening their stranglehold.
Interviews with actual production refinery workers confirm the fact the "shortages" are non-existent and deliberate. Oil Companies claim the greenies will not allow them to build additional refineries or increase capacity at existing ones. Bull. They are actually just shutting down as much production as they can.
This is a matter of National Security as far as I'm concerned. If the Oil Companies, with their greedy monopoly, cannot meet the needs of this Nation, then maybe it's time we nationalized our refineries. Our national debt could almost be paid off at the current Big Oil profit rate.
Your state politicians are screwing you, too. Many states, such as California I believe, have their fuel taxes figured as a percentage of the current price of a gallon. These prices are huge tax windfalls for them! The politicians do NOT want prices to go down, no matter how sympathetic they claim to be to our personal economic plunge. They too, are making a killing for their porkbarrel spending.
In Iowa, our worthless governor is whining that we no longer buy as much fuel as we used to (no kidding? Gee, I wonder why?). So it's our fault for using less that he must now increase our taxes again? That should really help folks who have already cut their fuel consumption to the bare minimum.
He waited for the Minneapolis bridge collapse to announce this. It was a great excuse. Even as the bodies of the dead had yet to be recovered; he was pointing out how he, given enough money, could have prevented such a thing.
Since Iowa's gasoline and diesel taxes are fixed amounts per gallon, he's missing out on revenue when we buy less. Being the most tax-happy governor in our history, he is raising the state tax on fuel to make up for it. There was some minor screaming about this, so he then claimed he did not intend to raise gasoline as much, and would instead put the heavier tax on diesel.
Just follow the money and you will always find the crooks.
I just spoke to a farmer friend today when we were pheasant hunting his land about the effects of fuel prices on him and his neighbors. He doesn't even know if he will continue farming or even bother to plant this spring. Only the Oil Companies and farm supply corporations (seed, fertilizer, pesticides, etc. ) are making any money off the higher corn and soybean prices. Farmers are seeing their profits shrink due to fuel costs.
So expect skyrocketing food costs. Especially once Big Corporations take over our family farms.
Vote carefully this year. Find the candidate who really has an energy independence plan that will work. Find the candidate who will not be bought by Big Oil and Big Business. Find the candidate who truly understands our government is supposed to function solely in the interests of our people; not Big Business and foreign nations. The next leader either saves our country, or presides over it's final plunge. I suggest you all look hard at Dr. Ron Paul's message, voting record, and integrity.
Nonetheless, oil companies have jumped on this "not adding" as an excuse to claim it somehow costs them more to make ULSD. What a lie!
It takes less crude oil to make a gallon of diesel than it does to make a gallon of gasoline. It takes far LESS refining, too.
Therefore, diesel should NEVER cost more than gasoline.
But if you pay attention; ever since Katrina, one little storm; one Middle East political "crisis"; seasonal demand, whether higher OR lower; one rusted out pipe; one ANYTHING is enough excuse for oil companies to claim a shortage of refined fuel. Each of the Big Oil companies take turns with contriving excuses for this false shortage while tankers sit full outside their refineries. If the cost of crude goes up; prices go up. If the cost of crude goes down; prices still go up.
I have the most asinine response letter from one of my state's Senators, Chuck Grassley, trying to answer my hard questions to him about this crap. He actually tries to convince me he is helping his constituents by offering even more tax breaks to Big Oil since they are apparently so over-burdened by their $40 Billion annual profits!! He is solidly owned by them. They all are, but politicians like him who are supposed to represent one of the most bioDiesel and ethanol productive states command even more attention and graft from Big Oil. They simply can't have clean, renewable, domestic energy threatening their stranglehold.
Interviews with actual production refinery workers confirm the fact the "shortages" are non-existent and deliberate. Oil Companies claim the greenies will not allow them to build additional refineries or increase capacity at existing ones. Bull. They are actually just shutting down as much production as they can.
This is a matter of National Security as far as I'm concerned. If the Oil Companies, with their greedy monopoly, cannot meet the needs of this Nation, then maybe it's time we nationalized our refineries. Our national debt could almost be paid off at the current Big Oil profit rate.
Your state politicians are screwing you, too. Many states, such as California I believe, have their fuel taxes figured as a percentage of the current price of a gallon. These prices are huge tax windfalls for them! The politicians do NOT want prices to go down, no matter how sympathetic they claim to be to our personal economic plunge. They too, are making a killing for their porkbarrel spending.
In Iowa, our worthless governor is whining that we no longer buy as much fuel as we used to (no kidding? Gee, I wonder why?). So it's our fault for using less that he must now increase our taxes again? That should really help folks who have already cut their fuel consumption to the bare minimum.
He waited for the Minneapolis bridge collapse to announce this. It was a great excuse. Even as the bodies of the dead had yet to be recovered; he was pointing out how he, given enough money, could have prevented such a thing.
Since Iowa's gasoline and diesel taxes are fixed amounts per gallon, he's missing out on revenue when we buy less. Being the most tax-happy governor in our history, he is raising the state tax on fuel to make up for it. There was some minor screaming about this, so he then claimed he did not intend to raise gasoline as much, and would instead put the heavier tax on diesel.
Just follow the money and you will always find the crooks.
I just spoke to a farmer friend today when we were pheasant hunting his land about the effects of fuel prices on him and his neighbors. He doesn't even know if he will continue farming or even bother to plant this spring. Only the Oil Companies and farm supply corporations (seed, fertilizer, pesticides, etc. ) are making any money off the higher corn and soybean prices. Farmers are seeing their profits shrink due to fuel costs.
So expect skyrocketing food costs. Especially once Big Corporations take over our family farms.
Vote carefully this year. Find the candidate who really has an energy independence plan that will work. Find the candidate who will not be bought by Big Oil and Big Business. Find the candidate who truly understands our government is supposed to function solely in the interests of our people; not Big Business and foreign nations. The next leader either saves our country, or presides over it's final plunge. I suggest you all look hard at Dr. Ron Paul's message, voting record, and integrity.
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GAmes
TDR MEMBER
Fuel prices keep rising because of US!! Don't believe it? Look around, how many people are driving slower, car pooling, walking or biking to work or a store that is a short distance from home. As long as we keep sucking up the fuel, the oil companies are going to suck up the profits. If you owned an ice cream company that sold a pint for 50 cents, would you hold your prices down if people were willing to pay $5 and ate just as much? How many of you drink bottled water? I'll bet it costs more per gallon than gas. By the way, that plastic bottle is a petroleum product. How many of you have gas guzzling toys in your garage? I, for one, have a vintage Johnson 150GT hanging on the back of my bass boat that gets 1. 5 mpg wide open. The price of fuel is where it is because of you, me, our relatives and neighbors.
SRath, "Sulfur has always been added to diesel as a lubricant. " ranks up there as one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read.
SRath, "Sulfur has always been added to diesel as a lubricant. " ranks up there as one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read.
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Vaughn MacKenzie
TDR MEMBER
If you do a Google News search you'll see diesel prices are high worldwide. China is one of the biggest culprits. They are living what we did in the '70s. . . fuel shortages, long lines, & rationing. One article said the Chinese government was going to increase imports at any cost.
I agree with all your post it is a lot of everything discussed and there is only one way to try and cure the problem. That is to let our representatives know that if they do not start lobbying for the working class who voted them into office and who make this country what it is, we will vote them out of office and we need to keep doing it until we get representatives that fight for us, after awhile they will get the message, I hope.
Everyone needs to get out and vote.
This tread was originally not started for political reasons but I thought I would add my penny's worth.
Everyone needs to get out and vote.
This tread was originally not started for political reasons but I thought I would add my penny's worth.
Srath, I would like to know where you got your information from. Everything I have heard, including from companies like Stanadyne who have nothing to gain from the high oil prices state that the as the sulfer is removed so is the natural lubricity of the fuel, the sulfer is the lubricating agent.
If the farm supply companies are getting so rich, maybe your friend should look into organic and stop supporting them. If you were to research their prices you would once again realize that the world prices are on the rise for the basic fertilizers, and both of these have a direct tie to Chinas appetite for fuel and food. They have begun to gobble up foods such as beef that are produced domestically and has a worse conversion than chicken, their former primary protein source. I would also like to know what your friend is paying for rent, if he can't make any money, why is the land rent so high?
I can remember paying $. 99/gallon when I bought my truck, but if you calculate the prices of diesel vs gasoline compared to the energy contained you would find out that they are actually priced fairly close to what they should be and before we were getting a deal on diesel as it contains more energy than gasoline.
Why are there reserves we haven't touched domestically? Where are they? What are they? Was it cost prohibitive before?
Have you ever researched the conversions required to operate a vehicle on E85 vs RUG. Ethanal is much more corosive than RUG and hence several componants must be changed in order to handle that. Also because of the octane when we begin to have the 100% available we can begin to purchase higher compression engines that have the timing adjusted for the fuel and get better milage, like they do in Brazil.
SRath, I agree completely. If anyone out there believes we are paying more for fuel for any other reason than simple greed, you have been completely misled. Big oil/money tells our government what to do; believe it. How else can you make more profit than ever, when your base ingredient is more expensive than ever? We're talking even more profit than when oil was cheap! Politicians don't care about you and me; remember that they receive fuel allowances-you and I are paying for their fuel with our tax dollars. I believe them all to be corrupt; some much more than others. Not untill the citizens of this country band together and make a real stand will things change. A good place to start might be the removal of money/contributions from politics completely; I'm sure that will go over without a huff!
All kidding aside, this is a problem that runs very deep. This becomes obvious when one begins researching and educating himself on these issues, and stops listening to the garbage being spewed on corporate TV that masquerades as journalism.
All kidding aside, this is a problem that runs very deep. This becomes obvious when one begins researching and educating himself on these issues, and stops listening to the garbage being spewed on corporate TV that masquerades as journalism.
"I would also like to know what your friend is paying for rent, if he can't make any money, why is the land rent so high?"
Who said anything about him renting?
That was one of the really disturbing things about his statement. His farm is one of the recognized Century Farms here in Iowa. That means the same family has owned and been actively farming that land for over 100 years. That includes the Great Depression, by the way. He is very depressed about the prospect of it ending with him. Especially with his folks in their eighties still living there on that land in the main farmhouse, too. He doesn't want to be the one to fail.
Do you think "organic" farming means they use a horse and single bottom plow? It is the fuel costs that everyone else in the chain (suppliers) can pass along that are increasing the cost of farming so much. The farmer has to settle for what market prices give him, regardless of what he invested in the crop (including fuel). The suppliers won't and can't lose money. The farmer is in a different situation.
"we were getting a deal on diesel "
You may find yourself in a very lonely position with that statement...
Oil companies are getting away with unreasonable profiteering. Their profit margin is NOT based on a per-gallon or per-barrel of crude amount. It is based upon a percentage of the cost of a barrel of crude. So the higher crude prices go, the higher their profit margin goes. Those record profits are NOT from selling more gasoline and diesel. It is in their best interests to do all they can to keep the price of crude high and going higher. That is directly opposite the interests of our economy. And that information came from testimony they themselves gave before Congress!
So if crude cost $100 per barrel today, and they added 40% profit on top of their actual refining costs, they would clear $40 per barrel profit. Now if the price of crude doubles tomorrow, even though it would not cost them any more to refine it, they would build in an $80 per barrel profit. See how insidious and unreasonable that is?
"SRath, "Sulfur has always been added to diesel as a lubricant. " ranks up there as one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read. "
Please explain what I have wrong about that. Sulphur has always been to diesel what lead was to gasoline until the late seventies. An added lubricant.
Who said anything about him renting?
That was one of the really disturbing things about his statement. His farm is one of the recognized Century Farms here in Iowa. That means the same family has owned and been actively farming that land for over 100 years. That includes the Great Depression, by the way. He is very depressed about the prospect of it ending with him. Especially with his folks in their eighties still living there on that land in the main farmhouse, too. He doesn't want to be the one to fail.
Do you think "organic" farming means they use a horse and single bottom plow? It is the fuel costs that everyone else in the chain (suppliers) can pass along that are increasing the cost of farming so much. The farmer has to settle for what market prices give him, regardless of what he invested in the crop (including fuel). The suppliers won't and can't lose money. The farmer is in a different situation.
"we were getting a deal on diesel "
You may find yourself in a very lonely position with that statement...
Oil companies are getting away with unreasonable profiteering. Their profit margin is NOT based on a per-gallon or per-barrel of crude amount. It is based upon a percentage of the cost of a barrel of crude. So the higher crude prices go, the higher their profit margin goes. Those record profits are NOT from selling more gasoline and diesel. It is in their best interests to do all they can to keep the price of crude high and going higher. That is directly opposite the interests of our economy. And that information came from testimony they themselves gave before Congress!
So if crude cost $100 per barrel today, and they added 40% profit on top of their actual refining costs, they would clear $40 per barrel profit. Now if the price of crude doubles tomorrow, even though it would not cost them any more to refine it, they would build in an $80 per barrel profit. See how insidious and unreasonable that is?
"SRath, "Sulfur has always been added to diesel as a lubricant. " ranks up there as one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read. "
Please explain what I have wrong about that. Sulphur has always been to diesel what lead was to gasoline until the late seventies. An added lubricant.
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GAmes
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That's a no brainer. Sulfur naturally occurs in oil. "Sweet crude" has less sulfur and costs more per barrel because it takes less refining to remove the sulfur. It has been removed in the refining process for many, many years... ..... even before LSD, much less ULSD. And why does it need to be removed? Because it is a CORROSIVE, not a lubricant. Not even close to a comparison with lead, which was added to gasoline a long time ago.
Stating that sulfur is an added lubricant doesn't do much to enhance your credibility.
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