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rbattelle

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Well, I finally completed the installation of my Diesel Services Group (DSG) high idler after some trouble determining the correct TPS wires to tap into (see this thread ). I thought I'd review my installation and give a little commentary on the kit.



The correct part number for late-build 2003 and up trucks is TM5904S. Late build '03s have the TPS located beneath the driver's side battery (on early builds it was on the engine in front of the intake horn).



Here's a pic that shows what you're left with after removing the wheel well. In each of these photos I also labeled things "of interest" that have nothing to do with this install.

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For the '03 and '04 trucks the idler needs the following signals:

WHITE WIRE from idler = APPS SIGNAL #1

BLACK WIRE from idler = APPS SIGNAL #2

These are obtained by tapping cavities 1 (DB/DG wire) and 5 (WT/DG wire).



To tap them, you don't want to cut them. Instead, strip away a small section of each wire, like this:

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Then, I soldered some 18ga. wire in:

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The instructions tell you to solder the wires from the idler directly to the TPS, but since I wanted to install the idler box in the cab it was necessary to extend the wiring a bit. There are no ill-effects from doing so.



I believe firmly in making the highest-quality connections - watertight wherever possible. In this case, I first wrapped each spliced wire with self-fusing silicone tape, then wrapped all the wires in the harness with that same tape:

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And on top of that I installed spiral wrap and a final layer of split loom:

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With all that done, I reinstalled the wheel well liner. I passed the signal wires from the DSG box through the firewall and soldered them onto the ends of the wires I installed in the previous step. This idler is equipped with twisted-shielded pair wire for both the idle adjustment potentiometer and the APPS signal wires (for those who have never heard of this, it's very high quality noise-resistant cable). In order to properly noise shield this cable, you must connect one end (and only one end) of the shield to a ground. Hence the ground wire that's required by the kit.

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Notice I used the same self-fusing tape (except blue this time). I also wrapped the connections with spiral loom and wire-tied the assembly to the P/S hose. Also note that those with early-build '03 trucks can't use that 3/8-16 bolt location like me, since their TPS occupies that space.



Here's a shot of the DSG idler itself:

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The aluminum bracket is something I fabricated myself to mount the box under the dash. Unfortunately, it didn't work because there wasn't as much room under there as I thought.



The under hood work is finished at this point, and we move into the cab. You have to tap a wire on the brake light switch that goes to +12v when brake is applied. This is done by tapping cavity 2 (wire is WT/TN): Brake Lamp Switch Output. I did this exactly the same way I tapped the TPS wires: cut away insulation, solder in wire, apply self-fusing tape.



I decided to mount the switch and the idle adjust potentiometer in the overhead computer. To do this, I had to extend the wiring about 6 feet to travel up the driver's side A-pillar and over to the overhead. This is a simple matter of making up a neat wiring harness and plugging it into the DSG box. Here's a shot of the finished product:

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To engage the idler, you simply press the button, then adjust the idle speed as desired with the potentiometer. A word of caution: when I finished installation and pressed the button, nothing happened (regardless of the setting of the potentiometer). There is a simple calibration procedure outlined in the DSG manual whereby you must rotate an internal potentiometer within the DSG box itself to achieve the desired maximum RPM. Once I adjusted that screw, everything worked fine. I set my maximum RPM to just under 1500. With the idler engaged, depressing the brake turns it off.



My one complaint about the setup is the idle adjustment potentiometer: all the idle speed adjustment occurs in the last 10% of the knob rotation. This could be fixed with a little narrower-range potentiometer, but I understand why DSG did it this way: it provides maximum flexibility for use on different model year trucks.



Finally, I must give great credit to the guys at DSG, especially Trent Millard. There were differences between the DSG instructions and what I actually had on my truck (and also what was indicated in the service manual didn't match what was on my truck). They took time to answer my questions to get the unit installed right. I highly recommend this kit to anyone considering a high idle option.



Service manual references (2003): 8W-80-6, 8W-80-12.



-Ryan
 
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Looks really cool up there. The dealership installed mine right below the emergency brake realease lever, on that flat spot. My autostart it also tied into it and I can activate the high idle from the autostart remote. It is a must have for colder climates. Thanks for the pics and the ideas.



Brent
 
Brent, which auto start do you have, never heard of "Premium"? Or is it the Mopar auto start? How difficult was it to get the high idler and auto start to work together? Need a setup like that for the winter.



Mike
 
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Ryan, thanks for the info! I just placed my order for the idle controller! It drives me nuts not being able to "electronically" high idle this beast in the winter. The window scraper works ok, but is a bit annoying.
 
rbattelle- excellent write up!! good job buddy!



Brent- You must have got your truck at gene's too! I love my high idle, and it's great the dealer installs them for us. I also wired mine into my autostart. Works great!
 
A few more comments

This morning I remembered a few more things I forgot to metion when I made this thread last night.



First, there is a wire on the DSG unit specifically for use with an autostart, and the DSG instructions tell you how to connect it to your auto start. I didn't use this wire, since I don't have an auto start.



Second, all my connections were also coated with liquid electrical tape before I applied that self-fusing silicone tape. Two coats, 10-15 minutes dry time between each. It's available from Eastwood, among other places.



Finally, I wanted to comment about the robustness of this idler. If you open the top of the box you find inside a circuit that has been completely coated in some sort of white silicone-like substance. There are no open connections for water to get in and damage. In my opinion, that's very smart on DSG's part. I'd be willing to wager that this unit could be hosed off with water and still function normally. Someone very clever designed and built these units.



Also, I haven't really found a mounting location for the box itself that I'm happy with. As I mentioned, I made up that little aluminum bracket to bolt into a spare hole I found under the dash and tapped for 3/8-16, but when I tried to stick the box up there it wouldn't fit. For now I've just got it sitting on the kick panel support bar, just above where the OBD-II connector goes.



I hope this thread helps out others who decide to make this mod. And thanks for the compliments... :)



-Ryan
 
In order to get the remote ramp to work You will need a latch relay switch ,This relay will need to a 12v supply ALL THE TIME, Also your module needs to to have a auxiliary wire available and your remote will need a auxiliary button inoperation at all times, The reason the button needs to be available at all time is because you will need to push it to engage it and also to dis-engage it. You will get the dead pedal if you Don"t push it first before you touch the brake. Ryan we velcro all the units we install above the wiring harness were the brake controler plugs in. I have the wiring diagram or you can get it from DSG, I email it to Trend Back in March.
 
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TWest said:
In order to get the remote ramp to work You will need a latch relay switch ,This relay will need to a 12v supply ALL THE TIME, Also your module needs to to have a auxiliary wire available and your remote will need a auxiliary button inoperation at all times, The reason the button needs to be available at all time is because you will need to push it to engage it and also to dis-engage it. You will get the dead pedal if you Don"t push it first before you touch the brake. Ryan we velcro all the units we install above the wiring harness were the brake controler plugs in. I have the wiring diagram or you can get it from DSG, I email it to Trend Back in March.

Inside the cab, up next to the pedal?
 
Just above the harness their is two bolts that hold the wiring harness just above that, all kinds of room, make sure it a clean surface, the velcro will have no problem holding it here.
 
TWest- Looks like you have installed several of these. My dealer installed the unit on my truck, but I would like to see the instruction manuel for hooking up with the autstart. I hooked mine up differant then what you had mentioned. I just took one of the channels from the autostart and went to the dead side of the push button switch. Then I just hit the button on the remote to activate the idle. How does the factory hookup work?
 
SLinse said:
TWest- Looks like you have installed several of these. My dealer installed the unit on my truck, but I would like to see the instruction manuel for hooking up with the autstart. I hooked mine up differant then what you had mentioned. I just took one of the channels from the autostart and went to the dead side of the push button switch. Then I just hit the button on the remote to activate the idle. How does the factory hookup work?



Thier are so many different auto starters available I don"t think a manual could cover them all, I feel the safe way is a latch relay, This protects both modules from spikes that could damage them. You need the wiring diagram from the manufacturer to find if possible an auxiliary wire,Than the remote does it have a spare button. If you don"t have a spare it get more complex.
 
CIverson said:
Does anyone know if an exhaust brake will stay actuated w/ this high idler engaged?



I would like to know the same thing, though my guess it will not because as I understand it, the DSG box is "fooling" the ECM into seeing a slightly depressed accelerator pedal, therefore the engine thinks that it is off idle and the units that use input from the ECM would be turned off.



Just a guess really, I am looking for someone who might know for sure.....
 
I can say for certain that the DSG unit is simulating a depressed accelerator pedal. When I turn it on and my OBD-II monitor is running, % throttle varies with the potentiometer. I can adjust it between 0% and ~8%. Any exhaust brake that won't run at throttle position >0% simply won't work.
 
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