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In this country, we need a real Diesel dose of reality. Just once, I'd like to see a nationally syndicated public periodical explain the real reasons the Diesel went south in this country via the GM350 Diesel. That the engine went from idea to production in just over one month's time. That GM made a mistake in their product and that doesn't apply to the well-engineered Diesels like our Cummins and the millions of other Diesels that propel the rest of the world reliably and efficiently. That the Diesel actually runs more environmentally friendly than a gasser can ever dream of, and how economical and long-lasting they are... and how they start very well even in the cold.

I am in this industry for six years now, and I still cringe thinking about how our postmodern society still thinks back into the dark ages and how our media is so powerful and yet so wrong in so many ways at the same time. No other single voice is so embraced, yet so damaging to so many things. Freedom of speech is one thing, but to abuse that and constantly confuse the public? This is why companies like BMW, Isuzu, & Volvo pulled their Diesels from U. S. circulation. The people were terrified of what those horrible engines would do next to them. I remember, as a youngster, playing at my grandmother's apartment complex. Many Oldsmobile Diesels were in the automobile population there. The women would all gather after dinner at one particular porch and talk about things... . one of them being "that Diesel didn't start AGAIN".

Truck Trend did a decent piece on the Diesel engine a couple issues ago... . but the article was full of errors and misinformation. And think about who reads Truck Trend. I wouldn't say that it has the same amount of readers that lets say Motor Trend or Car & Driver has. I'd like to see at least once a year, and I'm being very generous, one of the aforementioned go on and do an all out Diesel test. Let's hear how the Jetta TDI is a fantastic little car that goes about 600 miles on a 12 gallons of Diesel. Car & Driver did a TDI cross country test a few years back, and they tested a Mack class 8 camper, and a Crane, and Firetruck. It has now been a while since even they have said anything beneficial, though.

And how about the wonderful salespeople at the dealerships. When I was looking to buy my truck, I stumbled upon a small Dodge dealer and just walked in for some info. The guy, who looked like Orville Redenbacher, looked at me scornfully and said "sonny, we don't make a Diesel". I couldn't believe my ears. Last year, when we were looking for our TDI Jetta, a salesperson at a VW dealer (that will go nameless despite the big sign in the window that said " OUR DIESEL IS A GAS TO DRIVE ") told me "you don't want a Diesel, they are noisy, smelly, gotta plug 'em in when it gets cold" (more great info--the TDI has no plug in heater). "These TDIs are for the 1% of the people who used to have Diesel Rabbits and want another Diesel. " Think about it. Cars from the early 80s just being put to their graves twenty years later. I also drove up right in front of his window with my Dodge/Cummins. I think the whole place knew what pulled up. If the companies right now who produce Diesels for U. S. sales would market them as well as GM does, we would see a major Diesel sales boom in this country. Maybe GM can't build the right product, but they do a great job marketing it. I pass a GM dealer on my way home from work, and see the occasional disbeliever pulling away in a new Duramax, while leaving a Powerstroke or Dodge/Cummins behind. Their marketing is working. I'd like to see more of that, and maybe... . just maybe... . the press would follow suit.
 
When your right your right!!! I totally agree. My wife wants one of the new Volkswagon Bug's (yellow, ICK). I've told her as soon as we get a Volkwagon dealership in Springfield she can have one as long as it is the diesel. Closest dealership now is 1 1/2 hour away. too far to go for service and the free oil changes :)
 
For the service, I told 'em "you'll never see this car again" and as far as oil changes go, they gave me six oil filters. I bought the ross-tech VAG-COM software to diagnose and fix my car with. It's the same as the VW techs use.
 
Well said, Chris. The point you make, goes along with my thread on "Diesel Performance takes a back seat". Only you hit a lot of the high points that I wish I had. As long as it gets said ! :D
 
I don't want a diesel revolution! It would drive up the cost of diesel. That would be bad. Then everyone and their dog would have one, making mine less unique, and they would be having just as much fun as I am. That is bad too. Let everyone else live their gas-loving lives. Ignorance is bliss, or maybe a lack of bliss. :confused: Whatever.
 
Politicians don't like truckers parading a convoy of protest in front of our nation's capital in response to high fuel prices. Going back a year and a half ago, they saw it... . as well as the trucking industry taking a day off. Nobody liked that. The fuel prices went right down. I want to see a Diesel jumpstart in this nation. I'd like to be able to select more than one brand of car and three brands of trucks to buy from.
 
Well said, Chris !!!! The fact that the public is either misinformed or under educated in regards to the diesel engine is very apparent. Seems like most of the truck magazines I've seen don't even know that diesel exisits. The one that comes to mind, and I don't recall the name of the rag, had a big truck test. Guess what the Dodge 3500 was equipped with???? V-10. All the other rigs were gassers as well. They did a trailer pull off and all, imagine what the results would have been if they let a stinky diesel in the competition .





Nice post Chris !!!!



Scott W.
 
Good post Chris. We will never see a proliferation of diesel passenger cars in what should have been the evolution of transportation in this country. The trend will be to skip right over diesel to hybrid electric/gas. Fine with me.
 
every time i describe my truck to someone "not in the know" their first response is why did you buy a diesel. my usual reply is "becuase i only buy the best", some people will never get it, it sure is fun passing them on hills towing a trailer though:cool:
 
Originally posted by rubberneck

... some people will never get it...



That about says it right there. I tell people I will NEVER own a gasoline-powered full-size truck again, and they all look at me with this dumb blank stare and say, "Really?" Then I tell them my 7000 lb. truck gets 22-23 mpg, and they just kind of go "duh. . " I think it's just too deeply ingrained in the minds of the general public that diesels are smelly, dirty, sluggish, and unrealiable.

Here in the U. S. , we're way behind the Europeans when it comes to diesels (and other things, like high-speed trains).

Andy
 
When I bought my CTD, my brother-in-laws first remark was that big truck will cost you a fortune to fuel. That weekend I traveled to KC and got 20 mpg. Within a month he came driving up in a new Ford 1 ton 4x4 crwcab with the PSD in it. :D Right idea, wrong truck :eek:
 
Andy i will take your comment a step further. i will never own a gas "anything" if there is a diesel version available.



i have an old Ford 8N the heart and sole of the farming revolution, the most produced tractor in the world for some 30+ years, right. well in 94 i bought a Masey Ferguson compact. its a diesel. before that i had a 16hp gas garden tractor we mowed with. it took 15 gallons of gas each time we would mow the grass.



i would spend about three hours on the ford and the wife about 4-5hours on the graden tractor. we now mow everything in 5hours and use five gallons of diesel for three mowing sesions before refueling. that is 1/3 less fuel and one machine replaced two.



that poor Ford just sits in the garage and wimpers every time i hop on the MF'r :D



and the Garden tractor is out back in the ditch, slowing down the erosion :D
 
My Cummins convinced the wife that Diesel is the way to go. We sold the Durango and got a PSD Excursion. The Excursion is twice as big, twice as heavy, and gets gets about 60% better fuel economy than the Durango. We have had it with gas in this family :eek:
 
Well put Chris.

I don't think Car & Driver or Motortrend magazines are the answer though. Look how they rolled over and dedicate a large portion to SUV's. Then there are the so called 4x4 mags. Don't know as I have ever seen the test rig specs match up. I think they put drivers in them that hate trucks or particular brands too. Then too, maybe we shoot ourselves in the foot with what we write on these threads.



Mostly though, IMHO, as long as you can still buy cheap gasoline, only the "lunatic fringe" will be looking for diesel cars. John "Q" does not have a clue about what's happening under the hood these days. They just want to gas and go. And, why pay more for diesel and face the unknown?



Perhaps diesel powered pickups have been to successful? Even GM's have occasionally amassed pretty many miles. Go into the dealer and try to buy parts. Guy seems like it is his first day on the job wading through the software. Is that because they don't sell many or don't fix many?
 
I've been preechin to all of the lost souls that'll listen and a few that won't.



I got dad to buy one. . but he got a CC phord. . right truck, wrong engine;)



I tell people that my dually gets 15-17 and they're amazed.

I have a friend that I converted from a vegetarian to a bonafide steak eater. . Last time I talked to him he wanted me to help him find a DODGE DIESEL truck.



2 down the whole world to go... :rolleyes:
 
The other thing that will never get the magazines to print the truth is that they have full page advertisements from GM all over them. They'd lose a lot of money if they told the truth about the GM Diesel saga. I subscribe to Gun Tests magazine. They never have, nor will let gun companies con endorsements through full page ads. I think that's yet another problem with this media thing. And as far as parts people go, this industry has taken a big nap... and doesn't wish to be awakened yet. I deal with this every single day. If it's not on backorder, then it's impossible to find, or wrong, or best yet... . the parts guy tells you where to shove it and then hangs up on you. The latter of the facts is why the industry does not want to wake up from the nap yet.
 
Originally posted by Todd T

Andy i will take your comment a step further. i will never own a gas "anything" if there is a diesel version available.




Todd, I agree! However, I wouldn't mind owning a '69 or '70 Mach I or Boss 302 Mustang someday, and I own a a cheap, older Honda Civic that I use as a beater/commuter car. That's why I limited my statement to just "full-size trucks". No more gas-guzzling, spark plug using, overheating, can't-climb-a-hill-worth-squat-while-towing trucks for me! Only diesels for this boy! That is, except in a Mustang!

Andy
 
GM:The diesel truck of my dreams >>> NOT

In 1979 I was a hard working 19 year old man.

For some reason I had become a diesel lover at a very young age.

When I heard that a company was to put a diesel in a pick-up truck Well,that was all I needed in life.

I drove down to the local chebby dealer and laid down my $8,800. and off I went in my non-airconditioned plain jane C-10. All I wanted was a diesel truck.

At 19800 miles the temp guage starts jumping back and forth like a windsheild wiper. Heads come off and there is a head bolt broken off in the block.

Again at 32000 miles,blown head gasket. This time the head bolts were OK.

At around 40000 miles this truck was getting 23 miles per Quart of oil.

When the fuelgage (dual tanks) went below 1/4 of a tank it started sucking air. Lopeing. One time it did run a tank dry and the Battery cables got almost red-hot trying to restart it. I smelled some electrical smoke so I raised the hood. Some how that night I touched the cable and burned my finger. (Safety hazard)

Now I am really mad at this lemon truck. I write GM and tell them about all the problems. After 4 weeks past no reply.

I bought a running 350 olds engine paid $350 for it and Paid $750 for the parts to rebuild it.

Its been 6 weeks now since my letter to GM and on the day before I am going to swap engines Mr. Bill Foote calls me to see about my burned fingers. I get a new target master diesel for free installed.

Well I still have $1100 in my 350 gas engine and a pregnant wife. Sold the $2200 diesel for $950 to some man in south Georgia.

Oh did I mention it had 2 starters replaced 3 injector pump rebuilds and 1 hydraulic brake booster replaced.

Hard lesson learned for me. It seems like GM would learn some lessons from all their past MISTAKES.

Tim
 
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Chris - This is a terrible post!!! But true. Re

Chris you have ripped the scab off a wound that GM inflicterd on me and my family backin 1979 when I was convinced by Oldsmobile that they "COULD BUILD ONE FOR ME". I had so many problems with that station wagon that I can't remember them all. Starter, Injectors, exploded rear window, paint pealed off, carpet too short, and three new engines to name a few. I hope to never buy a GM vehicle again. My 16 year old daughter totaled the car at about 52,000 miles and I believe I took advantage of the junkman who gave me $425 for it. Regards, Lynn
 
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