Dpf Warranty

[superdave]

In having a "chat" with Chrysler, Dodge thru their website, I was informed (after reading thru the warranty with the Dodge rep) that the DPF and all the other after exhaust manifold equipment is only warranteed for 3 yrs or 36000 miles EXCEPT in CA. I thought this was part of the emissions system but according to Dodge as well as in the booklet that comes with the new trucks, that it is not considered so except by CA. If this is such an expensive repair and required by the government, should this not be considered as part of the federal emissions and have the extended warranty?

 

[CSkal]

Maybe it will be part of the federal emissions warranty in 2010 since the trucks are 2010 compliant, but not now? I'm guessing.

 

[Loren]

If it's not part of the emissions system, does that mean that we can remove it without consequence, either from Dodge or the government?



Loren

 

[grasmo]

Good point . I am slowly forming the opinion that dodge is having more problems with this dpf system than they are letting on. I have the gut feeling that when I get my dpf delete if I have any warranty work to be donthat the dealer may look the other way and not make an issue out of it since they have had my truck in their shop repeatedly for emiision codes and 5 oil changes at 1500 mile intervals where the oil was sooted up.

 

[ADoty]

i have had 11 flashes in 6 months and the dealer does not record them on the service record. they only recorded 4 service calls. i just recv'd a copy of their service record to compare to mine.

1. idle up,2. replaced throttle control sensor, flashed 2x's, flashed 2x's on thermostat, check engine light has been flashed 3 x's and is on again. they flash the motor to clear and run it outside. do not do check sensors to see what is going on. running hwy empty 8. 7 - 9. 2 mpg. oil is getting higher on dip stick when you get it on your skin it stains and can't get it off without tearing hide off of hand. going back to dealer again so they can supposdely go clear through it. paid $55,470. 00 truck, have tears in my eyes, bad taste in mouth, wish i never saw the truck. anyone know how to fix it or cure it. the dealer doesn't seem to know and dodge just wants me to keep running back and forth to dealer

TIRED!!! NEVER IDLED, PRICE OF FUEL AT $3. 49 GAL WHO'S FAULT IS IT? DODGE OR CUMMINS? DEALERSHIP IN DODGE CITY KS SOLD US THE TRUCK, GOT OUR MONEY AND NOW SINCE THERE ARE PROBLEMS THEY ACT LIKE THEY DON'T WANT US AROUND. THEY DON'T PUT ALL THE SERVICE CALLS ON THE SERVICE LOG, THEY DO THIS SO WE CAN'T TAKE THEM TO THE LEMON LAW,AND DODGE WON'T BUY IT BACK BECAUSE OF THE SERVICE RECORDS. WE DRIVE 100 MILES AND THEY SPEND 15 MIN FLASHING AND PARK THE TRUCK OUT BACK AND WE HAVE TO GO FIND IT, THEY DON'T EVEN TILL YOU IT IS READY OR GO GET IT FOR YOU. THEY ACT LIKE THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. THEY ARE NOT PAYING THE BILL IT GOES BACK TO TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE CUSTOMER. THEY ACT LIKE HEAR NO EVIL,SPEAK NO EVIL AND SEE NO EVIL THAT NOTHING IS WRONG. DODGE NEEDS TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR BAD PRODUCT.

 

[ADoty]

received the following from leo on the internet 2006 dodge,jeep,chrysler ase master technician of the year:

"cummins sold dodge the new 6. 7with it's "super clean" emissions system and it's a complete joke.

they start by throwing codes for the egr/etc system. cummins offers a flash. then comes the oxygen sensor codes, then along came the g30 to fix it. . ok, so now no more oxygen sensor codes, ooopss. . avg fuel economy drops down into the 10 mpg range (some reporting as high as 15,but not very many) and they start setting strange 'thermostat operation' codes. . there is supposed to be another flash coming that will take care of this. same old song and dance.

i'm as frustrated as you, i've bought into all their so called 'fixes' told people their truck was fixed, only to have it appear back with something other issue caused by the 'fix'. . makes me look like a fool.

i really like the 5. 9 cummins and enjoy working on them. they were a rock solid workhorse, the harder they were run the better. the 6. 7 has turned out so far to be a joke.

i'd make sure to save every scrap of paperwork, get a hardcopy of the repair order every time it's in for service even if they have to order a part. get a copy of the repair order for that visit, and head for lemon law land. if dodge has to start buying back a fleet's worth of $50K+ trucks it might get someones attention.

they have had over a year to resolve this and continue to act like it's not a big deal.

apoligies for the rant i do fee bad for you. no need to accept this answer, just wanted you to know how i feel about the whole issue. don't take it out on the service department though, it's impossible to fix what never worked correctly to begin with"



WHO IS AT FAULT? DODGE OR CUMMINS?

AT $55,470. 00 for the truck and the fuel at $3. 49 gal and making 8. 7-9. 2 mpg not pulling anything i can't afford this truck NEVER IDLED IT BECAUSE OF FUEL PRICES AT $3. 49 GAL. DEALERSHIP IN DODGE CITY KS SOLD THE VEHICLE GOT OUR MONEY, NOW WE HAVE PROBLEMS AND THEY ACT LIKE THEY DON'T WANT US AROUND. THEY DON'T PUT ALL THE SERVICE ON THE SERVICE LOG, THEY DO THIS SO WE CAN'T TAKE THEM TO THE LEMON LAW AND DODGE WON'T BUY IT BACK BECAUSE OF THE SERVICE RECORDS. WE DRIVE 100 MILES AND ALL THEY DO IS 15 MIN, FLASH AND PUSH THE VEHICLE OUT THE DOOR AND WE HAVE TO GO TO THE BACK LOT TO FIND IT, THE DON'T EVEN BRING IT TO US OR TELL US IT IS READY, THEY ACT LIKE THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH IT, THEY AREN'T PAYING THE BILL IT GOES BACK TO TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE CUSTOMER. THEY ACT LIKE HEAR NO EVIL SPEAK NO EVIL, SEE NO EVIL THAT NOTHING IS WRONG.

 

[jimnance]

I'm convinced the solution will come from private companies offering "off road" components that by-pass and fool the ECM into thinking the emissions system is fine when in fact it has been disabled.



I believe the basic 6. 7 engine is a sound design. It's the crap that surrounds it that is a problem.

 

[betterthanstock]

I don't think you can remove it and not go to jail (or be liable to, if they catch you), but you CAN poke a hole thru it after 36K, then pay $150 or whatever is the maximum that you are liable for in most states, and be issued an EXEMPTION.



I would imagine a Roto-rooter inserted to the proper depth (don't go too deep) thru the straight-thru muffler, would be the easiest way to unclog it.

 

[jimnance]

Lucky, no emissions checks for diesels here - yet. The heck with the feds, if my DPF gives me trouble after warrantee it will be coming off.

 

[courierdog]

Let me correct some misinformation.
I have the extended warranty which includes the the DPF and iut was replaced once along with the G30 recall.
The milage improved I run a nominal 20 MPG
I currently have 84,000 Km on the truck since June 02, 2007
I run as a hot shot / courier and am on the road at all hours, all weather.
Truck runs great, thanks to an excellent dealer and his support.
I would do it all over again.

 

[nickleinonen]

I'm convinced the solution will come from private companies offering "off road" components that by-pass and fool the ECM into thinking the emissions system is fine when in fact it has been disabled.



I believe the basic 6. 7 engine is a sound design. It's the crap that surrounds it that is a problem.

i am surprised no one has come out with a complete ecm swap kit for the 6. 7. swap the ecm out for a 325/600 series version and change the harness as required then delete the egr and all related emissions equipment.

 

[jimnance]

Let me correct some misinformation.

I have the extended warranty which includes the the DPF and iut was replaced once along with the G30 recall.

The milage improved I run a nominal 20 MPG

I currently have 84,000 Km on the truck since June 02, 2007

I run as a hot shot / courier and am on the road at all hours, all weather.

Truck runs great, thanks to an excellent dealer and his support.

I would do it all over again.

Happy to hear, and I know some are having no problems. So far, I only have 4,500 miles and the only issue has been the G30 recall.



The problem with the DPF is that it is horribly expensive to replace. I do not have an extended warrantee, and I wonder if Chrysler will be around to stand behind the one they offer. Even the CEO of Chrysler said they are functionally bunkrupt. I don't think Chrysler will go away any time soon, but the extended warrantee group is probably a seperate division. While some parts of Chrysler (and Ford for that matter) may survive, they may step away from obligations in the event that they do file for bankruptcy.

 

[HBarlow]

Good point . I am slowly forming the opinion that dodge is having more problems with this dpf system than they are letting on. I have the gut feeling that when I get my dpf delete if I have any warranty work to be donthat the dealer may look the other way and not make an issue out of it since they have had my truck in their shop repeatedly for emiision codes and 5 oil changes at 1500 mile intervals where the oil was sooted up.

grasmo:



I'd like to know more about the DPF delete. I read another post, maybe written by you, referring to an aftermarket company who's making a kit. Would you start a new thread and tell us about it when you know more?



Or, if it is sensitive information, please pm me with info.



Harvey

 

[grasmo]

I 've been waiting 2 weeks for H&S to invoice me For the 700. 00 kit .
I'll let you guys know if I hear anything .

 

[JCleary]

i am surprised no one has come out with a complete ecm swap kit for the 6. 7. swap the ecm out for a 325/600 series version and change the harness as required then delete the egr and all related emissions equipment.

It's not a kit, but it has been done.



They used an '03 HO ECM and injectors. Supposedly made somewhere around 1k hp until a rod came apart...

 

[Jeff Knight]

Harvey,



Their's a thread already started with a web-site to go to. It is-get a DPF delete from Houston started by Paul Barker.



Jeff

 

[HBarlow]

Jeff,



Thanks. I'll visit it.



Harvey

 

[superdave]

Is anyone having the problems with the 2008 Cummins 6. 7 that seems to be the "norm" for the 2007 and 2007. 5 with the 6. 7? When I picked up my new 2008 week of Christmas, dealer service tech told me that it needed NO flashes, they had all been already incorporated into the computer at the factory. I only have about 400 miles so far and am not driving it daily. When the new highway is finished and I can not keep having windshields cracked, I will be driving it daily to work, 9 miles each way. From what I have been reading here, it seems to me they main problems have all occurred at the early stages of the engines being used on the 07 and 07. 5. . I surely hope the 2008 will be as trouble free as my other three Cummins have been... Here's hoping.

 

[MCummings]

superdave,



It seems you are correct, as it appears only ther early 6. 7's have been having an excess of problems, however, this was to be expected, and I think that the Dodge/Cummins has had the least problems off all the other brands, not only introducing a new motor, but alos introducing an all new emissions equipment that is complaint untill 2010, that's 4 very loing years ahead of what other manufactrurers are trying to battle with right now.



Also, the early '07's have 5. 9L Cummins, not until '07. 5 did the 6. 7L Cummins appear. So, just like in the '98 year, when there is '98. 0 with a 12V motor, and a '98. 5 with a 24V, so we have the '07 and '07. 5



Merrick

 

[lubeguy]

it is part of 5/100k emision wty labor op 11500139