dse in truck 04-05 CTD

[cj hall]

Will I did it, Put in 30 gallons of fuel in my 04 dodge truck it starts and runs great

temp in the low 30s at night low 50s in the day will keep posting to tell you how it works

Also put 25% mix in my wifes 05 dodge runing good also, smokes a little but think I found out why. will take care of this later this week.

 

[cj hall]

fuel

ran the truck (04) this am started great ran like it never ran before ,this stuff is great! no problems yet , hoping to get a road trip this next weekend ,clean tailpipe no soot or smoke . have made one change in the fuel for winter more kerosine 20% total

the 05 runing also no smoke,just a puff on start up, seams to be ok on 25% mix running great also.

 

[cj hall]

fuel day 3 DSE fuel

Same as yesterday things are running great also Acetone mixes with this fuel

thinking about using this as a additive, maybe! colder today temp around 45 at 10 am colder on thursday low's tonight 30.

 

[cj hall]

dse fuel day four

all is good everything is running great

will keep posting till this weekend road trip

making fuel on the 4th for the road trip

 

[cj hall]

Dse Fuel Day 4 And 5

Things still running great no problems , running to dinner tonight 230 miles round trip taking the 05 to put some mileage on it

might be running to Indy next weekend if so , going to need sone big tanks 2200 miles one way . Can I say this is a Road Trip??

 

[cj hall]

hello

the truck (05) is getting 17. 5 mpg at 80 mph with a 45 mph head wind

I think that good it only has 4000 miles on it and 25% WVO in the tank

it smokes really bad with more then that in the tank I think its the cat( 3/4 tons have cats 1 tons don't) o-well

longer road trip is going to happen but I don't have the fuel I need to make the trip so I will be leaving on WVO but not using it all the way there and back.

I will post till the day I leave.

thanks for looking

 

[moparguy]

cj, thanks for taking time to post. I may have to give this stuff a try in the old 12valve.



RJR

 

[JApol]

I've heard a lot of hemming and hawing about WVO and the common rail fuel system. It sounds like your is doing very well. 17. 5 bucking over 100MPH wind thats excellent. I would like to see calm numbers

 

[DSullivan]

I put up to 50% wvo in tank of my 04 smokes and chugs alittle at start but then smooths right out after about 10 seconds.

 

[cj hall]

dse day 9

Hello

Yes the road trip is on making fuel tonight for the trip, will start out on 100% dse wvo fuel then back to #2 o-well getting 13. 5 mpg running around town not to bad should be back monday sometime, then back to my fuel I

need a big tank in my 04 for trips but I need 8 foot box for my camper.

the 05 is running fine , will post when I get home.

Thank You

 

[Msilbernagel]

CJ,



I was reading a research document (some university) today that detailed how multiple manufacturers had studied both WVO and WVO/#2 mixed and found serious problems with injectors fouling when used in direct injection systems (like ours).



It would help a lot of us (and you I'd think) if you could periodically pull an injector or two for inspection.



The failure mechanism seems to be related to the higher viscosity (thicker) oil and how it affects the injector's spray pattern - the poorer pattern causing unburned fuel and therefore soot buildup in and around the nozzles.



If yours remain clean, it would really vindicate DSE's claims to improve the fuel's ability to be sprayed into the cylinder with a reasonably good pattern. And give you (and those considering following in your footsteps) some peace of mind when considering the cost of engine repairs...



?Thanks!



Mark

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[cj hall]

injector's

Mark

I plan on pulling one or two of them as soon as I can. need to find a person willing to do it. have not found that person yet but I am sure there out there.



The other thing i would like to try is some injectors made for WVO or at least flowed for WVO. maybe some one out there has some ideas I am willing to try.

The study and papers all come from schools that need money from big corps and the govt to run their schools. Think that could be a bad mixture of (if you tell them this we will give you this much) i am not saying their doing that but !!!

We all need to find out if this will work if we sit around till the big oil companys tell us it's ok, then we try, thats a little to late do you want to buy your oil from them and make them even richer i think not . i want to buy my fuel from a farmer some one i can go and talk to. we cant grow enuff plants to fuel this country this will not replace crude oil this is just a way to fuel a new way of thinking.

sorry about the rant



if unburned fuel in the combustion chamber is there would it not wash the cylinder walls and mix in with the oil like gas/alky motors do if you run them to rich (seen a few gallons of motor oil from a 500 ci hemi tractor puller very milky looking and very smelly )

just changed the oil after the first test in my truck very clean oil after 3000 miles granted not at all the miles were with this fuel I have made about 250 gallons of fuel so far have given away about 40 gallons and used the rest mostly in my 04 but i would think if that was happening i would see it in the crankcase oil

like my 05 truck I have been told that there is a 3rd event in the injector fuelling that cools the combustion chamber for the epa standards we must use anyway i looked at my oil and the dipstick is black looks like it been run 10000 miles no only 600 since the last change i think its over fueling and washing the cylinder walls but the dodge dealer says all 05 do this to the oil its a white truck you should see the soot on the side of the truck will pull a sample of the oil and send it to a lab to get it tested if it comes back saying that there fuel in the oil their getting that truck back . the motor will not last very long with that happing

the 04 with clean oil after 3000 miles and no smoke at all with no soot in the tail pipe its doing ok

sorry for the rant I just think we all need to try some things some time or we will be sitting around telling are greatgrand kids I remember when diesel fuel was 3 dollars a gallon

 

[roverhybrids]

I think this is the study he is refering to:

http://www.biomatnet.org/secure/Fair/F484.htm

 

[cj hall]

roverhybirds system

Hello

Thats the best system I have seen yet, good job sir.

Link to website works,take a look at it.

 

[Msilbernagel]

CJ,



I understand motives - but I'm not worried about that. I heard this phrase somewhere: "Trust, but verify". There is a lot at stake here, so regular inspection will either confirm it's working well for you, or save you a lot of money and trouble. Both are worthwhile and will benefit us all.



Also, by the way, my 04. 5 is as black as you mention after 500 miles. I've heard they all do that (and mine was on dino-diesel only). I think the third event is responsible, so I don't expect you'll find problems during oil testing.



Lastly, I'm elsewhere but when I get back to my main PC I'll post a link to the study. The one above is good reading, but not the one I was thinking of.



Good luck!



Mark

 

[Msilbernagel]

CJ,



Ok, here is the University work I'd mentioned.



It's actually pointed to from a thread here in TDR:



TDR Thread on DSE



In response #48, JGann points to a great resource on biodiesel and WVO/SVO at infopop. cc. That article is:



Biodiesel Forum article on DSE



That article has a 'read this first' link:



Facts about Diesel Secret...



Don't alarmed by their attitude. I refer to it because it has a link to the University of Idaho's paper (a MS Word document) that was a 'literature search' - meaning they did the legwork finding all that stuff - on using raw vegetable oils either straigt or mixed with #2 diesel, and also looking at indirect and direct injection engines and how the fuels performed.



The University's paper is found at:



University of Idaho article on raw oils in diesel engines



About half way down is a link to the word document itself:



Using Unmodified Vegetable Oils as a Diesel Fuel Extender – A Literature Review



Lastly, here's another nice collection of information:



Straight Vegetable Oil As Diesel Fuel



Personally, I try and learn from folks taking an opposing view. I might interpret their information differently, but it is often a good way to get educated on a matter. In this case, I think there is 'smoke' -- and, so, the real issue is whether or not DSE addresses the potential problems with using raw vegetable oils as fuel in our direct injected Cummins.



No panic, just a healthy concern, and therefore that 'trust but verify' attitude.



I don't see where you live - if we knew, perhaps someone nearby would volunteer to help you perform a periodic check on the injectors. If not, I'd consider contributing to a 'pool' to help pay to have it done.



What do you think?



Thanks and good luck!



Mark

 

[JPereira]

Stock Filter and WVO

CJ,

Did you add any additional fuel filters before using the WVO mix? I had read that paper filters can expand from WVO and did not know if the stock fuel filter had any paper in it? I am fairly certain the stock filter is synthetic material but could not find details on it. I am in the process of collecting Soy Oil from a local source. I am going to be using a WVO and diesel mix in my 4. 5. I am also going to try this in my furnace at a very low ratio.

Thanks, Jeff

 

[Jengle]

Very good info. Keep this one going, guys.

 

[Garry Verheyden]

Cj

Am I reading this post right that yuo are using WVO mixed with #2. Or are you making biodiesel? I am soon going to be mixing my own bio but like to hear other peoples results first. Thanks

Garry

 

[Jeepmullet]

Be careful trusting what "girl mark'' has to say about alternative fuels. She authored a book about how to make your own appleseed processor to manufacture biodiesel. I read several threads where she was argumentative with other members of that site over petty things.



I understand she has helped tons of people with their processors for making bio, but wouldnt necessarily take what she said about other things without first getting out a grain of salt.