dually spare

[jlast]

I need a spare plus I have one rim slightly bent. I was wandering if other auto makers rims would fit? I know 94+ dodge are hub centered, superduty are metric hub centered and 1st gen are lug centered? I see Phillp runs aftermarket rims that fit both a chevy and his dodge, but would stock rims fit? Also would like to know the different backspacing, I read on TDR somewhere about the difference but I can not find it now.



OR another option, maybe:



I seen a cab and chassis dually chevy truck with 19. 5" rims on it took some basic mearsurements and looks like they would fit? maybe different lug size I didnt look.

Or how about rims off a bread truck they are a C-30 chassis? or P-30? anyways it is a chevy chassis. This was mentioned when I was looking through TDR for options of rims, but was never confirmed.



What options are there for holding a dually spare under the bed, and max size will fit?



I just spent two nights and over 5 hrs, searching TDR found tons of stuff about the 2nd gen trucks and 19. 5 tires, but not to much for dually or 19. 5 for 1st gen, this is why I had to ask.



Jlast

 

[Philip]

The only problem with the aftermarket or other brand is the centering bumps on the Dodge rims. Chevy and Ford do not use them. Their rims are flat on the lug nut area. The Ford I am not sure on the stud size. But the C30 I had used 9/16's studs. Compared to my Dodge using 5/8's.



Now the Chevy lug size is smaller. You might be able to have a machine shop open them up to the Dodge 5/8's. If you decide to go this way. I would recommend you get a set of the plates that GM uses on the later model dually's. This is used to reinforce the rims where the lugs go threw. That is the purpose of the centering bumps of our rims.



Now on the American racing rims I have. When I moved them from the C30 to my W350. I had to make the relief in the back side of the outer dual rims so it would bolt down solid against the inner rim. It is also a pain doing a tire rotation. You have to have the tires unmounted and remounted in the position you want them in. Most dually aftermarket rims do not have the inside of the rims polished.





My toughts on spare tires. If you are not hauling anything heavy. Remember you have two spares on the ground all ready. Just move one of the rears to the front if you have a flat there.



I helped a guy in Tulsa in late Oct. He was setting on the side of I44 with a right front flat. He was in a 91. 5 Dodge dually with a flat steel bed on it. He didn't have a spare with him. He was just getting ready to call a wrecker to have it towed to a tire shop when I pulled in behind him. I asked him if he needed help. He said he didn't have a spare. I told him yes you do. There are two in the rear. So we moved one to the front and away he went without a wrecker bill. Plus we used my 12 volt impact wrench to change it. I also dug out my high lift jack we had the whole right side off the ground. LOL

 

[jlast]

rims

I have thought about aftermarket rims, but no way I could rotate with the unmount and remount just to much work, plus mine is just a work truck nothing to fancy. I had a flat three days ago, did the remove off the rear deal with was not so bad, lots of wrenching though with the stock lug wrench, but it was also 12 degrees and - something windchill that is why I am thinking spare. Love the 12v impact good idea, havent seen them in awhile, where you find a good one?



I was at the local PNP yard and seen a older chevy dually that had the flat mount rims, but also had these approx 1/4" plates that were flat on one side and had the exact same in and out ridges on the other side that my factory rims do, these the plates?



I also could use a good jack, i carried a 3 ton big floor jack and it takes up to much space, I havent seen a factory jack, is it worth a crap? high lift, mmmm I got a couple of those any good on these trucks? any good places to store it somewhat out of the way?



Jlast

 

[Philip]

Those plate you saw at the PNP yard are the ones I am talking about with the flat rims, use them. Or at least GM used them above 73.



When I bought these rims I was converting that 72 C30 from a split rim tire setup to tubeless and radials. This was a full set of rims needed all six. The rims I found in a junkyard was bring $75 each used with no tires. New steel rims from tire shop was $98 each. Do not forget to add a set of lug nuts on top of the price of the rims. I had to change lugs nuts with the steel rims. I bought the American racing rims delivered with caps and lug nuts for $525. This was $25. a rim over the price of the new steel rims, minus the $75 for shipping. But the American racing rims came with lug nuts and center caps. So in the long run it was cheaper to go with the alum rims. They sure improved the ride on the front axle of this truck. Mine is a 11k GVW rig. So it is a rough ride.



Mine didn't have a factory jack so I can't say to much about it. But if it is like the ones used in the 70's to middle 80's. They were about useless. The high lift when I throw it in the truck it goes behind the seat. When ever I am local most of the time I run with it.



I think Sears still lists the 12 volt impacts wrenches. Northern Hyd's used to list one also. I got mine out of a Marlboro catalog. It was in a kit with other road use emg items.



I forgot about the P30 chassis using 19. 5 rims. If you know of a yard with some of those rims in stock. I think I would see if they would let you try a set and see what it would take to convert them to our trucks. No one makes a 19. 5 for the 1st gens. But you might have found a good sub there. The 19. 5's should have a 5/8's stud size. If you go to try one. Let us know what you find out.

 

[jlast]

looking for 19. 5 rims right now, will try my hardest to get them to fit, and pass on any and all information on if I do go through with it. Availablilty and cost before any mods is my only hold up, but I figure with now 46,000 miles on my rig it should last a least another 100,000. If I spend the money now on the 19. 5 rims and tires, it would give me more money to bomb later, instead of buying tires.



WOW, $75 a piece for junkyard dually rims, I just got quoted $12 a piece for any steel rim, at the PNP yard.



Also looking for the 12v impact, I think that is just money very well spent.



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6782&item=2400878719#BID1



These are the rings I saw in the PNP yard, i just bought those.



Jlast

 

[Philip]

In this area anything for dual wheels is expensive. The junk yards do not sell anything cheap that will fit on a wrecker.



That would be nice if the Chevy 19. 5's rims would work. I am coming up needing a set of rubber in the not to distant future. So the step up to them wouldn't be to bad. Plus the American racing rims wouldn't be hard to sell off.

 

[LR Smith]

Check out Southwestern Wheel for stock steel wheels. P/N 129383 is for 93 Dodge dually at $61. 63 brand new. That beats most junkyard prices.

www.SouthwestWheel.com

 

["Mad Max"]

Rim runaround

Fellas,

When I put my dually together I used some rims off a Ford dually, but found the wheel hub centers were bigger than my Dodge hubs, and there were no bumps to center them. I bought a nice set of Eagle alloys, and learned you cannot legally have aluminum inner rear wheels on a dually - have to be steel. So I ordered 4 aluminum rims and found 2 steel Dodge dually rims from the bone yard, I think from a 96 Ram, with the bumbs, and later discovered the aluminum rims won't bolt up flush with the steel rim because of the bumps on the outside of the rim (sheesh... ). Solution, grind off the bumbs on the outside - Now the steel rims center themselves on the hum with the bumps, and the aluminum outers and fronts center on the lugs. Sounds like a lot of thrashin' around, and it was, but the aluminum rims look nice and weigh a lot less.

The spare issue was fixed too - either a front or rear flat can be replaced with a steel spare with bumps - I uh, just haven't found one yet..... so I'm using a regular flat surface rim until a bumpy one is located.

My 2 cents-worth

- Sam