Here I am

Duramax opinions

Attention: TDR Forum Junkies
To the point: Click this link and check out the Front Page News story(ies) where we are tracking the introduction of the 2025 Ram HD trucks.

Thanks, TDR Staff

Voltage questions

Cummins in a dozer. More power

Any one have an opinion on a 2011 chevy duramax? Found a good deal on one with 132,000 miles. Don't know much about them. Anything to look out for?
I'd rather stick with the cummins, but I need a long bed and the Ram crew cab is SO long. This chevy is an extended cab. Wish Ram still made an extended cab.
Don't need any Duramax bashing please, just some educated opinions . I do believe cummins is better, just looking for some help.
Thanks.
 
I had a 2005 Chevy as a work truck. No engine related issues. The front suspension and transmission were a different story. It was back to the dealer 13 times for everything from tie rod ends, steering shafts, cv joints, etc. I used to call it the Shakerado. Add to that a transmission that would go in to limp mode at anything heavier than a bag of feathers, and it didn't make for much of a work vehicle. Can't really compare a 2005 and a 2011 directly, but I didn't have the best of experiences.
 
Any one have an opinion on a 2011 chevy duramax? Found a good deal on one with 132,000 miles. Don't know much about them. Anything to look out for?
I'd rather stick with the cummins, but I need a long bed and the Ram crew cab is SO long. This chevy is an extended cab. Wish Ram still made an extended cab.
Don't need any Duramax bashing please, just some educated opinions . I do believe cummins is better, just looking for some help.
Thanks.

The company I work for has a few of them. All are 2010's with the emissions crap in place. All of them have 168k-177k miles + and are still going strong. FYI... I have spent the last few winters in one of them. The duty cycle is pretty harsh for emissions equipment since I have been required to be stationary for 12-20 hours at a time! The only complaint I have is that I don't really care for the regen strategy. If the DPF is full, it starts to billow the nastiest, thick, white smoke every time it is shifted out of park.

That part always sucked when I was alone and couldn't simply shut down the equipment I was operating. I have another guy helping me at night now and When I get the ding and annoying message on the odometer display, I just tell my helper to take a drive anywhere he wants to go as long as he can keep it at or above 30 mph until the message goes away.

The only 'failures' that I can think of right now are: One snapped a driveline while towing a backhoe and the same truck quit about 5 miles from the gas station after it was filled from 1/8th tank with 85 octane!:eek: Our mechanics just drained out the gasoline, filled with diesel, and spun on a new filter. Issues on all of the others were drivetrain related... IE: One of them puked all of the trans fluid out when a cooling line got ripped out as it ran over a blown tire on the highway! The shop hand just pinned the throttle to the floor until he coasted it into the yard. The damaged line got replaced and transmission was filled with God only knows what fluid! :confused: Oh! I just remembered that it was the same truck I mentioned earlier :-laf This particular unit and ALL of the others suffered from worn suspension parts due to running on mostly dirt roads for many years! This one as been good to my company so far, but I think that it has been thoroughly used up and won't live much longer.

If the price is right, I'd say go for it! However, I would still recommend a Cummins if your intentions are for a dedicated tow rig for heavy RV or for hauling commercially. Many on here have posted close to a million miles and only needed a new driver seat, turbo, injectors, pump, and a couple sets of brakes in the process.
 
I hate chevys with a passion but the duramax seems to be a great engine. Im not impressed with the allison, Im convinced its just a name on a generic trans anymore. We have chevy gassers at work and they are rough riding, noisy, and constantly having front suspension and powertrain issues. The pickup I drive has the 6 liter with 90,000 on it and it sounds like a diesel. The other pickup is the same setup but newer and has 30,000 on it. Sounds just like a diesel too. Im also not a big fan of the interior. People complain about the dodge interiors but I like the dodges better than the chevys.
 
In the event of injection replacement be prepared for more expensive injectors and a book time of 16 hrs vs 4 hrs I believe for ours. Water pumps are tough to get to also.
The tie rod issues are common but aftermarket upgrades are available.
 
You are comparing two of the better diesel trucks out there. Have you looked at a regular cab to solve the length issue? These are dirt cheap used.

I wouldn't run any emission strangled diesel that doesn't use DEF. The older ones used too much EGR to control NOx and plugged the DPF's up way too fast costing lots of fuel to burn them out even when working hard.

We compared them new in 2008. And watched our broker run many of GM's towing 100%.
The Dodge wouldn't STFU over the seat belt - This supposedly is a free country...
The comfort of the seats was like sitting on plywood vs the GM seats.
The passenger side floorpan on the Dodge has an uncomfortable hump in it on the left side.

Historically you can't beat the Allison transmission. Frankly everyone else has had to catch up to it's reliability. The known reputation for Dodge transmissions behind a diesel was deservedly poor at the time, 2008.

Looking back on the decision to go with GM:
RAM/Dodge has completely kicked GM arse around the block with cooling! Frankly GM writes power checks that the cooling system can't cash. The cooling system includes shifting down to a lower gear to rev up the fan and water pump instead of lugging it in double overdrive. IF GM is still using the Obsolete Spring thermal fan clutch vs. the modern Electronically controlled fan clutch like Cummins does... The Obsolete style overheats the AC system as the cold radiator cools the air off before it reaches the fan clutch when you need it the most with a hot cabin. Cooling need is also controlled by letting heat out the exhaust where a turbo with excessive drive pressure or excessively heating the intercooler makes a difference in cooling ability.

Let me put a fork in GM cooling: You know the video of a first gen Dodge leaving a 2005 LLY Duramax in the dust because the Duramax overheated and shut down? Even my modified 6.2 turbo would out run a 2005 Duramax towing Death Valley! Sitting on the side of the road waiting things to not cool down in a survival situation and wanting my proven 6.2 GM diesel (already ran the 6.2 through there towing) because the 6.2 would be moving with the AC on is about the lowest point with a Duramax. Easy to do when the 2005 is on the side of the road with temp gauges in the red. Yeah, over not enough cooling by running the turbo past it's choke point in the tune. Hard to cool anything when the intercooler is like 500 degrees. Many other reasons 2005's had shut down overheat cooling issues. Note year specific the GM 6.5's needed major cooling system mods and would also be burnt up without mods.

Our 2008 Duramax lugged double overdrive towing so badly normal ECT to us was 235. You had to manually downshift on light grades to run sane ECT's. It ruined 250 degree rated oil cooler hoses on an aftermarket oil cooler kit. It cooked the passenger side battery off in 88K miles at 1.5 years old. 110K it split a heater hose. It ruined engine oil due to heat and would get oil so hot we would get shutdown now alarms over less than 9 PSI of oil pressure. GM has likely buffered that alarm since to ignore the condition.

The Fuel filter primer system and lack of a lift pump was always a PIA. No lift pump to fail, but... Join the crowd for "useless" diesel filtration and water separators.

Change a water pump just once on a Duramax. I DARE YOU! :p Yes they don't fail as often, but, when they do it isn't 2 bolts. You pull the engine damper...

Same with the FCA on the CP3. Easier on the Cummins.

GM wiring for HVAC and other things like heated washer fluid is notoriously too small.

Brakes are better on the RAM/Dodge as the GM brakes would get noisy and fade when pushed to the limits on The Grapevine.

How exactly are you supposed to change the driver side headlight bulb? :eek: It involved a saws-all last time I did on this era GM body style due to a support you couldn't get to the bolt on without a major remove most of front clip job.

We had good luck with our 2008's emission system being trouble free. Thus with the comfort, emissions system, and Allison it was a better choice than the 2008 Dodge.

We would deliver parts out of a 28' full height cargo trailer. After pulling a long grade into town the damn thing was always in regen in town. Due to using crazy EGR to keep NOx down even a full power pull wouldn't burn the DPF clean. This is why I recommend the newer DPF emission system that doesn't need so much EGR. Deal on truck or not, well this is why the non-DEF years are so cheap...
 
The 2011 uses urea for emission system and is as reliable as the Ram system started in 2013. There is no cooling issue with this truck as long as it is not pushed far beyond stock. The Allison is frankly better than anything Dodge or Ram has ever produced up until the Aisin (and time will tell on that one but it looks good so far).

I have travelled several long trips with my son in his 2011 Dmax Drw 4x4 and similar weight 5th wheels 38-40' . The truck in my sig and his ran almost identical mileage (literally) and actual power was pretty much dead even in the mountains. IMO you could do much worse than a much improved MY11 DMax. (Don't plow with one and we wont get into the poor front ends )
 
The 2011 uses urea for emission system and is as reliable as the Ram system started in 2013. There is no cooling issue with this truck as long as it is not pushed far beyond stock. The Allison is frankly better than anything Dodge or Ram has ever produced up until the Aisin (and time will tell on that one but it looks good so far).

I have travelled several long trips with my son in his 2011 Dmax Drw 4x4 and similar weight 5th wheels 38-40' . The truck in my sig and his ran almost identical mileage (literally) and actual power was pretty much dead even in the mountains. IMO you could do much worse than a much improved MY11 DMax. (Don't plow with one and we wont get into the poor front ends )

You guys have trouble with snow plugging air filters. We have trouble with GM's ECT on 121 degree days - completely stock. Just saying GM's cooling issues are from ignoring the Phoenix Proving grounds (GM sold them recently.) and thinking Michigan. No don't bother towing some wimpy water tanks, or logs at max trailer weight with the engineering sample trucks. Tow a real wind sail of a toy hauler RV at max weight through Death Valley and then stop and go Phoenix summer traffic.

At least GM figured out how to get R134A to cool down and stopped using the 1970's horrible R4 grenade compressors. Well on some models anyway. Owned and improved the AC on several GM examples of why they deserved a bankruptcy. (2006-2007 Trailblazers for example.)

Unless you have a exceptional AC system R134A gives it up after 105 degrees period. Oddly the extreme over-driven fan on the 2005 Duramax would ice you out with the AC when the engine, transmission, etc. wasn't overheating.
 
Back
Top