Dyno results

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Any of you see the dyno comparo on Jason's Ford Diesel Page? Pretty close. Will be intersting to see what the new 505 version will be like.

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David
1998 3500 QC 4x4 5 speed 4:10

 

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Hi Dave! I read that post on the ford site... gee, I always feel like I have gone into a neanderthal world on some of the posts over there... these Fords and Dodges are pretty darn close in stock form... I know my truck can outpull a lot of rigs when hauling over 10K However, I am not gonna race to burn up a turbo or a piston, I just love the feel of the power I have now and how it P U L L S them hills. #ad


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I went over there to check out those Dyno results and I also saw RamPower's post. Some of those guys seemed to be a bit sensitive. His remarks didn't seem that off base compared to things I've seen in the past. I put my 25 cents worth in over there and hope cooler heads will prevail. Dyno tests are all fine and good, but real world situations are where the strengths of our truck are highlighted and weaknesses are exposed. My biggest gripe about the Ram and this isn't anything new, is that the damn driveline is to weak to handle this monster we have under the hood. The stock numbers on a Cummins uninhibited by Dodge's driveline are incredible. The Ford wouldn't touch it. Oh well, I guess that's what dreams are for.

John

 

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Those guys jumped all over my posts... I have a friend of mine here that owns a 99PSD... he is amazed at the rhetoric of that ford site... make one favorable comment toward the Dodge on their site and you get some nasty comments... My buddy with the PSD knows that when its a heavy load the Cummins will show its strengths... but get a small load on and he can move it better [stock].

SCOTT

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Just got off of the Ford website. Seems the moderator had to close the thread on the Ford vs. Dodge debate. Seems someone on there accused me, Scott and RamPower of being one and the same person. I don't understand that kind of thinking, nor will I attempt to. I've been around this site now for about 5-6 weeks and haven't seen anything like that. Well I was warned. Check out the thread if you want, it's pretty interesting, but there are some highly exciteable folks over there.

John

 

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Went to the ford site to check it out and boy some of thoses guys were upset over the dodge post. It was just one persons observation with the trucks he owned and they went wild. Theres a bunch of guys you wouldn't want to run into in a bar.

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1998 2500HD,reg cab,4x4,auto,4. 10LSD,ISB,trailer tow, boss v-plow,pyro,boost,trans temp gauges,up graded sound system,265/75/16 tires,KC backup lights,SS nerf bars,,forest green and driftwood.

 

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I even got some nasty e-mails but I did get a few nice ones... Sam, you refer to them in a bar... I guess maybe I am feeling a bit upset with the way I was treated over there but I would love to visit their bar. It was just plain ignorant how they replied. I sure see a lot of paranoia there... especially them accusing us of a ploy... LOL Maybe they are hooked up to the net in the bar.

SCOTT

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Ah, let 'em brag. It's only a handfull out of over 2k registered members. The SD is a beautiful truck. We left one at the light on the way home from supper tonight. I turned left and he went straight. I like the huge grill for the most part but sometimes when I see one it looks like a 7,000 lb guppy! I prefer the leaner smooth look of the Dodge. As for the Dyno, who cares. When I raise my hood there's a legend sittin' in there! A Powerstroke may be fast, but a Cummins has class!

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Steve McDaniel
98 ClubCab 12v 5spd 4. 10
97 Stratus
92 Harley Fatboy

 

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Well, I guess I stirred to pot over there and really didn't mean to. I like to gather as much info on all of the trucks as I can. I'm not a rich man and when I plop down quite a few thousand bucks for a new truck I want to know what I'm buying. Also, my last PSD was a 96. I know my 24v Dodge will smoke that truck. I've been hearing that the 99 PSD will smoke the Cummins so I again went to test drive one. It was faster but rolling down the road at 65 then flooring it resulted in about the same power as my 24v. I also like the delivery of power better with the Cummins. The PSD does feel like a hoss though and I'm sure that is why they sell so many. I bought mine to pull horses. I can't go racing around with them on board. I hardly ever floor my Cummins so the same would be true with the PSD. When I pull with them, they appear to me to be very close. The dyno confirmed what I experience. That is all that I was noting.



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David
1998 3500 QC 4x4 5 speed 4:10

 

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Hey Scott and Steve. I saw your posts. Nice job. They are paranoid over there. Their mommas probably sat them in the corner and fed them with slingshots when they were kids. You know the old saying, If you don't have anything good to say about something, keep your mouth shut. Well, other than Dodge owners over there I haven't heard one positive comment about a Dodge truck. I'm so glad I bought a piece of crap of a truck. At least it doesn't look like a guppy! Give me that old big rig look anytime. What can I say, some people's kids.

John

 

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Ahhh... The age old question. .
PSD versus 5. 9 ISB.

(Sounds like a good canidate for MTV'S celeb. deathmatch... LOL. )
My two cents worth... I bought a Diesel truck (98 24v Club) for reasons that had NOTHING TO DO WITH RACING.
If having the fastest . . meanest... worst M. P. G. truck on the road was my goal the word Diesel in any form would never had come to mind.
The benifits of the ISB over the PSD for me were so obvious...
1. A TRUE "Medium Heavy Duty Urban Bus" rating (PSD is Light Heavy Duty).
2. Less parts that could break. (40% less than PSD).
3. No coolant cavitation. (It does TERRIBLE things to cyl. liners).
4. The Cummins/Fleetgaurd service station 1 mile up the road from my home.
5. That great ISB noise that has people stopped next to you at a light rolling up their windows... He-he... (I have even had PSD's do that )
6. The 23 MPG average I get (no B. S. but I don't tow and use the highway a lot. )
7. Who doesn't like the STYLE of the truck our Cummins fits into. ( I said "fits" and not "shoehorned" as with the PSD.
8. TDR... . well... . where else you gonna go for all the info in that magazine??
9. When 200,000 turns over on our odometers where will all those PSD trucks be??
10. Lower service costs for repair. . (I know, we all think nothing will ever break. Not on OUR TRUCK. )
11. Gas versus Diesel prices... (and in an emergency can a Gas engine burn Home Heating oil. . or Kerosine... or JET A... Or Military Fuels. . or ect. . ect. . )

And last but not least, the answer to my wife's question. . "How Much Does I Cost??"
Lots less than the PSD.

Conclusion for me... Better for Less Money... NO BRAINER!

Thanks for the attention.

 

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Hey,<br>Is it really nice to go over to the Ford site, talk about your Dodge, stir the pot including calling the Ford downright ugly and then come over here and make snickering post about how bad you were treated?<br>Remember, unless Ford owners are members ot TDR they can't come over here to turn our cranks. I hope this kind of stuff is minimal as it is a waste of energy. <br>If you want to read about Fords... go read about them... . but leave those fellas alone. They like their trucks!<br>Ron

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I would like to second Ron Duncan's comments.
I believe in letting a sleeping dog lay. I like my Cummins but wish it were as quite as the PSD.

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Paul Somers
1999 QC ISB 5 speed with
boost and pyro gauges.
Driftwood

 

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Maybe I should clarify why I was over there... there was a post on dyno comparisons on both the Cummins and the PSD... I have a friend that owns a 99'PSD that has no access to a puter and we went to have a look... my postings there were from years of experience with Cummins and Ford diesels and his experience too. We merely shared what over 10 years and over 20 trucks worth of experienced has netted us... then they jumped on us... My friend was there because he owns a PSD and has owned a few Cummins and several Fords over the years... and myself owning several for business... we felt sharing the info of our experiences from the point of view of my friend [biased to Fords] and my knowledge [Cummins preferred] would show that no matter how long the debate goes on... both of these trucks show very close merits for ownership... I have never bought any of my diesels for racing... all for pulling and thats what I conveyed there. My friend was quick to agree that the set-up I use out-pulls his PSD once we get up over the 10,000lb range... and his PSD can leave me a few lengths behind with lighter loads.

SCOTT

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I was surprised with the results of two towing tests in Trailer Life rag this month. They tested a 99 2500 Dodge Cummins 6spd with 4. 10 ratio towing a 13,040 lb 5th wheel. They also tested a new Ford Excursion with a Powerstroke and auto/3. 73 ratio towing a 9,790 lb travel trailer. The Ram pulled the 5th wheel from 0-60mph in 37. 3 seconds. The Excursion pulled the lighter travel trailer 0-60 in 35. 3 seconds. With an automatic. No lost time shifting. I honestly thought the Powerstroke had the performance advantage towing or solo. Fuel consumption was alittle worse with the Powerstroke towing a lighter trailer with a lower profile and less wind resistance. I don't see any advantage here with the big V8 over the much smaller 6cyl. I like my Cummins. Now I like it even more!

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Steve McDaniel
98 ClubCab 12v 5spd 4. 10
97 Stratus
92 Harley Fatboy

 

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Steve,
I agree. The Fords are nice, but not nice enough.
That's why I think Dodge Cummins guys should leave the Ford guys alone. You gotta kind a feel for someone who spent over 30k for a truck and made the wrong choice!
They got enough problems without rubbing it in... ... .....
Peace,
Ron

 

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I posted over there on the dyno results thread. A higher revving engine such as the PSD should be quicker than the Cummins, but what they forget(?!) is that our engine is rated up to loads of 66000 lbs. The PSD - 33000. That says it all right there and if anybody wants to argue or twist this little fact they would earn style points however there would be no basis in reality. We got the better engine in our trucks. We also got a pretty decent truck wrapped around that engine contrary to what others say. I've owned 2 Dodge trucks, my current 24V 3500 and a 1995 1500 5. 2L. I've never had any major problems with either truck. That tells me I/we drive some well made trucks. I've heard of minor problems and major problems, but most everybody I've come across has nothing but good things to say about Dodge trucks. While not surprised at their reaction, I am surprised that across the board they think the Dodge is a piece of s&*@! wrapped around a Cummins powerplant. I don't like Ford trucks, but I don't think they're junk, either.

 

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Well the Phord boys dont like anything to invade that world over there. I poasted awhile back about some comments made to me while getting fuel on vacation. None of them were nice form PS owners, except for the PS owner we camped with. He had a pretty nice truck but I like mine better and he liked his better. I guess if I owned a Phord (never happen) I would like it more than a Dodge, after all that is what I would be making payments on so I would have to like it. My point is that there are a lot of brand loyal people on the Phord site that have been taught that Dodge was junk and no matter what they won't change that attitude. Well a long time ago maby they were but not any more. But you will never convince the Phord people of that. I mean look most of them spell Dodge as D**** Like a swear word. I say let them have the site I go over there and read but never post because it is to hard to not offend them. All teey have to know is you LOOKED at a Dodge and there all over you. So I'll let the Ph*** boys beleave what they beleave.

 

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I'd just like to say to all my friends here on this site, that I don't think Dodge has ever made junk. My 92 is my 3rd Dodge truck and they've all been tough as nails. I still own and use my first Dodge. A 74 SnoCommander factory equipt with a Meyer snowplow, 318ci and over 200k. Most all these miles are winter miles plowing snow(just think of all the extra miles going backwards while plowing). Once while RAMMING a wind packed snow drift I broke the entire blade of the plow off the A-frame and drove over it. Please, don't get me wrong. My next Dodge is going to be a 97 or 98 club cab (Cummins of course). I just still love the older trucks to.

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92 Dodge LE, Cummins, reg cab,4X4,3:54 gears, Auto, Black/w Maroon Int.

 

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I had a post yesterday that generated some(not much, but some) discussion on the overall applications the Dodge and PS engines are rated for: Dodge-66000, PS-35000.
There was some questions as to where I got the numbers, so I posted a response this morning. I wasn't inflammatory or trying to instigate any trouble, I just wanted to give those guys an accurate source of information, regardless of how they felt about it. I got an e-mail from Jason this afternoon telling me that I shouldn't be posting Dodge stuff to the Ford forums. I could understand his point if what I was posting was inflammatory, but I was responding to a post which was a response to a post that I got involved with. (say that 3 times real fast). I got on this evening to tell those guys why I posted where I did and guess what. The post never made it. Everybody that will post on this site and all of you that thought Rob was selling out and would control what you said because a price was put on membership here, need to think about what they did over there. I'm not really sure what kind of reaction I'll get to all of this and I'm not going to lose sleep over it, but I haven't seen a Ford guy banned from this site by just trying to give factual information. Check my post out and tell me if I was inflammatory. I've got an open mind. Oh, well. I'm glad I bought a Dodge because you guys seem a lot more open to differing opinions than that site. I won't be over there anymore. It's to bad, too because I enjoyed the info I was getting over there.

John



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1999 Flame Red Dodge 3500 QC 5 spd 4:10 Rammin' and runnin' the roads