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Hey, guys,



I have an appointment, Tuesday, to go to ATS in Arvada, CO and have some gauges installed on my 07. 5 6. 7 Turbodiesel.



They're about 2 hours from where I live, and they did a great job installing a beefed-up transmission and some other goodies on the '97 12-valve I traded two years ago.



I'm going to do the same 3-gauge install on my A-Pillar that I did on my '97.



Couple of questions: 1) My '07 has a handle built into the A-Pillar shroud, and I'm wondering if this handle has to "go-away" in order for the new ATS 3-pod install to be done. In the old Ram, they replaced the A-Pillar cover with a new one that had molded pods for the gauges; the new plastic cover was painted to match the factory colors inside the truck, and it was a neat installation. Has anybody else had this new-generation A-Pillar, gauge-kit install done, and -- if so -- did you lose the driver's-side A-Pillar handle?



2) I'm considering buying ATS' "programmer," the "E-power" that adjusts timing/fueling, etc.



There are probably a dozen similar products out there, including Bullydog, Quadzilla, Dr. Performance, Smarty, Edge, Superchips, and more. It's hard to know which one delivers the best performance and value.



My two reasons for buying the programmer are 1) fuel savings and 2) a little more low-end "oomph" for hauling my RV in these mountains. I will never use the "performance" settings (famous last words), but I'd appreciate the slight advancement in timing.



The ATS sales guy told me to expect 1. 5-2. 0 mpg improvement, with the "tow-setting," and that would be cost-effective. The price of diesel in the Roaring Fork Valley (near Aspen) was $3. 59 last night. This has got to be one of the most expensive places in the US to buy fuel. I'm currently getting about 16 mpg in a rural driving situation, and not a whole lot better on interstate I-70 -- maybe 17 mpg if I'm luck, there's no headwind, and I keep the truck at around 60 mph.



I would appreciate any input from guys with programmers, especially anybody who knows about the ATS version, the "E-power. "



The ATS salesman also told me that I wouldn't have to worry about clogging the DPF (I've never had a problem with my emissions, since I do very little "in-town" driving), as long as I stayed in the "Tow/Economy" setting. He also told me that the "E-power" leaves a smaller electronic "footprint" than most programmers, and that techs at my dealership would be less likely to tell that I'd done a download, although, "Anybody who's skilled enough, and looks closely enough, could see that you'd used one... "



I'm concerned about warranty issues, because I bought Chrysler's 100,000 mile extended warranty.



Thanks for all comments.
 
I have three gauges in an A-Pillar mount. Yes, you do lose the handle. My mount is the molded, color matched one and I was guess you will get the same.



As for the programmer, I would stay far away from that especially if you have a Chrysler extended warranty. The best comment I have seen about the turbo clogging is that it is not a matter of if, but when you will need the service. Even with your heavy use, I would be hesitant.
 
Thanks for the response.

This is what I was afraid of, and will probably not go with the programmer. I have a good relationship with my local dealership, so I probably wouldn't have a problem with warranty work, unless there was really obvious evidence of my abusing the truck, but -- still -- it makes me nervous.

The only thing that got me leaning toward going with a downloader was the ATS assertion that the lowest setting "doesn't increase the fueling rate," but only advances the timing a little.

The sales guy said, "In fact, you'll get a cleaner burn of the fuel you are using, and, so, should be less likely to clog the DPF. "

It's hard to know who to trust, but ATS has always been very good to me, and they've been willing to go the extra mile whenever there's been an issue.
 
I believe that to reduce combustion temperatures in order to reduce NOX the timing of the injection has been retarded a bit. Since it's a multiple event injection cycle it's a bit complicated, but I think the net effect of that and cooled EGR is to increase the amount of particulates in the exhaust.



I suspect that ATS may be right, but the issue of warantee is a big one. When my warantee expires I will probably pull off the DPF, block the EGR, and install something like the E programmer to improve efficiency.



In the meantime, I'm going to stay with what I've got. So far, I haven't had any issues with the truck. The more time that passes, the issues with both the emissions system and after market devices will be better understood. Hopefully, by the time my warantee expires we will be to that stage of knowledge.
 
I'm not putting any chips, programmers, or anything on my truck until the warranty is up... . if ever. Mine works great stock and 650lbs of torque is enough for me. Can't imagine the extra 200+ pounds of tq those programmers offer come free of charge--either you'll burn more fuel, mess up an already ridiculously complicated emissions and ECM system or put more stress on the engine. There is no free lunch.



Mine ain't broke, so I ain't gonna fix it. :D



One time I had a great truck and then I ruined it with aftermarket modifications. I'll never make that mistake again. :mad:
 
Yooper,

Hard to fault your logic, buddy.

I installed a bunch of stuff on my truck with ATS (my '97), and was very pleased with the results; never had a problem, and their new products made the truck much more useful to own.

My input shaft failed after 50,000 miles, and they towed the truck 150 miles, replaced the shaft, and didn't charge me a dime for labor or towing.

When one of their guys tells me that the lowest setting won't add fueling -- just advances the timing -- and that they've put dozens in the field without incident, I tend to believe that statement. I'm still torn about it, but will sleep on the decision, tonight, and decide what I'm going to do on the way to Denver, tomorrow. I'm going to get the gauges installed, anyway...

Thanks to everyone for taking the time to comment.
 
The 6. 7 is a very complex system... ... ... . I doubt many if any of the aftermarket programmers have done enough testing/real world miles to know how the long term results will pan out. As I am sure you have been watching the 6. 7 forums and have seen how many flashes the oem has come out with to correct issues that they did not predict.

When you change 1 parameter you must change others to make it all work. Even putting on a more eficient intercooler will give less than desirable results due to this pkg needing higher egt's to operate correctly.



Good luck with your decision



Bob
 
:--) My goodness! Where does it end? First Obama gets elected and now Bob is telling someone not to bomb their truck!! AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!



Where does it end?:-laf



Sam(Hi Bob)
 
It will end at the dealer and a $5000. 00 bill for a new DPF. Obama will just raise our fuel costs with a BS tax that will get a new name. (The Energy Rescue Plan) :-laf :-laf :-laf :-laf :-laf and a little time latter :{ :{ :{ :{ :{.
 
I'm not putting any chips, programmers, or anything on my truck until the warranty is up... . if ever. Mine works great stock and 650lbs of torque is enough for me. Can't imagine the extra 200+ pounds of tq those programmers offer come free of charge--either you'll burn more fuel, mess up an already ridiculously complicated emissions and ECM system or put more stress on the engine. There is no free lunch.



Mine ain't broke, so I ain't gonna fix it. :D



One time I had a great truck and then I ruined it with aftermarket modifications. I'll never make that mistake again. :mad:



Yooper, How did you ruin it with after market mods? By the way, where are you from? My wife is from Menominee, Mi.
 
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