E3 Fuel additive and fuel efficiency

[DieselFiend]

Hey all, check out this website. Claims that the additive will raise fuel efficiency by one third in diesel engines and gas engines.

E3 Fuel Science Research Inc.



Has anyone heard of this? Has anyone tried it and if so, does it really work?

 

[jelag]

There are several testing labs that are available that have the ability to run some standard SAE tests... . These labs do charge a fee for their services but do these types of tests under very controlled conditions... I see none of those testing labs listed... .

So in my mind... . they don't perform as advertised... .

 

[MMeier]

10-30% increase in MPG!!

 

[DieselFiend]

The CEO was on the news here locally just the other day. Claims that it's some kind of fuel catalyst.

 

[jelag]

Guys... assume for a second that his facts were true... . don't you think that every large fleet... UPS, ABF freight, BNSF, Union Pacific, Swift Trucking, Gordon Trucking, these guys who burn a few thousand gallons a day would be using the product... and every driver would be telling every other driver on the CB and in the truck stops that this stuff works.....

Your not hearing that... . because it not happening.....

Fuel economy is a physics formula... you can't pack 10% more fuel economy into a gallon of diesel because it only has so many BTU's of energy... .

 

[rbattelle]

Guys... assume for a second that his facts were true... . don't you think that every large fleet... UPS, ABF freight, BNSF, Union Pacific, Swift Trucking, Gordon Trucking, these guys who burn a few thousand gallons a day would be using the product... and every driver would be telling every other driver on the CB and in the truck stops that this stuff works.....



Your not hearing that... . because it not happening.....



Fuel economy is a physics formula... you can't pack 10% more fuel economy into a gallon of diesel because it only has so many BTU's of energy... .

Amen! As fuel prices increase, the number of these scams we hear will continue to rise.



Seems like the word "catalyst" carries with it some wizardry with these companies.



Why is there no technical information on the website? What effects does it have on octane rating? Cetane rating? There's no science here, only "magic". Show me a journal paper that discusses the additive, it's effects, and it's benefits, and then let me make an educated decision.



Ryan

 

[Regcabguy]

Ask them for a thirty day free trial...

 

[DPellegrin]

Gentlemen- A few years ago a couple of Chevron engineers wrote a SAE Tech paper on the subject of energy balance and thermal efficiency of a diesel engine. In this research they determined that a diesel engine burns (oxidizes) about 99. 93% of the fuel that is injected. That means that 0. 07% of the products of combustion (exhaust) have heating value and could theoretically be used if combustion were perfect to do work on the piston. So, anyone telling you that they have a fuel addtitive that improves fuel economy by any percent needs to explain how their "snake oil" allows the engine to violate the laws of thermodynamics!

 

[DieselFiend]

On the contrary, if I were the CEO of that company and I had something that really worked, in these times of high fuel prices, I'd be keeping my formula an extremely tight secret. I think we'll be hearing more about this stuff as more becomes available.

Also, I highly disagree with the alleged fact that the diesel engine burns 99. 93 percent of the fuel. If that were the case our trucks would never smoke.

 

[rbattelle]

Also, I highly disagree with the alleged fact that the diesel engine burns 99. 93 percent of the fuel. If that were the case our trucks would never smoke.

They don't - under normal conditions. They only smoke when a fuel-rich condition occurs, which is abnormal.



Nevertheless, the "99. 93%" number is a little confusing to me. It depends on how you define "burns". Is that 99. 93% undergoes complete combustion, or 99. 93% undergoes some combustion, with 0. 07% being completely unburned?



But that's really beside the point. Dieselfiend, if you're convinced there's good science behind this stuff, then by all means give it a try! I guarantee you'll see an improvement in fuel economy - either because the stuff works or because you'll (consciously or subconsciously) drive differently after adding it.



Ryan

 

[AMcCormick]

Doesnt propane act as a "cataylst" by burning more fuel in the combustion process? If anything increased mpg by 10-30% that would be sweet. Lots of addititives out there not too sure how many of them do anything. I would think that they help clean things out resulting in slightly more efficient fueling?

 

[Jeremiah]

Doesnt propane act as a "cataylst" by burning more fuel in the combustion process? If anything increased mpg by 10-30% that would be sweet. Lots of addititives out there not too sure how many of them do anything. I would think that they help clean things out resulting in slightly more efficient fueling?

You may be thinking of methanol injection, in which case Matt Snow of Snow Performance in Woodland Park, Colo. would be the place to check this out.

 

[DieselFiend]

I would go on and try it if he were selling in smaller quantities. Right now he's only selling bulk to fuel stations it looks like.

 

[DPellegrin]

rbattelle- 0. 07% means that when you look at the energy balance of a diesel engine, some of the fuel's energy shows up in mechanical work on the crankshaft, some as heat in the exhaust, some as heat in the coolant, some as heat radiated off the block and some of the fuel's energy is in the exhaust constituents unburned and has heating value. This is, according to Chevron, 0. 07% of the total fuel flow to the engine. DieselFiend is correct, smoke is unburned fuel. But when considered as part of the total fuel flow of the engine "normal smoke" represents a very low percentage.



BTW the SAE Technical paper was published by Chevron engineers in the early 1990s. I do not think the diesel combustion cycle has changed since then.



Regards