Eco Diesel done after January

[CToney]

No more new Ecodiesel to be built after January. My 2017 is getting up in miles thought I would maybe upgrade in 23 but I guess that will be a no go. I guess shopping for a 2500 will be the plan.

 

[06 Dodge]

Funny that they are only stopping it in the 1500 trucks but keeping it in the SUV's

 

[EDankievitch]

I think all the manufactures are being pressured into dropping diesels in the 1/2 ton trucks and to build electric. Ford dropped the diesel in 2021. Now Ram I’m sure GMC will soon follow.

 

[CToney]

No doubt the push to lower corporate emissions will dictate what happens. 1/2 ton Diesels are popular amongst farmers here but many others are getting tired of high diesel prices. Often 40-50 cents per liter higher

 

[gtwitch]

After reading about the discontinuation of the ECO and the incoming of an Electric version of the 1500, all that I can say is "Why would anyone in their right mind buy an Electric truck or even a Hybrid", when the cost of a replacement battery for these vehicles will cost in the range of $20,000 to $26,000. These figures are coming from reliable sources. 15 years ago a friend of mine had a Prius (early production) and when the battery was failing, his option was $8900 for a battery or scrap it and he had to pay a battery disposal fee! The move to "Electrify American Transportation" is not being thought out in advance as there is not the infrastructure in place to support it and even when it is there the time involved to charge the battery on a trip is not even in the ball park when I can stop at a truck stop and fill my 25 gal tank with gas or diesel in 12 min and use the rest room and buy a soft drink and be back on the road in another 12 min and to completely charge an EV battery will take at least 30 to 40 min to go another 200 miles and my gas or diesel vehicle will go 400 miles until I have to spend another short time at a truck stop to fill up.. Well I guess we will see how this goes for the next 10 years and how the driving public feels about then and as a retired electrical engineer, I will stay with my RAM diesel trucks as long as possible and as we can see, Diesel Fuel still runs all things associated with freight movement in America (Trucks, Trains, Boats and Airplanes) and I don't think that will change any time in the 10 year near future.
gtwitch in wyoming

 

[sag2]

Fortunately most manufacturers have a battery warranty of 10 years or longer, just for the reason you described. The industry is pretty much being forced to go electric, and eventually diesel and gas prices will just keep rising so it will also move along the transition to battery. Hybrid still looks to be the best option over EV.

 

[gtwitch]

sag2 unfortunately here in Wyoming the charging infrastructure is not nor will it be in place for another 10 years and if you look at a map of wyoming you and anyone else can see that charging facilities are few and very far between so the Hybrid might be the only way to get there. If for example, you need to go from Cheyenne Wy to Ogden Ut which I can drive in my16 Ram 2500 the 600+ miles on 1 fill up of 18 gal fuel and will take 5.5 hours , Take a Ford EV 1/2 ton and you will be 8+ hours getting there and the cost of that electricity will be in excess by 25% at a charging station of the current diesel fuel cost. So where do you think this is all going in the future. I know that Wyoming is an anomaly,
but I have and want to live here, so I'm still a Diesel fan at my 18 mpg even at $4/gal! By the way , I always look forward to your valuable input here on TDR, Thanks sag2 for your knowledge and willingness to share it with us!!!
gtwitch in wyoming

 

[Ozymandias]

sag2 unfortunately here in Wyoming the charging infrastructure is not nor will it be in place for another 10 years and if you look at a map of wyoming you and anyone else can see that charging facilities are few and very far between so the Hybrid might be the only way to get there. If for example, you need to go from Cheyenne Wy to Ogden Ut which I can drive in my16 Ram 2500 the 600+ miles on 1 fill up of 18 gal fuel and will take 5.5 hours , Take a Ford EV 1/2 ton and you will be 8+ hours getting there and the cost of that electricity will be in excess by 25% at a charging station of the current diesel fuel cost. So where do you think this is all going in the future. I know that Wyoming is an anomaly,
but I have and want to live here, so I'm still a Diesel fan at my 18 mpg even at $4/gal! By the way , I always look forward to your valuable input here on TDR, Thanks sag2 for your knowledge and willingness to share it with us!!!
gtwitch in wyoming

How about doin that in a TESLA? I know that their proprietary charger network is pretty well laid out.
TESLA would be the only EV for me to even think about going electric - exactly because they give you the Car and the Chargers, which is unique. Every other manufacturer leaves it to the customer to search for a charger.... which is a no-go for me.

 

[sag2]

Boy, I wish diesel was $4 here. We are still just a bit over $6. The feds have negotiated a deal with Tesla to open some of their charging stations to other makes in the near future. The electrics have already gained acceptance on the coasts, but pretty scarce in the central part of the country outside of the very large cities. I think they are going to find it difficult to push the nation into EV's.

 

[Timd32]

Any reason they would even consider a true 5th Gen HD if only 7 model years from the end of IC stuff?

Watched some dumb video today from a dealer of sorts still comparing the 5th Gen 1500 to the 4.5 HD, can they even do a HD with that flat floor set up?

Maybe just end it now and ride these out to the sunset with the current cab and frames?

 

[gtwitch]

I don't think Tesla has a pick up yet and I not have heard that thy are even planning one yet but Wyoming is still in the dark about things like that!!

 

[Ozymandias]

I just looked it up, nine Supercharger locations in Wyoming, nicely spread out along the main highways. Not to shabby.

 

[crispyboy]

Diesel is $1.50 more per gallon than regular gasoline here in Kentucky. You will still have to pry the steering wheel from my hands in order to get me in an electric vehicle. I would probably not be so opposed if the powers at be were not shoving this down our throats.

 

[gtwitch]

OZy look at the shortest way from Cheyenne to Afton/Star Valley or Cheyenne to Yellowstone and you will see there are not very major highways even go there there is only I- 80 across southern WY , I-25 in the east and I-90 across some of the north , all of the other non major roads will go through small towns with populations of from less than 1000 to maybe 8000 folks living there. The EV looks like nor really a good choice yet and we still have an average of 19 days each winter that the temperature never gets above 0*F.
Respectfully submitted , gtwitch in wyoming

 

[CToney]

EVs make sense in Urban areas with short trips. ICE vehicles pollute the most until they get up to operating temperature. EVs also should be used in warmer climates first before cold ones. Batteries lose effectiveness in lower temps. Necessity is the mother of invention. Whatever short comings EVs have they will get sorted out. Time will tell. I can just imagine the old timers when the first truck/tractor showed up on the farm. Short use machines like skid steers and utility tractors should be electric as well. More emissions would be reduced. Logic won’t be used in the transition.

 

[Blue Mule]

Funny that they are only stopping it in the 1500 trucks but keeping it in the SUV's

Which SUVs use the Gen 3 EcoDiesel?

Jeep and Ram have both announced the discontinuation of the engine. I wasn't aware of any other vehicles using it.

With diesel at $2/gallon more across most of the nation, a very high rate/cost of warranty repairs on diesels, and a new corporate owner that is hellbent on pushing EV tech, it's no surprise the Gen 3 engine is toast.

The HD pickup market will be interesting to watch. Ford knows the allure of diesel is waning, which is why they've release not one but TWO new gas engines in the last 24 months.

 

[Ozymandias]

I'm not aware that they stop selling Jeep Diesels in Europe.
No Diesel - No sales here.

 

[bcbender]

Only the US is anti diesel, mostly due to misinformation, political games, and some irresponsible owners.

 

[Tuesdak]

Only the US is anti diesel, mostly due to misinformation, political games, and some irresponsible owners.

Due credit is due to Oldsmobile then GM for ruining the Diesel market. Thanks for putting the Lemon Laws on the books GM. So Ford’s 6.0L didn’t have too. Absolutely won’t use even a GM electric flashlight from their automotive/ pickup division.

ICE stomped electric vehicles back in the day. Simply: Low bidder.

Because of that we are one of the top three countries for oil. One of the other top three countries be under an embargo. Their low prices on oil is only going to survive an embargo so long before our desperate friends stab the embargo in the back.

Even when electric vehicles make sense: we are shutting down power generation. Coal plant here was too expensive for the next “Glowing Government Report” on emissions reduction. Our Global competition uses a Tire Fire to start a recycling process. Playing field ain’t level.

None of these problems are being solved. When the “PAIN” gets high enough like can’t afford fuel or get electricity to put food on table… Maybe then we will get solutions aside of the “Divided We Fall.” that Other Countries enjoy and encourage The USA to do.

 

[bcbender]

As Forest says Stupid is as Stupid does (LOL)..

There are plenty of examples of engines that were / are subpar like those you mentioned both gas and diesel (olds were pretty bad). I think this is another "follow the money" thing, plenty of efficient gas and diesel options out there, elec makes sense in urban short drive cycle and local delivery, but we are never going to get anywhere with this non-stop bickering and a one size fits all mentality. Elec truck for farmer in WY is not going to work any better than a Diesel sedan in NYC. I for one would welcome an honest discussion about oil (energy) usage for the total cycle (removal from the ground to emitted in the air). We did those studies decades ago and tail pipe emissions are a small percentage of a vehicle's carbon footprint, many other sources that are being totally ignored (including as you mentioned "clean car fuel" from the mines of WV).

JM2C,... I'm keeping my RAM and looking for another Jetta TDI, wish I hadn't sold my old one as it was 50+ mpg....