Edge Juice instead of Smarty ?'s

[JCasper]

I have kind of come to the conclusion that my truck is going to stay close to stock at least for now. I want a great towing vehicle and that's kind of where it is at right now except for all the smoke. I like being able to smoke when I want it to, but not during every acceleration.



Those of you with the Edge juice on your 04. 5 and up, what's the good and the bad?



I like the fact that it is a gauge package all in one, but I think I would miss some of the TM options.

 

[WCPoe]

Juice vs Smarty

JCasper - I have both. I started with an EDGE EZ pressure box then stepped up the the EDGE Juice, then upgraded the Juice to the "HOT" version, then purchased a Smarty.

The EZ pressure box works equally well with either the Juice or the Smarty by providing the extra pressure which neither the 2004. 5 Juice or the earlier Smarty software provide. I believe Marco is nearly ready to release the rail pressure software for the Smarty's.

That said - Both the Hot Juice and the Smarty provide plenty of power and can provide a great smoke show. The Juice has the "on the fly" adjustability which is convenient and the Smarty really provides the best bottom end instant spool response, however, the Smarty can be almost too smokey for most of my in town driving, (Atlanta traffic). I usually like to load the Smarty for my excursions outside the Atlanta area and I stick with the Juice around town because of the "on the fly" adjustability. Trying to pull a load with either unit turned up makes those behind me mad. Not the best thing to do.

I can't say that I can get the Smarty and Juice to work very well together. Others have said the Smarty just confuses the Juice's programming, so I don't use them simultaneously. It may be I'm just running my rail dry.

Alternatively, once the Smarty is loaded, especially on the higher levels it does smoke fairly significantly with anything over light throttle input. I think Marco has some lower smoke beta software available but I haven't gotten around to acquire and test. I need to give Bob Wagner a call and give it a try.

The Hot Juice on the other hand works better for me right now but I still want to try the TST box with the rail pressure and r/p readout. The Juice on occasions has set a couple codes, nothing serious, just a P2146 and P2149 - low voltage to the injectors, which can be cleared with a code reader or even the Smarty. These two codes have happened to others as well, it's like the Juice gets confused sometimes because mines always performed well. I just can't justify any more expense until I get my lift pump upgraded.

Also, If you're near stock, you'll have to limit your fueling level less you risk broken parts. Anyway, I've rambled on way too long. Hope this helps somewhat.

Bill

 

[MStrain]

Well, the Smarty is probably the best tuner out there, it provides tons of power and fun, guaranteed huge grin on your face. The Edge is good too, but you have to plug in abunch of stuff under the hood and on the engine, and run wires into the cab, when you take the truck in for warranty repairs you will be having to take off everything and put it back on, major PIA. The Smarty is less hassle, plug it in, download, and your done. My brother is selling his Smarty because we live in LA and its hard to drive around town blowing clouds of black smoke and having to be careful not to black out an intersection. He just bought it about three months ago and it is like new with the most current software.

 

[Sean Flanagan]

I currently have both. Right now I have the Smarty back to stock and sitting on the shelf with the latest Edge Juice with Attitude installed in my '07 5. 9. I originally bought the Smarty because, at that time, it was the only power enhancement available for my year truck.



In my opinion, If you tow in a place with hills, the Edge with Attitude is the way to go. The Edge with Attitude will depower smoothly back to the stock power level if the your EGT, Boost, transmission Temp, transmission Slip. . etc go beyond setpoints that you can set. The TST box also has a similar setup. Without this feature, towing up hills is tricky because you are constantly having to watch the EGT gauge to keep the exhaust temperature out of the melt down zone. Also, for me the Edge makes very little smoke while if you aren't careful with the Smarty, you can fill a whole intersection with black soot. I personally don't like the smoke.



However, the Smarty makes considerably more power, that is instant and huge. The Smarty is way more fun just for sporting around without any trailer in tow.

 

[DMarkle]

You guys add any 2 stroke oil and Boost to your fuel? I've started this (2 stroke specifically - 12 oz per tank) and my smoke has reduced significantly. I do not have a Smarty though, so maybe my experience is still in the "limited" bucket.



Would be interesting to know if your smoke levels are reduced with the Smarty and any additives to your fuel ...

 

[JCasper]

You guys add any 2 stroke oil and Boost to your fuel? I've started this (2 stroke specifically - 12 oz per tank) and my smoke has reduced significantly. I do not have a Smarty though, so maybe my experience is still in the "limited" bucket.



Would be interesting to know if your smoke levels are reduced with the Smarty and any additives to your fuel ...

The Smarty smokes, there is NO way around it.

 

[johncameron]

The Smarty smokes, there is NO way around it.

Yes there is, control your right foot:-laf

 

[d90boy]

I run with the smarty on 30hp, stock TQM, and the TST on 1 with 3 degrees and it's hard to drive with little smoke. It's almost like the smoke is put there for show. I think some of it is related to how the smarty ramps up the throttle quicker than the stock program, a feature I would like to remove.

 

[231jasonS]

I have yet to try a smarty, but i did have an BDDL and although the power was great (see transmission upgades) it was a little destructive.



My Edge has been very nice. User friendly when the dumb A2 works right. I like the adjust on the fly and the back down settings for tranns/boost/EGT and the turbo cooldown, and the 12 different guages, and the alerts and the boost fooling and the TOM TOM and the back up camera... ... all that stuff

 

[Buddy's Ram]

I had the Juice and an A2. I now have the Smarty and the A2 and Juice are lying on the floor. I like the Smarty much better and the smoke on mild torque and level 3 is easily managed. The A2 and Juice totaly wiped out the receiver of my 2 meter Ham radio. No trouble from the Smarty.