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I have a younger friend who was a Dodge dealer mechanic back in 2002 or 2003 when I met him. He has been my personal mechanic since I met him doing all of my maintenance and repairs nights and weekends. He helped keep me rolling without any downtime for 400k miles when I was transporting RVs.

He has not worked on the ISB6. 7 engines because he left the Dodge dealership several years ago but has a good friend who specializes in ISB6. 7s at the same dealership.

Last Sunday both of them came out to my farmhouse and serviced my truck. The dealer tech removed the EGR and EGR cooler from my truck and performed the authorized Dodge cleaning routine. He was impressed with the cleanliness and explained.

My EGR and cooler had a very light coating of soot like the inside of the tailpipe on an ISB5. 9. He cleaned them with the Dodge cleaning compound which he said he thought was nothing but repackaged Dial soap. Both looked like new metal when he finished.

He has performed a hunded or more similar services on ISB6. 7 engines, mostly in city-driven pickups. He said he has seen some with as few as 30,000 miles with the EGR valve completely full of soot with the valve stuck so that it would not open or close.

The tech talked of how they can easily determine how the owner uses/drives their trucks by reading out the duty cycle parameters from the ECM. He chuckled about how many owners lie and deny ever idling their trucks while he reads 20% idle in their ECM data. He can also read the percentage of time the engine is operated at power levels between 10% and 100% so he knows if the truck is used as a commuter car.

My truck is, of course, a C&C which is not as heavily burdened with federally mandated (read by liberal wackos) with smog crap as pickups but according to this experienced and knowledgeable lead diesel tech at a Dodge dealer, drive cycle is the reason some Dodge Rams w/Cummins ISB6. 7 engines are trouble free and some are frequently being returned to dealer service departments with emissions-related problems.

This dealer tech has the firmly held opinion that many people who are driving these Dodges should not have purchased one. It is, according to him, a completely inappropriate vehicle for city commuting. It is a diesel-powered truck capable of towing or hauling heavy loads, efficiently and reliably for hundreds of thousands of miles. It is not an appropriate vehicle for commuting to and from work and the grocery store.

I live ten miles outside of a small rural community along a busy highway so when I start my truck it is driven at least 20 miles at highway speed including across a steep canyon which requires some use of power to climb out. This short trip is sufficient to bring it up to operating temperature. I pull trailers frequently with it but also frequently allow it to idle for periods of a few minutes.

My truck has been completely trouble-free for over 70,000 miles.
 
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Harvey... .

I have to agree with your tech, but if the Ram name is to continue a group of the drivers will use these trucks for daily drivers... as with the gas engines in the 70's and later 80's the manufactures made a lot of changes to keep the vehicles usable... during those times I worked with several wheat farmers who used to remove their exhaust and run it up and out the side of the bed to keep all that heat away from the stubble in the fields... they later learned how to deal with the catalytic converter and its use...

I'm sure as we see these trucks in the next couple of years they will have refined the systems to function better...
 
Harvey,

You know, the more we get to know how these systems work, the better in the long run. How many miles was on your truck when you did the cleaning? I only have 6500 now. I do use it for commuting as it is my only vehicle. My wife drives a small SUV. I tow a trailer in the summer recreationally and when I do drive to work, about 10 miles of the 13 total is freeway.

I have done the hour meter test (turn key to on and hold trip reset for 6 seconds. ). . Shows 210 hours for 6500 miles. . That relates to just over 30 mph average. I used to let it idle some but not anymore. I use the Jake on decel even solo to save brake life. I have done every once in a while, a long trip like 50 miles or so to help the truck regen the DPF. I hope all that I am doing will make my truck trouble free as yours is... please let me know when you did the cleaning and do you think it is something that can be done at home? Myself?
 
Jim:

Yes, we agree. I'd like to see the ISB6. 7 become as bullet proof as the old faithful 5. 9 so it could be driven as a grocery getter w/o problems. But as we both know and understand, Cummins and Dodge are doing their absolute best to comply with the stupid liberal wacko driven emission control systems and still make the engines perform well and provide adequate economy and reliability. Meeting the emission specs is probably extremely difficult and will probably take time. For now, owners should probably take additional effort to give their truck some highway miles as well as low speed commuting in city traffic.

Eric:

The EGR and EGR cooler cleaning was just performed on my truck a week ago at something like 70,500 miles. But remember, my cab and chassis 3500 is a different animal than your 3500 pickup so "your results may vary. "

Yes, you can easily learn to remove and clean your own EGR and EGR cooler. It only requires basic hand tools and basic skills, nothing fancy involved. If you have a Dodge Ram service manual you can do it yourself in your own garage.

I'm not a mechanic and all I know is what I have observed with my own truck and been told by the two guys I described above but IMO you would be wise to pull and inspect your EGR and cooler after a year of operating your truck in your normal drive cycle. If it is clean, no problem, continue what you're doing. If it is becoming sooted you could clean it, reinstall it, and plan to do the cleaning procedure according to a similar schedule.

We should probably keep in mind, I was quoting the opinions and experiences of one mechanic. He has worked on ISB6. 7s since they were introduced in late 2007. His experiences and opinions were probably heavily influenced by the early trucks which had some emissions related problems. Those trucks that experienced problems have had turbos, EGR valves, and DPFs replaced and software reflashes performed and later trucks were built with improved software.

He is probably seeing fewer trucks with problems but may be remembering the earlier problems.
 
Harvey,



You know, the more we get to know how these systems work, the better in the long run. How many miles was on your truck when you did the cleaning? I only have 6500 now. I do use it for commuting as it is my only vehicle. My wife drives a small SUV. I tow a trailer in the summer recreationally and when I do drive to work, about 10 miles of the 13 total is freeway.



I have done the hour meter test (turn key to on and hold trip reset for 6 seconds. ). . Shows 210 hours for 6500 miles. . That relates to just over 30 mph average. I used to let it idle some but not anymore. I use the Jake on decel even solo to save brake life. I have done every once in a while, a long trip like 50 miles or so to help the truck regen the DPF. I hope all that I am doing will make my truck trouble free as yours is... please let me know when you did the cleaning and do you think it is something that can be done at home? Myself?



Cleaning the egr valve is a piece of Cake if you have any mechanical skills.

Remove from engine. Remove solenoid,4 screws. Do not loose the shim. Remove valve keeper,same as any engine valve. Soak in solution,brush away carbon and reverse procedure to assemble
 
So just the Valve that is connected to the intake horn? How about the EGR Valve on the left side on top of the cooler?
 
So just the Valve that is connected to the intake horn? How about the EGR Valve on the left side on top of the cooler?



If you are talking about the by pass valve do not touch it. The cooler also should not need any attention till at least 70k if all is working well
 
I kept popping up a code due to my egr. Took it in for a egr cleaning and they ended up replacing the egr valve and a sensor, said they couldn't get it clean enough. After 300k I guess it got alittle dirty. I sure felt like they broke it off in me after the $ 1100. 00 bill. Got the newest flash and sure seems like the truck runs different, I'm not sure if better or not... .
 
My '08 stock 6. 7 in the shop again yesterday (11th time in 26k) for new CP3. Cool dealer lets you hang with the tech as they work. Anyway tech had to remove the intake horn to get to the CP3... he said "you don't want to see this" I expected to see clogged up heater grid. Heater grid wasn't bad. What I saw was approximately 1. 5" triangle of solid soot build up lenghtwise in the intake horn where it met the heater grid. Can't imagine what all is clogged up past the heater grid thanks to the egr being intack. He soaked it in a dodge cleaning tub (don't think it was dial soap) as what ever coats the outside of the intake horn pealed off. NASTY EGR.



My duty cycle would have been better suited for a hemi - my bad. If I just wouldn't drive it in the city, ever idle more than 2 minutes, load it up for a weekly trip over the mountains oh wait the mountains are 500miles away, keep that jake brake on all the time rain, snow or shine... . all clearly spelled out in the dodge literature I read before my grand purchase. Wait they did give me a nice CD after purchase.



Getting to know folks at the dealer well - making new friends in the waiting room there. Noted 4 used bluetechs on the lot yesterday milage ranged from 26k to 50k, 2 were used for hauling and 2 weren't - wonder what they traded for another legendary cummins? Don't know. Another guy in there had catalyst full in his '08 had 50k all highway... he was told needed new dpf & egr cooler clean. Thanks for the warranty. BUT, then what?



I always wanted a cummins. People in Nebraska love there pickups. Thought I'd be able to just drive it. Got 4mpg better on the 30 mile trip back from the dealer thanks to more airflow less soot - for the time being.



Thanks.
 
I don't have one, but I agree the 6. 7s with all the emission goodies are ment to be worked and not used as grocery getters. I am planning to keep my '05 as long as I can.



I do think that in time, the emissions will improve (remember the gas engines of the '70s, egrs, and cats... no fun either). I wonder if they went with urea would they still need the egr and dpf... add with each fuel up and drive it like you stole it.



From the people that I know that have 6. 7s, the ones that work them HARD and drive them like a rental have the best luck.
 
grocery getters

it's a pickup with a pickup box on it

should be able to drive it to the grocery store and also pull a house if you want

shouldn't have to beat it to make it run right

yet the chassis cab has less emmissions - makes perfect sense - ok

suppose it depends on what area of the country you're in but in nebraska very common to see the 5. 9's running empty, idling to warm up, doing whatever and doing it well
 
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Fellow TDR Members,



I'm driving my 09 C&C 4500 more and driving about 6 miles to work and back every day. It will be interesting how my emissions perform. I thought I would know if truck went into regen, but have not had any indicators other than the DPF looks like it has been hot. Got 6,200 miles on it.



We'll see how it does,



Wiredawg
 
The only way you can determine when the truck performs a regen is with gauges. If you happen to be starting and stopping around town with experience you may notice a slight change in exhaust note and off-idle throttle response. When I sense the change in exhaust sound and response to the accelerator pedal at launch I automatically glance up at the EGT gauge and confirm it is in regen.

Your's is the only C&C reported to be used in such a short trip light duty cycle so it will be interesting to see if you avoid emissions equipment problems as the others have.
 
Clean the fuel Up in most States and this Problem Will be non-existence. Here In MN We have 5% mandatory Bio. I See D-max,Fords,Cummins with 200K+ and the EGRs are clean,I currently have a 05 6. 0 on EGR delete B/C its Puking the Chamber is clean (Turbo also) the valve is bad,its 6hrs R/R plus $350. 00 for the Hardware,The D-Max f-Stick and Plate $50. 00 for the Hardware and Plate 1hr R/R. All Pre Bluetec's. The 6. 4 and LMM are just as nasty as the 6. 7. I'm all for Urea,Blaine At Bio-Clean said the stuff is use daily in their Products and is easily manufactured,it will freeze,Need some type of solution for that!!!!
 
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