(ETH) 5.9L Cummins turbo diese eng. has a final order date of 11/21/03

[bish777]

Was on http://www.arifleet.com/production.html#chtrucks

 

[jgillott]

It doesn't surprise me that it is that soon. With the average build time from order being 6-8 weeks, the final trucks with this engine will be rolling off the line at the beginning of January. I was hoping to convince the wife to order one before the cut off date, but I guess that isn't going to happen.



Justin

 

[Moterhead]

Originally posted by jgillott

It doesn't surprise me that it is that soon. With the average build time from order being 6-8 weeks, the final trucks with this engine will be rolling off the line at the beginning of January. I was hoping to convince the wife to order one before the cut off date, but I guess that isn't going to happen.



Justin

The build time from order on my truck was less than four weeks (9/25 order, 10/17 built, KZ on 10/21). It's the stinkin' delivery time that is ridiculous. My truck has been sitting on a stupid railcar in Veracruz since 10/21. Scheduled delivery to Key West, 12/1 and that may yet change!

 

[KCJackson]

That's a 4-week run from Nov 21 - all plants go on vacation for two weeks at the holidays, production will restart on Jan 5 2004 with the new engine.



As far as "discontinuing the Cummins", obviously that sales rep was unaware that 75% of all Ram HDs are diesels, and for DC to do something that stupid would cost them sales of nearly 10,000 units per month.

 

[JLockhart]

Originally posted by bish777

Was on http://www.arifleet.com/production.html#chtrucks

There's certainly some conflicting information out there. My order went in October 10, so I hope this one is true. Not holding my breath...

 

[RSchlosser]

I ordered my truck on 9/26. I spoke with my dealer today, they told me my truck would be on hold till after january :{

 

[Moterhead]

I ordered mine 9/25. It's built (went KZ on 10/17) and loaded on a railcar on 10/21. Sitting at port of Vera Cruz. I've not been able to find out what the holdup on shipping is about. If it's a hold until January, lots will change. I'm buying it on an employee price deal that has to be complted within the CY of the order. ALso, the current rebate program expires 1/2/04. Is it some sort of plot to do me out of all these great prices?



Here's another wrinkle. After 1/1/04, the trucks have to be in compliance with the new EPA regs. Some are saying "EGR". If the truck was built before that date, but delivered after, is it new engine or old? Are they building EGR trucks now and holding them until after 1/1 to deliver?

 

[Bill Stockard]

It doesn't matter when the truck is assembled as far as the Jan '04 emissions. The engine build date is the determining factor. There is a lead time between the time the engine is built and shipped the the assembly plant and the time the truck is assembled.



By the cut off date of Nov. 21 for orders for the ETH engine code means the approximate lead time for the engines is 4 weeks from the time the order is placed until the engine is built, shipped, and available at the assembly plant for installation into a vehicle. The factory (D-C) has to have enough time to give Cummins a count of the engines needed to build out to the end of the production run.



Since there may be other production changes in the truck itself, D-C may want to end their production of the current HD truck models with the last pre-Jan '04 truck with the ETH engine to make the assembly of trucks easier.



Here's something you may or not know... as soon as the truck is built and off the assembly line, the dealer is invoiced for the truck. D-C gets their money. The dealer is paying floor plan interest after a very short time so it's in the dealer's best interest to stay after the transportation to get the truck to moving... it's costing him money for it to set somewhere!



Bill

 

[Moterhead]

Interesting about when the dealer is invoiced. Especially considering he has no control over delivery, especially from Saltillo. He seems rather unconcerned about the inordinate, IMHO, delivery time. My dealer didn't even know how to check the vehicle status data base. I had to show him how to do it! I look at my truck every day and every day the estimated delivery date moves a day. Now 12/3.

 

[DannyW]

order status database?

Where's this order database? I've used the 800 number to Dodge, but that's talking to a live person... ... and not getting much info.

 

[Moterhead]

your dealer can use it to check status, location, estimated delivery date. he uses his dealer code and the truck's vin.

 

[crabjoe]

The dealer may get invoiced, but he's not paying floor plan. Interest for Floor plan doesn't start right away, different financial institutions give different lead times b4 the finance charges kick in. I think most dealers get 60 days b4 the interest starts.

 

[Bill Stockard]

The way some of the finance company floor plan programs work is that the interest starts immediately, but a credit is issued to the dealers open account for the "free" time period which can be from 3 days to 60 days. Sometimes the "free" period varies whether the truck is ordered as sold or for inventory. For example if the free time is for 30 days, the credit is for 30 days of interest and the dealer gets and sells the truck in two weeks, he's ahead of the game(he keeps the full credit), but if the truck takes longer than the 30 days before it's delivered and sold, it costs him. Multiply this out over several hundred vehicles in his inventory and inventory turnover and it adds up to big money on an annual basis!



There's a big business at the wholesale level in financing of new and used vehicles that most vehicle buyers don't even realize exists.



Bill

 

[ACerf]

Orders

If DC is going to bring out the 6. 1liter diesel mid-year I don't think they are going to built to many rigs with the 5. 9! This new engine should be a kick in the pants and would be worth the wait! I have an 2003 and will trade mine in on a 2005 or 06 when they get the new engine de-bugged.

 

[JLockhart]

Originally posted by Moterhead



ALso, the current rebate program expires 1/2/04. Is it some sort of plot to do me out of all these great prices?

It's my understanding that DC policy is now to give you the best rebate, either the program at the time of order, or at the time of delivery.

 

[Moterhead]

That's true. It's called Customer Order Protection. In order for it to apply, there must be a signed vehicle order in place dated prior to program expiration. With that, you get whichever rebate is best for the customer at time of sale. That's info from the DC "Gold Book".



What I'm most concerned about is the statement in the Employee Price program guide that says the transaction must be completed with the CY. I have an order, so I will get the rebate protection. I just don't know how, or even if it's possible, to assure I'll get the Emplyee Price.

 

[Bouncy]

My father went over to order one on the 20th. They said no new orders.



So I don't know why the 21st was listed... .



The sales person said they tried on the 19th also and DCX had locked the ordering.



What gives with that???

 

[skichline]

New here, new to DC, new to Diesel, so forgive my ignorance. I've been lurking awhile though... .



Anyway, if this is all true (6. 1L etc... . ) I might be getting one of the last 2004's off the line before the switchover to 2004. 5. I ordered on 11/3. It went to D status on 11/19 and its still there. I was told today the Build Plan shows 12/8 and it should go D1 sometime this week.

Originally posted by Moterhead

That's true. It's called Customer Order Protection. In order for it to apply, there must be a signed vehicle order in place dated prior to program expiration. With that, you get whichever rebate is best for the customer at time of sale. That's info from the DC "Gold Book".

Moterhead, how can I find out more information about this. When I ordered my dealer told me not to worry because rebates go up not down..... but he made it clear that I get whatever Dodge is offering when it gets delivered. (Imagine that a dealer being less then truthful) I do have a signed order sheet w/ both our signatures on it.





FWIW This site is great!!

Thanks for all the info.