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Needing some opinions on using the F250 with a 30' flat bed for Hot Shot.
It will be tagged for under 26000 but I've heard it doesn't make any difference what it's tagged for the the DOT will bust you regardless of weight if it's not a dually. Ive been driving a class 8 truck for over 20 tears and ive never had a DOT officer look at tires other then tread. Its always GVW and Axle weight and length between axles on the bridge laws. So why would the DOT be worried about a single tire axle over a duel tire axle?
 
There are better Hot Shot forums to ask this question. However someone may be along with an answer.

You do have two things going against you.

1. 250/2500
2. Ford reliability or is it a Fummins

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Everyone's entitled to their own opinion when it comes to reliability. I can show you troubles had by all 3 trucks. Personally I've had great reliable service out of my Fords I've had in the past.
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I am forced into the HELL that is wrenching on Power Strokes. Unless you've walked a mile in my shoes, you got no biz on a Cummins forum tramping the Ford stuff. The cab n chassis are ok but from the doors forward- you're nuckin futz.

On the topic, it's common knowledge that a 6X has a higher combined GVW than a 4X. How the DOT sees it is unknown to me, and I'm willing to bet a junk FICM that it varies state to state.
 
I wasn't tramping anything. Federal laws are federal laws. State by state doesn't matter. It doesn't make a dang difference if you have 2 tires on and axle or 4. The weight of the axle is the same. The reason I asked this question was to see if anyone else had a problem with the dot in this line of work.*
 
I am forced into the HELL that is wrenching on Power Strokes. Unless you've walked a mile in my shoes, you got no biz on a Cummins forum tramping the Ford stuff. The cab n chassis are ok but from the doors forward- you're nuckin futz.


The OP was asking about the DOT and SRW....Someone else started the Ford/Ram thing:rolleyes:

Nick
 
Ok. Off soap box. SRW and DRW have the same rear axle rating? Really? And AFAIK states do have specific DOT rules on top of the fed DOT.
 
I have found that about half of DOT enforcement is about perception, if the load looks heavy they will check you. Case in point, the logs weigh 26k the hay weighs 23,500. Which one will you look at? Same truck and trailer in both pic's.

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I'm not sure why the question I ask had anything to do with what truck I was pulling it with. My point was take for instance a class 8 truck with a axle rated at xyz pounds with duel tires will be the same rating if that owner decides to put super singles on it.*
All this BS about Ford Vs Ram is BS.
If it makes you mad let me know when you get out of middle school and I'll ask you something like how long it takes to change the transmission in a 2012 ram 3500.
 
Trans in a 2012 Ram 3500? No longer than the Ford with the dang converter studs.

I think you're the one in middle school, Slider, if you think one class 8 tire that is intended for DRW install has the same ply/ weight carrying capacity as a super single. Do you really think that? Do you really think that a class 3 truck carrying 2 rear wheels has the same capacity as the same truck with 4 wheels? Do you think the DOT or LEO's don't care in any instance? Do you believe in using the right equipment for a task?

Nick, you know how I feel about the old Fords, so let's not go there. I'll agree that a lot of enforcement is discretionary but when something goes terribly wrong, and you're underrated it will matter.
 
Relax Wayne, he didn't start the BS, Snowball did. Probably too many Bloody Mary's and no real breakfast from what he's posted already today. The OPs original question was about DOT singleing out srw trucks because they weren't duallys and claims of being illegal to use as a hot shot simply because of being a srw truck? The next relevant post alluded to the fact that the axle wt is what it is, and if your over you'll be ticketed. As was stated perception means everything. I haul locally on a daily basis with a srw truck. Been inspected several times. No serious violations. Watch your axle wt, have all appropriate lic and paper work, keep a clean, safe truck and good luck. I hope you make some money.
 
It is. I run 26K + gcwr and if my truck didn't have to wear so many hats it'd be a dually. All of life is a compromise of one sort of another. How much we compromise and where we draw the line is something we all have to decide on our own. Legal practices and best operating practices are seldom one in the same.
 
It will be tagged for under 26000 but I've heard it doesn't make any difference what it's tagged for the the DOT will bust you regardless of weight if it's not a dually.

From my experience SRW or DRW is a none issue with DOT unless you are exceeding a weight rating. If you are tagged for 26,000 and exceed that wt you will get caught. If the combined GVWRs of truck and trailer exceed 26,000 and you don't have a class A DL, you will get caught. However, going on the interweb and asking legality questions is foolish. Pull into any scale house and ask an enforcement guy your specific question, or if you are shy, FMCSA regs are available on the web too.
 
"Needing some opinions on using the F250 with a 30' flat bed for Hot Shot"

The DOT is but a small concern in the big picture.

Coming from big rigs to a light duty pickup you are in for a maintenance cost surprise. Don't care if you have a Cumapart, Ford, Duramax, or an old forgotten IDI diesel. It's not the cost when, not if, you blow the engine, but, the rest of the truck that will eat your lunch in repairs. Front ends, transmissions, anything on the engine accessory belt... Some get lucky and get more miles than others out of an engine. Sometimes things go wrong and take your engine out like a bad oil filter, blown radiator, or hose. Fuel costs are not that much lower loaded and you are limited by weight. For Hot Shot loads fuel costs vs. a commercial HD truck on LTL isn't a big deal.

Figure a 250K life out of the Pickup. Some get more some less. Can you get your purchase cost money back out of the truck in 250K with the other expenses? Some argue the odds one engine lasts longer than another - this is something you can't bank on as once the warranty is up repairs come out of your pocket. We can talk about repair costs of a IDI 6.5TD that went 170K vs. the 3 times my 5.9 has been out of the truck in 120K. Yes, the re-redesigned IDI 6.5 is still in production for Military HUMVEE. Again sometimes it's just luck that matters more than how long an engine could last. A real factor is how much mechanical work you do on your truck and how much you have to hire out. Maybe the pay as a mechanic is better... :D

The Dual rear wheel truck allows more tongue weight or load in the bed plus trailer. Rumor has it that DRW gives you more stability.

You are dealing with LT tires, basically warmed over passenger car tires. The LT tires are rated from 3195 lbs single each to a max of ~4000 lbs for some rare ones. These are NOT the 19.5 or 22.5 commercial tires you are used to that normally can carry from 4000 lbs to past 4500 each. LT's don't have the load carrying capacity and they don't have long life - figure 30-45K tops from a set of 4 tires. (Add $400 more for 6 tires DRW that go the same short miles as the 4 SRW tires.) That is if they don't blow out or separate from the load. That said other than short life we have had decent luck with SRW LT tires. Just from short tire life alone I would suggest a 19.5 conversion for cost savings on the long haul.

From the door sticker on a dully you can super single it out as it has the higher GRAWR and GVWR numbers. The SRW 2500/3500 pickups are limited to a GVWR and GRAWR by tire capacity as they are the same tires used on the dual rear wheel trucks. So even with 19.5's on a SRW truck the door sticker limits your weight in the two ways.

SRW pickups are NOT "Super Single" versions of a DRW pickup! A DRW truck can carry ~4000 lbs where a SRW pickup 3500 is a little over 2000 lbs limited by the tires. 1993 or 2003 with SRW is about the same cargo capacity. (My 1993 has higher rated 16" tires than the 17" on my 2003 Dodge! The door stickers come out to about the same cargo weight. )

DOT stops anyone they feel like. Take the distance from a major city that would require logbooks and figure the DOT is stopping any 2500/3500 pickups with trailers to see if they are from that city, running commercial, and if they have a logbook. DOT doesn't care if you are DRW or SRW. If you are overloaded on either you are leaving the load behind, out of service for a day or more, and get to pay for the privilege. Overloaded on license plates or the rig's numbers itself is something I don't have the answer to as we never were caught over the weight rating of the vehicle. :rolleyes: Passed many DOT checks/checkpoints with SRW and even got a $50 check from the broker for passing. Hint NEVER pull into a rest area...

Ant the end of the day you need your CPM and fixed costs to bid jobs profitably and to see if this pays better than what you are doing now. Many people wind up broke with a worn out, used to be nice, pickup.

A good resource if you haven't seen it already is:
http://www.ooida.com/
 
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