fed up with the 6.7 and bought a 12 valve

[DSoutherland]

2 busted injectors in the 6. 7. Bought a 95 3500 today with 143000 miles on it Im goin old school, and as soon as I can find an 06 like my 07 the 07 will be gone.

 

[WMonroe]

Did the injectors cause any damage? Does the mp8 add pressure?

Will

 

[grasmo]

I love my old 5. 9's bullet... no ... . bomb proof .

 

[DSoutherland]

I don,t know yet. I dropped the truck off at my dealer friday morning. I called them friday afternoon and they told me about the 2 injectors, said they would replace them and go from there. The mp-8 does add pressure, but i've had it off for atleast the last 10000 miles. I don't know if the makes a difference or not. I love my 07 but there has just been to many problems. Plus I bought the 95 for $3200. I got to fix an oil leak and she'll be good to go.

 

[VHolloway]

you just can't beat them 12v's

i have a 99 24v but would trade it in a haart beat for a 12v in the same shapeOo.

 

[Grumpy John 4x4]

12 valve

Their the best! easy to enhance! Only way to go!Oo.

 

[J.BURCHFIELD]

I bought my 98 12v new and no complaints about Cummings but Dodge is another story. Built with parts from the lowest bidder. I have many upgrades but the best of all was upgrading the rear brakes from drum to disc. EGR puts together a top quality conversion kit. My Brother-in-Law with 40 years as a mechanic did the work. I am 80 and not so good at getting in and out from under the truck anymore and so all I did was help bleed the system after he was done. The job turned out perfect as I felt it would. Stopping distance like a car. My rear axle is a Dana 70. 79 Cadillac El Dorado used the same axle so that was the disc and caliper that came in the kit. EGR made up special brackets that fit perfectly. It is also a big difference when I tow. Brakes are the most important part of any vehicle. I never realized the difference rear disc would make until I tried it. I had driven the Damn Ram 10 years with no mishaps, just some close calls. Now I feel much safer driving the Damn Ram. So I say if you are considering the conversion you won't be disappointed. I have talked about this a while back but it is a safety issue and in my opinion worth repeating. -- email address removed --

 

[WoodChuck]

My rear axle is a Dana 70. 79 Cadillac El Dorado used the same axle so that was the disc and caliper that came in the kit. EGR made up special brackets that fit perfectly.

I don't think any Cadillac ever had a Dana 70 axle. That's a 3/4 to 1 ton truck axle. Also aren't all Eldorado's front wheel drive?

I would believe that brakes came from the rear of the Cad though, that could be possible.

 

[J.BURCHFIELD]

My rear axle happens to be a dana M-70. The directions that came with the EGR conversion kit said when it came time to replace the pads ask the parts store for 79 Cadillac El Dorado. This may be irrelevant but a rear axle can be used for a front axle and has been many times, Just turn it around and the axle is made so the ring gear can be switched to the other side. I was told that was done on heavy duty GM Pick Up trucks years ago with the dana 70 axle. Any doubt about what you have under your truck just give a dealer parts department your vin number and they can look up what axle you have. That is what I did so I could give EGR the right info. when ordering the kit. You are right about it being a 3/4 to 1 ton axle. Car companies don't make axles, they out-source them like Dodge used GM steering boxes and power break and steering pumps so they would not have to develop their own. I would bet my air conditioning compressor is GM too. Always more to learn, at least for me. The older I get the less I find out I know. Too soon old and too late smart.

 

[RHestand]

J. BURCHFIELD,

Just curious, but what problems were you having with your stock rear drum brakes that motivated you to convert to disc?

The reason I'm asking is, my stock brakes (98-12v) work fine except they are very "touchy/grabby" in the morning. Especially colder mornings.

So far my fix has been,after I leave my driveway, each morning,(at about 30 MPH) I put a little pressure on the brakes to warm them up, then they work fine for the rest of the day.

I just R&R the front ball joints, and my front brakes look good. But I have not looked at the rears yet.

I'm thinking it might be leaking axle seals, and gear oil inside the drums.

Were you, or are anyone else on this thread, having this problem?

Thanks for any replies on this,

Ray

 

[Regcabguy]

I bought my 98 12v new and no complaints about Cummings but Dodge is another story. Built with parts from the lowest bidder. I have many upgrades but the best of all was upgrading the rear brakes from drum to disc. EGR puts together a top quality conversion kit. My Brother-in-Law with 40 years as a mechanic did the work. I am 80 and not so good at getting in and out from under the truck anymore and so all I did was help bleed the system after he was done. The job turned out perfect as I felt it would. Stopping distance like a car. My rear axle is a Dana 70. 79 Cadillac El Dorado used the same axle so that was the disc and caliper that came in the kit. EGR made up special brackets that fit perfectly. It is also a big difference when I tow. Brakes are the most important part of any vehicle. I never realized the difference rear disc would make until I tried it. I had driven the Damn Ram 10 years with no mishaps, just some close calls. Now I feel much safer driving the Damn Ram. So I say if you are considering the conversion you won't be disappointed. I have talked about this a while back but it is a safety issue and in my opinion worth repeating. -- email address removed --

Dodge should be sued over the 2nd. gen. brakes. I eventually went with EGR's rear disc conversion and it definitely helped,but my '07 has twice the brakes over the '99 w/EGR's. I spent a small fortune on the '99 making up for Dodge's underengineering. Luckily sold it for just shy of $19,000 at market peak and got my '07 for $30,300 from Dave Smith Motors. Aside frome these "park bench" seats,zero trips to the dealer. I do miss those 2nd. gen. seats though.

 

[Forrest Nearing]

love my 12v... it's my 5th one... but I sure have loved the 3rd gen TRUCKS more than my 2nd gen trucks



I've had three 98 12v's, and they're great trucks, but the 3rd gens are SO much nicer inside... brakes are a million times better, steering is better, etc.



I've talked/thought about selling my 98 because it just sits there, but it's such a good truck, so reliable, etc. I don't know if I can bring myself to actually get rid of it

 

[J.BURCHFIELD]

RHestand, There were no problems, no leaking seals oiling the shoes. I was disappointed that you just could not stop in as short a distance as I felt I should be able to. What prompted me to really pay attention was I had a fender bender with an old 1990 Nissan because the SOB (sorry old brakes) just would not stop. It only slowed down. I then realized that any vehicle with drum and shoe on the rear was inadequate. The industry has been slow to go to 4 wheel disc brakes. When I joined the USAF in 1948 I saw disc brakes on the F-80. So it is an improvement that has been around a long time, just that the industry does not spend money on things that the buying public does not demand. The seat belt did damage to my chest (no airbag) and for 17 days it was a monumental task to get in and out of bed because of the pain. Here in FL you can not sue for injury unless it is a life long injury. So all I got was an auto insurance settlement for my totaled 1990 Nissan. Not much but enough to pay for the conversion to disc on my Damn Ram. The difference was amazing after driving the truck for 10 years I had adjusted to the lack of stopping ability and did not even realize it. Now I have the brakes that any vehicle has with 4 wheel disc. My wife's car is a 2,000 Subaru Forester with disc on all 4. Driving it gives me an idea of what stopping distance should be. My Damn Ram will stop in about the same distance and it weighs twice as much. I am very happy that I converted. One time avoiding a fender bender will be well worth it. Also it will keep someone in another vehicle from getting hurt. As we all know we have a responsibility to the other people on the road. Where I failed was not getting it done sooner. Never knew there was a kit until I saw EGR's ad in TDR. But I said maybe someday. It took the fender bender to wake me up. Too soon old and too late smart.

 

[MA2LA]

the caddy rears brake calipers and pads are a industry standard for rear disk conversions due to the fact it was one of the few calpers made for a long time that had parking brake provisions. The caddys never used the 70 in anything.

 

[PaulBarker]

I bought a 12v last year also. I have my 07. 5 but I love my 96. I use it for my crew changes which is a 8yr drive one way. Great truck. I love driving that truck. Though a stock 12v is a turd. A big turd at that but it sure is a different animal. One of these days I will put the money into it.

Somebody on here mention the 12v's have crappy steering. They do, But I replaced the gear box with a PCS gear box. It now steers much better then any 3rd gen I have owned or driven. Not to mention a 12v will turn on a dime compared to a 3rd gen.

The interior is only a perception. That is it. I figure if you want flashy a person should drive a Ford.

I believe 12v's are the cream of the crop for the cummins. They are all great trucks but each gen offer something different for each of us.

 

[J.BURCHFIELD]

THANKS - Now I am left assuming that whatever the Caddy axle was it was close enough to the 70 that the Caddy calipers and disc would work with a proper bracket that EGR designed. The parking brake feature is handy and necessary. You could never get through a safety check without it.

 

[RDHamill]

How did you determine that you had "busted injectors"?

 

[DSoutherland]

The truck had a very bad miss to it, was blowing black smoke, and no power. About like pulling 2 plug wires of a 6 cylinder and running it 80 down the road. The funny thing is the cel never came on. dealer said that 2 injectors were at 80% replaced the injectors and it runs fine now. But now i have a miss in the 12 valver but i don't think it is an injector, it will only miss if the engine doesn't have a load on it and above 2200 rpm's.

 

[Coalsmoke]

I've got to be honest here, I used to think that the 12v couldn't really be beat in terms of the best package out there, but since owning my 08 for close to a year now, I wouldn't trade it for a brand new 98 12v quad cab. With the 08 I've got the power, planted in a much better chassis design, decent fuel economy, awesome interior, the new front end geometry, a quiet cab, nice tow package with the power heated tow mirrors, really wide power band with the 6. 7L, 6 gears instead of 5 with holes inbetween 2-3 and 3-4, a solid front axle shaft (no more CAD issues), 10,100lb GVWR and still a single rear wheel configuration, seats that are comfortable for the average 180lb north american sized guy with this fabric that doesn't seem to stain, even the little details like real tow hook on the front, one more thing I don't have to worry about adding or crawling under to put a strap around the axle, no vacuum pump issues with this truck either, a posi rear end that never chatters or has any clutch disc material wearing in it, ABS disc brakes front and back that work incredibly well, and the built in exhaust brake is sure nice and works better than the conventional butterfly style brake on my 95 even with the 60lb exhaust spring upgrade, inner rear fender wells that are designed to resist catching material and rusting out, unlike the 2nd gen ones that seem to be rust magnets, also paint that stays on the sheet metal is kind of nice, and I kind of thought its turning radius was surprisingly good considering how long the wheel base is. I can out maneuver the soccer moms in the parking lot, so I guess its good enough for my needs.



Anyways, just wanted to add my two bits.

 

[grasmo]

I am starting to believe the 6. 7 is gonna be awesome. Just got the hot unlock for my 08 and man does she growl. It will now blow a decent amount of black smoke. Time is the only way to beat a 5. 9 and they already have a few years head start on the 6. 7's .