Fence pole setting

[BIGNASTY]

The Cattle operation is growing with the acquisition of a few thousand acres of land and very possibly few thousand more. This will mean the setting of fence posts for a 3 wire run of Barbed wire around most of its boundaries. I hope that you folks can help me out again like you did with the post hole digger on the tractor that is still boring holes in the ground.

I have had nightmares about using the old manual method of post driving, I don't think that my arms and shoulders could do that very long. We are unable to get to some of the property with any sort of tractors or large machinery. So I have been looking around and found this, I like the Honda motor and it can be used to drive a lot of different type posts. There will be a need for control gates so a larger pole on each side of the gate will be necessary, this can drive most all up to I think 2 1/2 inch. Also a pole every so often will be needed to pull the wire taught then a larger pole will be needed for that. The main pole driven will be the T type fence post.



http://rhinotool.com/products/post-drivers/gpd-45-multi-pro-gas-powered-driver/


If anyone has used or seen any other product that maybe something for us to look at please feel free to link it our way.


Thanks for your help

BIG

 

[Deleted member 995608]

3 wire fencing ain't enough for cattle Big. You should know that already.

All of us use an pneumatic drivers run off of bed mounted air compressors.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Well it has seemed to work for the most part, none lost, none to cut up and no fences broke down. We don't live in an environment that is TREELESS ours has Tress so thick that im actually going to have to get a horse!! to get the cattle out of the trees and Push them into the high mountain pastures to graze.

We also don't feed any thing close to the fence so most don't have a reason to go near it to reach for the greener grass on the other side, there is enough rain here to keep our pastures pretty green and that makes for the need to fence pastures to prevent over grazing. During the Spring thru Fall the cattle will be run on a Forest Service/BLM Land Lease ( I can hear it NOW!!! Remember what happened to the guy in NV with a land lease) they have been doing it for Eon's here and as long as the rules are followed BOTH parties are happy with the outcome. Besides when Winter hits NOTHING semi Domestic can survive to long in these winters and will have to be trucked out to places that we can let the overwinter and take care of their feed needs.

Penny's Parents have gave us their 200 acres in Seeley to make ours now 235 and all that's been between the cattle here and town and the hwy are 3 and 4 barb wire fence line.

 

[Deleted member 995608]

Well it has seemed to work for the most part, none lost, none to cut up and no fences broke down. We don't live in an environment that is TREELESS ours has Tress so thick that im actually going to have to get a horse!! to get the cattle out of the trees and Push them into the high mountain pastures to graze.

I thought you had Mules Big??

 

[BIGNASTY]

My Riding mule wont run, Correction wont unless I put spur to her and that isn't going to happen. She's to old to learn to be a Cattle Mule. So that's the reason for a Horse. Herding in the mountains is not like it is in a Feed Lot. Pop's cattle are free to roam where they want. In the case of the new Polebridge land buy, it backs up to Nat. Forest and BLM that they will be run on. Part of the deal is that Cattle must remain high in the mountain pastures so native game can run in the wooded lands to eat their natural feed as is their normal way.

I don't have any doubt that Daisy isn't going to run the mountains like a horse can. We will still need the mules to pull a wagon (Sheepherder's Wagon) for us to sleep in and tow one behind it for supplies, and another team to pull one for more supplies. My FIL is in the process of finishing building the steel frames of the wagons, this winter I will finish the wood part of them so to be ready for next spring to use until fall snows drive us out of the mountains. We could use tents but IM getting to old to spend 5 months on the ground, I tried it for 3 months this summer/Fall past and im still healing from of that.

 

[BIGNASTY]

If it matters there is a complete series on this we are just getting started with this idea, LOTS of other cattle operations have been doing this for a long time. It is said to make a BETTER type of Beef. I have personally have ate both Store bought fed like the normal Industrial farm beef and grass fed, I will take Grass fed ANYDAY!!

This is the 1st part and it has links to the other 20 or so. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnOZORcwVMg

This is the point that makes it good to work like this, No BS out there like the Political Forum has :-laf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjjJHhbfEU0

Might take notice most of this has LOTS of that barbed wire fence that WONT WORK!!

 

[jhenderson]

When I visited friends in Arizona many years ago, the cattle were on Federal lease land in the mountains. Cattle guards on all the roads. My buddy warned me not to eat any beef unless the menue listed it as Kansas City beef. He said the local stuff was fresh off foraging in the forest and not fit to eat. I'm sure the ranchers out there would have given a lot to have real pasture to work with. Big's right about the fence. If they're well fed they will stay behind wire. The only problem willbe wildlife running through it from time to time.

 

[Deleted member 995608]

We run 4-5 wire here and cows are hard on fences wether they're feed well or not. 5 wire on the road sides and skimp a little on the interior lines. Its cheaper in the long and less work maintaining a 5 wire, sturdy fence.

 

[kcv67]

I have rode some of that area on the grey bull river valley. My sister and brother in law are on a ranch next to the pitchfork. You got to be really selective in the cattle you breed and make sure they can travel. I have seen bulls stop and shade up and be not interested in doing their job and cows that sluff their calves because of the stress of traveling.

Also on the taste of beef a lot of the taste comes from the marbling of fat in the beef. The marbling comes from breeds how fed when butchered and a lot of variables. I have seen beef grass fed that had too much fat. Then I have seen corn fed with tiny rib eyes and too little marbling.

Casey

 

[BIGNASTY]

OK!!! So I guess if I'm going to cowboy I should pay more attention to what I write of the site :-laf

JHawes I thought that for a second there that you were going LOGHEAD on me, wanting to peck a fight!! When I quoted the amount of stands of B-wire I KNEW that there were at least 3. Penny's Father & My Son are the ones that make decisions when it comes to things that Mooo, I just do what they say. I asked and they do use more strands of B-wire where its most important, and some little chain that connects them all together.

Forgive me, I'm a Truck Driver turned Cowboy (and not a very good one at that) just in the past few years.

When at the NFR I did go to the Cowboy market place and pick myself up a couple of Ropes for Steer Roping. I have some pretty wicked rope burns and my learning curve is in need of help, but if I did it like JD a Pard of mine that was once a No-Name Rodeo Steer Wrestler/ Saddle Bronk Rider I would just run next to them and jump off on their neck I think that I will leave that to the real Cowboys.

Now if you have a need to do some mule pack-in or drive an 18 wheeler I have a pretty good grip on those things

 

[BIGNASTY]

I have rode some of that area on the grey bull river valley. My sister and brother in law are on a ranch next to the pitchfork. You got to be really selective in the cattle you breed and make sure they can travel. I have seen bulls stop and shade up and be not interested in doing their job and cows that sluff their calves because of the stress of traveling.

Also on the taste of beef a lot of the taste comes from the marbling of fat in the beef. The marbling comes from breeds how fed when butchered and a lot of variables. I have seen beef grass fed that had too much fat. Then I have seen corn fed with tiny rib eyes and too little marbling.




Casey

Casey Don't know about such thing as the difference in Grass vs Corn, except taste. When we need beef we walk out back with Pop's he points to the ugly one and Penny walks it out of the pasture talking nice to it to the barn, WHOPP'S it between the eyes with a BIG Ballpeen we hook it up and hoist it off the ground and ???? The rest is pretty ugly. I have notice a difference in Fat color, Corn fed has yellow fat Grass is white, cooking is VASTLY !! different. If Grass fed is cooked like store bought its like eating a truck tire. IMO if done right its way better. Pop's herd is Black & Red Angus

BIG

 

[Deleted member 995608]

Casey is right about the marbling. Every ranchers has their witches brew of feed techniques. It's a constant balancing act.

Big, go buy yourself an ultrasound machine and go high tech with your herd.

 

[BIGNASTY]

This is about as High tech as I get!!!

Don't take much to retrain everyday with this.:-laf