Filters that DC DOESN'T approve of????

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Does anyone know which filters that DC Doesnt approve of? Keep hearing about them but DC reps wont say (both @ Dieselfest and Sandia - Mark frm DC). Cant find any info on this.

These would be the ones that DC could/would(??) disapprove of for warranty. They wont name names, BUT, there must be at least one brand they dont like us to use.

Would be nice ifn we could have this info.

\\BF//

ps: having problems with my lift pump and the mech that worked on it seems verry knowledgable. Asked if I had any power mods and said HE doesnt care. The Dealer will go with the mech and assist w/DC on warranty for "items". (Just good info) They had a pump in stock but the 99 and below wont fit the y2k. One on order. (19K+ in 6. 5 months)

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[This message has been edited by Ben Stair (edited 04-19-2000). ]

 

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How do you mean "not approve of"? Are you saying that they might try to deny a warranty claim on the basis of what brand filter you are using? Or are you just asking what filters they recommend?

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Chris
95 3500 CC SLT Cummins auto
TST 230hp kit, TC lockup switch, TransGo.
Isspro EGT, trans/rearend temp, boost gauges
A-Pillar Mounted
Scotty Air System, Factory Cat-Delete Pipe

 

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They might have to be careful about saying which filters they approve of or don't approve of. It could be a lawsuit by the offended manufacturer. However, I used Fram a couple of times until I saw a cutaway of a Fram versus Purolator. I splurged two measley dollars more for the Mopar filter ( a Fleetguard with a mopar paintjob) and the last couple of changes got a Purolator filter.
If you use an el cheapo filter and it comes apart and clogs the piston cooling nozzles and galls the cylinder walls and causes catastrophic engine failure, you better beleave Chrysler is going to deny warranty. Then you'll have to get the el cheapo filter manufacturer into the picture and prove that the filter caused the damage. Wix filters are the only ones I know of to have gone down that ugly path. That was years ago and the problem is said to have been corrected but my gut feeling is...

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I have been told by the diesel tech in the shop that Cummins will not stand behind an engine failure if the vehicle has been running a K&N air filter. He gets his information from DC and Cummins. I honestly do not know which entity told him this. Whoever it was seemed to be pretty serious about their statement.

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2000 3500 5spd, 4:10 posi, std cab, 4x2, Bright White, Agate, all options except leather and sport package. Dawson 24ft hauling a 1970 Dodge Dart Swinger drag car; 360cid auto; runs 10:00 in 1/4 mile. I wish my truck ran this quick! No funds to modify at this time.

 

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Hmmm...

Question: Filters DC doesn't "approve" of?

Answer: Everything but theirs!

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I bought a case of (12) Fleetguard oil filters from Cummins Northwest @ 4. 85 each, and the fuel filters were less than 20 Bucks. I figure with the cost of everything else we put in our trucks why bargain hunt on a filter, save that for the performance parts. Dooop, did I say that out loud?

 

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I thought if Cummins or Dodge were to specifically not approve of aftermarket filters they had to provide them for free??? Am I mistaken?

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WHELL, luks lik I gots an answer in dere somewher. I am using the Fleetguard for oil and havent decided on the air. Tried the Amsoil but didnt like it (hi silicone in oil reading), went back to the OEM. Would like to replace the OEM air with ????? but not a K&N. Not sure about the Scotty mod, would like to find a "paper" type that will give the same (close) air flow (HIGH) but not the oil problems. I refuse to spend 1-2hrs cleaning the filter. Would rather spend the $$'s and replace. Have looked at the Fram, not sure if it's any better than OEM. May stick with the OEM or Fleetguard. Getting time to change it, tho, so am getting serious about which one(s) to go with.

Guess we gots a pretty good discussion going, maybe we will learn more from some of the other knowledgable's that have joined in recent months.

\\BF//

[This message has been edited by Ben Stair (edited 04-20-2000). ]

 

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I use Mopar or fletguard in my rig. I firmly believe it's $$ well spent and to skimp on filters is silly. The bean counters at the job buy all brands of filters, we used to see a lot of Wix, and I remember seeing problems with them. Mostly we use Fleetguard, Donaldson, Luberfiner, Fram, very little Purolator and some OEM (like Mack and AC) brands, all seem ok, have'nt had any engine failures that pointed to poor filtration (Thank God for Racors).

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I had a problem with my 95 a few months after I bought it. This was back before I knew much about diesels. I was getting my oil changed at a lube center that featured Pennzoil. I use Delo oil but they used a Pennzoil filter. When I took the truck in for service, they told me they would not look at it because it had a non-approved oil filter on it. They made me buy one of theirs and put it on before they would look at it.

Now I change my own oil and use Fleetguard filters. If I have a problem that is a warranty issue, I have a friend that works at a Dodge dealer. He takes my truck in and gets it fixed. Had the rear end replaced under warranty after I blew it out during a test flight.

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JEFF, to put down my . 02 on your situation... . WRONG! DC, your dealer or whomever cannot specify a single filter and demand that you purchase that filter in order to comply with their warranty. That's law. I originally posted to Ben's question kind of trolling for the response that you gave because that's where I thought he was leading. The long and short is that no manufacturer can specify that a single brand maintanence part has to be used unless they provide that part to the customer at no charge. MCROSSLEY pointed this out too.
Bombardier (Canadian snowmobile, watercraft, ATV manufacturer) went through the ringer on this in 95. They came out with a new highpower watercraft motor and specified that it HAD to run Rotax (Bombardier) synthetic oil or any warranty would be voided. The next model year the wording of the stickers and manuals were changed to something like "high quality synthetic".

I don't really know if a manufacturer can specifically pick one or two types of filters that would be "not-approved" and leave the rest and still be legal. I would think that they would have to post this information prominently in the owners manual or somewhere the owner could easily access it. Not just spring it on you!




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Chris
95 3500 CC SLT Cummins auto
TST 230hp kit, TC lockup switch, TransGo.
Isspro EGT, trans/rearend temp, boost gauges
A-Pillar Mounted
Scotty Air System, Factory Cat-Delete Pipe

 

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Lets C... We all know that ifn they (mfgrs) specify specific brands they (mfgrs) have to provide free. BUT, the question remains, which filters DON'T comply with OEM specs and therefore are "NOT Approved". It could be the Penz, Wix or ???? I know the ques was non-specific, (which was the intention)to try to PROMOTE a discussion. But, the factory may have 1 or ??? brands they wont accept for warranty. Could they deny warranty if you use these, well, after other warranty problems (in other threads) I would have to say YES!(emphaticaly (sp?)). Therefore would it not be to our benefit to know ahead of time which these are? I think so, but the problem is to get DC to say which these are. Most of us probably use the DC or Fleetguard filters, then again there are owners who dont have the availability of this knowledge/parts avail and COULD (key word) use a non-approved filter. Is it air or oil, is it this brand or that brand? (Hoped a DC mech would answer this) We have new owners all the time and I for one have a friend that got one and bought the filters "off the shelf" w/o this knowledge (also did not know about the oil pressure POSSIBLY blowing out a filter made for the 99's used on a y2k).

The way I read the posts so far is there are POSSIBLY 2 filter makers that DC would not honor warranty work if used. These could be unable to withstand the diesel pressures or some other reason (not filter properly, come apart, not made for the diesel specs, etc - like the various oil specs for gas & diesel). I personnaly have not seen any spec for air filters (CH or SJ type) that would "assist" with picking the proper "SPEC'd" air filter. (you wouldn't use a SJ oil in the diesel - or would you?)

Hope this "clears-up" some of the confusion and gets us the answer(s).

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[This message has been edited by Ben Stair (edited 04-21-2000). ]

 

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BEN, I'll say it again. I don't see how they could ever legally deny a warranty claim for using an unapproved filter if they keep the names of the unapproved filter secret. that's just asking for trouble on their behalf. Look in your manual and see if it says anything about filters meeting certain criteria or something of that nature. If they want to exclude certain filters they need to be open about it.



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Chris
95 3500 CC SLT Cummins auto
TST 230hp kit, TC lockup switch, TransGo.
Isspro EGT, trans/rearend temp, boost gauges
A-Pillar Mounted
Scotty Air System, Factory Cat-Delete Pipe

 

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rrxp689, THAT'S what bothers me. Which make and style DOES NOT meet the DC OEM specs??? and no one seems to know. Is this just a "statement" to keep us worried and using the DC/Fleetguards or is there one that doesn't meet OEM specs? If there is and they keep it a "secret" than I dont see how they could deny the warranty claim if we "used" it due to our ignorance. Nothing in the manuals, and all the mfgrs boxes I've looked at say they meet OEM, soo WHO IS BLOWING SMOKE UP WHOOS ***????

inquiring minds need to know!

SOTSU!
\\BF//