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I currently have Timbrens on my truck and have pretty happy with them, however on our trip south I hit some pretty rough roads and am considering switching to air bags. I have a couple of questions before doing it that perhaps some with more experience can answer.
Will it improve the ride when towing?
Will installing a compressor be worth the extra work/expense?
Hopefully some of you have had experience with both Timbrens and air bags.
Thanks,
Don
 
I have the Air Lift bags and yes they improve the ride when towing. I have on board air which I have not had for years so I always left the bags where I set them with the 5ver attached when I arrived at the destination. That action was pretty bumpy with out the 5ver attached. I would recommend on board air just for the convenience of inflating or deflating when you want to.

Dave
 
I use the onboard air to adjust both the ride and the rear end height when loaded with the fifth wheel. I have a pressure gauge that's part of the on board air package. It shows an increase from the minimum 5 pounds to about 20 when the RV is connected. On my old truck without the compressor package, I just added air when hooking up the RV and reducing it to 5# when solo. More convenient now.
 
I have Firestones with single air lines from each. 10lbs in each with the 5ver on there and its good. I drop them down to 8ish when empty. No compressor, just old fashioned air.
 
Get the compressor if you go with the bags. I have not tried the timbrens, but have always had bags. If you are a handy man, I'd suggest that you add ping tanks to the bags, they do help the ride. I have not yet loaded mine up yet since I've only had them on the new truck for about two weeks now, but I can say this much, in playing around with them I had them at 60 psi with no load on the truck and it wasn't all that bad considering. If I did this on any of my previous trucks, I may as well welded the rear axle to the frame for what the ride was like, so the ping tanks do help. They are not much extra cost, I used a 2 1/2 gal tanks for each bag. Do a search on "ping tank" and you will find them. they have also been mentioned and shown twice in the last four or so issues of the magazine. You won't be disappointed if you go with bags and the compressor so you can quickly adjust for changing loads when you hook up and unhook. At the 5 psi minimum you don't even know they are there.
 
Here's some pictures.

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I appreciate the replays, but have any of you used Timbrens before you put air bags on your truck? I would like someone that has experience with both if possible.
Thanks,
Don
 
Don, I had Timbrens on my '96 dually and it was a hard ride when unloaded. Did not get to test them with the truck camper. With the 2011 dually, I installed Hellwig airbags with the AirLift wireless compressor setup. I like the compressor setup because you can adjust pressure on the go and you can adjust ride height of either side. I like the wireless controller because I didn't have to plumb airlines into the cab.
Joe
 
Timbrens are not going to improve your ride (as new shocks would provide) because they are really just a heavy duty bumpstop, they will stop excessive sagging and side to side sway that a heavy camper or snow plow will amplify.

I have Firestone airbags with individual air lines, primitive but it works. I would definitely add on board air for the convenience should I do over. The airbags do provide a smoother ride while towing if you get the air pressure correct, that's another reason an on board air compressor would be beneficial.
 
I have PacBrake air bags with on board air. Air horns and in cab controls. Also changed to Bilstien 4600's. I also have a TrailAir Air bag pin box.

My pin weight is 4,500#. I run 30# with the RV attached and 5# solo. Did not need the bags the truck rode level with the load.

The ride improved greatly towing with the bags and Bilstiens.
 
I appreciate the replays, but have any of you used Timbrens before you put air bags on your truck? I would like someone that has experience with both if possible.
Thanks,
Don

My '97 has Timbrens, I hate them. I have been going to remove them for the last couple of years but don't seem to get around to it.

If you have a constant load such as a service body they would be the greatest thing in the world. But if you run both empty and loaded not so much.

I have 10 cement blocks in the body directly over the axle to keep the timbrens touching. Without the added weight of the cement it will just about snap your back if you hit a bump while empty. As soon as the Timbrens make contact on the downstroke you know all about it.

Mike.
 
My "Air Lift" Load Controller bags add 10# load capacity / PSIG Inflation / Bag; 5 psig min.; has built-in solid rubber overtravel stops. NOTE: This mounts directly between frame & axle tube housing, an appropriate setup, thus avoiding cantilevered brackets. With Std. Level II Load Controller (compressor & dash mounted single regulator control & pressure gauge) # 25592. Purchased mid 2009; I finally installed 6-12-2010.

My cousin [stubborn mule] had Timbrens & it rode like a Military 2.5T truck---almost quit RV'g---took me 2 years to convince him to ADD air bags & leave the Timbrens as a "emergency backup" equipment. He liked that idea!

I bought the inexpensive compressor & mounted it "temporarily" on floor behind my seat. Not in anyone's way, out of the weather & only 'noisy' 6 times a year when it's needed. Ride quality - well it's for load, not to soften bad roads and thusly gives the shocks a real work out, 'cause it does not damp the vertical travel. In other words it's 'bouncy'. I prefer having them rather than not.

After adding a .499" thick leaf to my secondary pack for load support some years prior, then installing [easy] the air bags, I now have come to the conclusion [learn too much too late] that a preferred engineering approach would have been to install [didn't know it existed before this] a new spring pack with 12 thin elipptical leaves. Yea, that would have been the ticket, but $1,000+ I did not have, and can no longer justify. Funny to think about it, but with air bags & my custom suspension leaf modification, I could probably haul 5,000# before showing any sag! LOL
 
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